CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
So what has Steam done to rectify this?
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DF: Orbis vs Durango Spec Analysis
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So what has Steam done to rectify this?
Selling is completely different than using.
New Terms of Use, sadly.
So tell me, are CD-Keys useless in Europe then?
Yes
Even in the US where PC software licenses are given some legal backing they usually specifically exclude physical media made for video game consoles. For example, in the US it is illegal to rent out PC software but the copyright law that made that the law of the land specifically excluded video game media from being covered. The Supreme Court has never really made a good determination on the limits of the First Sale Doctrine as it applies to physical game console media (or even digital media for that matter) and there are solid arguments on both sides. I really believe that if a console manufacturer tries to block the use of used games or even mandates unlock keys to be bought there will be lots of lawsuits.
Yes you are right but if you sell game you can include all in it including your activation license (if it will be used by MS). If MS doesn't allow selling license which tied user to game then it will go to court same as DD example.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Afaik nothing yet. That's why they got sued recently. And such things have the potential to get ugly.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Not really.
Since I am developing on different devices I can see why MS chose a different architecture. The age of traditional consoles is coming to an end (and yeah, some of you do not agree) and consoles will need to be more than just game machines. People will expect a lot more the next 5-10 years from their console.
And yes I do develop a lot on MS (PC included) and Apple hardware and not on Sony. That already makes me biased according to some. But I understand the Durano choice... unlike some others who seem to stare blindly at bandwidth comparisons and "uber graphics". And this is all based on leaks... for all we know it might all be rubbish.
If I want that, I will play on my PC
Shouldn't the manufacturer be able to limit the number of activations anyway? (Limit to one)
Tripp Daily
Member
The problems leading to the lack of sales for the Wii U (in my opinion) have to deal with lack of identity and lack of games that set it apart. Journalist have gone on record to say that the Wii U controller does add to gaming experiences in a positive way. I think Nintendo needs to do a much better job with marketing because when the 1st party IPs start rolling out the console will sell better.
Correlating one variable, such as innovation, to the success or failure of a product is a horrible practice and an even dumber argument.
activation limit still doesn't have anything to do with license. Activation limits are constructed in such a way that they can't stop you permanently from using software. For example if you have 5 activations they need to provide you option to reset those activations.
If you sell license then you are selling your activation limit and option to reset it.
Not really.
Since I am developing on different devices I can see why MS chose a different architecture. The age of traditional consoles is coming to an end (and yeah, some of you do not agree) and consoles will need to be more than just game machines. People will expect a lot more the next 5-10 years from their console.
And yes I do develop a lot on MS (PC included) and Apple hardware and not on Sony. That already makes me biased according to some. But I understand the Durano choice... unlike some others who seem to stare blindly at bandwidth comparisons and "uber graphics". And this is all based on leaks... for all we know it might all be rubbish.
If I want that, I will play on my PC
So basically what you're saying is; you want a console that doesn't play games?
Tripp Daily
Member
Not really.
Since I am developing on different devices I can see why MS chose a different architecture. The age of traditional consoles is coming to an end (and yeah, some of you do not agree) and consoles will need to be more than just game machines. People will expect a lot more the next 5-10 years from their console.
And yes I do develop a lot on MS (PC included) and Apple hardware and not on Sony. That already makes me biased according to some. But I understand the Durano choice... unlike some others who seem to stare blindly at bandwidth comparisons and "uber graphics". And this is all based on leaks... for all we know it might all be rubbish.
If I want that, I will play on my PC
There are some "gamers" that want only what they are comfortable with and nothing more. They fail to see the bigger picture and what innovation in the hardware space can do for future of gaming and media.
Nothing there states that MS have to allow there machines to play software that was pre-owned, just that people can sell the software.
If that legislation was the case PC devs / publishers would have been sued to fuck already.
And your email account / Steam account / Origin account tied to the key?
There is no resale market for pc games in stores, it's been that way for well over a decade at least.
Not really.
Since I am developing on different devices I can see why MS chose a different architecture. The age of traditional consoles is coming to an end (and yeah, some of you do not agree) and consoles will need to be more than just game machines. People will expect a lot more the next 5-10 years from their console.
And yes I do develop a lot on MS (PC included) and Apple hardware and not on Sony. That already makes me biased according to some. But I understand the Durano choice... unlike some others who seem to stare blindly at bandwidth comparisons and "uber graphics". And this is all based on leaks... for all we know it might all be rubbish.
If I want that, I will play on my PC
Consoles are already more than game machines, have been since 2005.
Also why limit having good visuals to the PC?
Smells of bias and nonsense.
Later in the judgment it says that the copyright holder has to allow subsequent owners of the license to use the software:
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf
It's recent legislation and they are being sued (Steam).
How do you differentiate when someone claims that you "sold" your license to them, but then you dispute saying "I never sold my license to them"?Especially since a majority of the used-game market occurs in non-traceable forms?
They really haven't fully fleshed this out yet. This is still all very recent.
Not really.
Since I am developing on different devices I can see why MS chose a different architecture. The age of traditional consoles is coming to an end (and yeah, some of you do not agree) and consoles will need to be more than just game machines. People will expect a lot more the next 5-10 years from their console.
And yes I do develop a lot on MS (PC included) and Apple hardware and not on Sony. That already makes me biased according to some. But I understand the Durano choice... unlike some others who seem to stare blindly at bandwidth comparisons and "uber graphics". And this is all based on leaks... for all we know it might all be rubbish.
If I want that, I will play on my PC
not sure what is that supposed to mean at all... what are you going to be developing on Durango thats not going to be possible on PS4?
