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Digital Foundry: PS4K / Neo spec leak is genuine, dev kits on their way to devs
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xaeroxcore
Banned
Hahahahahaha
Jawbreaker
Member
I think most of the anger is because Sony's first party has taken a while to really get going, and all the heavy hitters will mostly be releasing this year and next. The feeling of being "cheated" is likely there because they would have been fine holding out on the revision if they knew it was happening given that it's releasing around the time when the generation is really in full swing. I can empathize, but I'm not angry about it. My PS4 will still work fine, and I can choose if I want the revision or just wait it out until the PS5 is released. Chances are all my PS4 titles will work on the PS5 as well with performance/visual boosts, so I don't care.
xaeroxcore
Banned
Time will tell...Probably not, but nothing is written on stone about this industry.
I've ordered the Blu-Ray off Amazon, lmao
But only the first one, not really fond of the other 2 :/
Jawbreaker
Member
You could also theoretically win the lottery tomorrow.
no, expect this thing to be $399 AT LEAST
Jawbreaker
Member
I'd expect at least a $100 difference, whatever the price of the OG PS4 may be at the time.
When this comes out, I expect a pretty major cut on the OG PS4
This new hardware doesn't seem to be really well thought out by Sony. Looking at the upgraded specs it seems barely enough to be running games in 4K and if it does they will probably run in 30fps so it could be a little underpowered. Also the Blu-ray drive not getting an upgrade to support 4K Blu-rays? This has to be a joke? What a massive oversight if true. If they don't bother to upgrade the Wi-Fi card to AC standard this will be a definite no buy for me.
I have to say this generation Sony has been really slack with their hardware (excluding the RAM side of things). The Ps4 imo is a very cheaply designed and feeling system and don't even get me started on the garbage controller quality. Seems to be too many shortcuts being taken. I'm pretty disappointed as they are one of my most reliable brands.
I have to say this generation Sony has been really slack with their hardware (excluding the RAM side of things). The Ps4 imo is a very cheaply designed and feeling system and don't even get me started on the garbage controller quality. Seems to be too many shortcuts being taken. I'm pretty disappointed as they are one of my most reliable brands.
chromatic9
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R9 380x 2048
Ploaris 2304
R9 290 2560
Please bear in mind, techpowerup have max settings on. Usually console is medium to high, different LOD and also save a few frames with custom AF.
Not saying all games will be 4k, just that it could be feasible and these games aren't Tetris or some "indie rubbish". Maybe 1440, 2880x1620 or whatever, world's your oyster. I can often do 2880x1620 and 3200x1800 with higher than console settings on my 970 and capping to 30fps. AC Unity is at max settings HBAO FXAA at 2880x1620 or slightly above capped at 30fps. Should look good on a 4k mon.
Gran Turismo for example has had some weird resolutions 1080i on PS2. GT51280x1080. GT6 1440x1080. Can totally see Kaz doing some crazy res with upscale to get it looking nicer.
Ploaris 2304
R9 290 2560
Please bear in mind, techpowerup have max settings on. Usually console is medium to high, different LOD and also save a few frames with custom AF.
Not saying all games will be 4k, just that it could be feasible and these games aren't Tetris or some "indie rubbish". Maybe 1440, 2880x1620 or whatever, world's your oyster. I can often do 2880x1620 and 3200x1800 with higher than console settings on my 970 and capping to 30fps. AC Unity is at max settings HBAO FXAA at 2880x1620 or slightly above capped at 30fps. Should look good on a 4k mon.
Gran Turismo for example has had some weird resolutions 1080i on PS2. GT51280x1080. GT6 1440x1080. Can totally see Kaz doing some crazy res with upscale to get it looking nicer.
sunshine and gasoline
Banned
That is pretty damn unlikely given the new gpu and whatever else they are using.
Dreams-Visions
Member
It's very realistic that games can do 4K as long as the devs aren't trying to turn on new filtering and effects. Take the same game on PS4 and give it access to 4K resolution and/or 60fps and done.
I don't think a single developer will over-complicate things or focus on the 4K version as their primary version of any PS4 game this generation. The market will always be smaller and I don't think the motivation to