Please explain to us mere mortals whats going on.
phosphor112
Banned
You mean have been since 1994? (PS1 played CD's)
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
bias? nah.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47345274&postcount=138
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47463525&postcount=744
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47920010&postcount=13230
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47173868&postcount=396
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47335118&postcount=4159
xbox is thinking outside the box, but people get excited for a share function on ps4? most useless feature ever though. you can always count on nemesisprime to give you some good comments on a particular kind of thread.
That's right.
lol, nice job.
With his Kirby avatar is this poster possibly a Nintendo fanboy with too much salt?
phosphor112
Banned
That 1 extra display plane is special sauce, mang.
I tried to think of something farther back, but I can't. I honestly think CD is one of the reasons why Sony did so well. They pushed more than just games, they pushed technology too.
Megadragon15
Member
If you want to bring up the PS1, then the Turbografx-CD, introduced in 1990, would count way before that.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
You might want to read this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513926 specifically the third point.
Not relevant, also backseat modding is a no no as well is it not?
phosphor112
Banned
I don't recall it playing music though. That's my point. If it did, I was too young to notice (I was barely born when it came out).
Megadragon15
Member
It did play music CDs. So did the Sega-CD, Philips CD-i, 3DO, Jaguar CD, Amiga CD-32, and Memorex VIS. They all played music CDs long before the PS1 ever came out.
phosphor112
Banned
Well then, there we go.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
yeah, i'm attacking his position. i didn't reply "you're a moron", i replied with evidence, not personal comments.
Not really.
Since I am developing on different devices I can see why MS chose a different architecture. The age of traditional consoles is coming to an end (and yeah, some of you do not agree) and consoles will need to be more than just game machines. People will expect a lot more the next 5-10 years from their console.
And yes I do develop a lot on MS (PC included) and Apple hardware and not on Sony. That already makes me biased according to some. But I understand the Durano choice... unlike some others who seem to stare blindly at bandwidth comparisons and "uber graphics". And this is all based on leaks... for all we know it might all be rubbish.
If I want that, I will play on my PC
but couldn't the same be said about the Xbox 3's OS features?
phosphor112
Banned
Lol. He got called out.
And never came back.
lol, I called him out right when he said "Durango - the real next-gen console"
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47923986&postcount=1694
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47923986&postcount=1694
phosphor112
Banned
I don't even get it... If he's going by which came first... it's Wii U...
If it's going by power... it's Orbis...
http://www.techpowerup.com/180394/A...he-Fight-to-Atom-with-AVX-SSE4-Quad-Core.html
Some interesting new details about the Jaguar CPU
4x200Gflops = 0.8TFlops
Both consoles have 2 arrays of jaguar cores so 1.6 Tflops?
Some interesting new details about the Jaguar CPU
4x200Gflops = 0.8TFlops
Both consoles have 2 arrays of jaguar cores so 1.6 Tflops?
SneakyStephan
Banned
Can't wait for some y2kev justice being handed out to all these insiders passing off their 'sources' and 'insider information' as legit and as the law.
pharmboy044
Member
Doesn't the Titan a $1000 card only have 6GB of GDDR5 of RAM?
The PS4 is going to cost an arm and a leg when it comes out.
The PS4 is going to cost an arm and a leg when it comes out.
Not impossible, it just didn't make a lot of sense, at least at first glance. Although it's probably the only spec that could be easily bumped without wider changes in the project, which kinda explains it.
I still think 4gb would be perfectly fine and there's a lot of diminishing returns from going to 4 to 8gb, unless the non-gaming features they showed increased the expected OS overhead. (instant saving, suspend, etc, certainly point into that direction)
Well after the reveal of the 8GB GDDR5 on PS4 I think everything is possible considering Durango regardless of what leaks and insiders said.
I doubt there is a single person here that believed from the beginning of the rumors that 8GD GDDR5 was possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if MS somehow bumped their specs. I mean I actually hope they do. Shit is beginning to look very bleak to then tech wise (outside Kinect bullshit).
I doubt there is a single person here that believed from the beginning of the rumors that 8GD GDDR5 was possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if MS somehow bumped their specs. I mean I actually hope they do. Shit is beginning to look very bleak to then tech wise (outside Kinect bullshit).
If only that wasn't a massively high markup card with the majority of the actual costs being in the GPU, not the memory.
I look forward to DF looking at the specs now that more is known as certainty.
Are you a mod? No?
Then let then do their job. If they deem fit to punish someone they will do it.
I hate people lobbying for bans. Half the people asking him to go down were hugging his nuts for new info just a couple days ago.
If he wasn't outright lying I see no reason to punish him or any other leaker/insider. He provided valuable even if outdated info. If you visited the old Jeff Rigby threads you know this.
Hell more than half of the gaming "journalists" were equivocated on some details as well. Are we banning all those sites too?
This bump in RAM seems to be pretty recent.
BradleyLove
Member
SneakyStephan isn't just a clever name huh. Been quite the week for you what with calling someone a paedo and now asking for folks to be banned.
For all anyone knows, the 8GB decision might have only been made in the last week but at least Thuway has been contributing positively to this thread...
it wasn't in the last week that's for sure.
he dev kits have either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM. Deduce from that what you will.
We have confirmed with sources that recently leaked tech specs are accurate. Though Durango devkits offer 8GB of DDR3 RAM, compared to Orbiss 4GB, Sonys GDDR5 solution is capable of moving data at 176 gigabytes per second, which should eliminate the sort of bottlenecks that hampered PS3 game performance. Importantly, weve learned that Sony has told developers that it is pushing for the final PS4 RAM to match up to Microsofts 8GB.
Kotaku(Jan23): Have official Orbis docs; Devkit: PS4- 8GBRAM,2.2GBVRAM, Controller
so many signs but they all went ignored because of people holding on to old inside info & not believing it could happen.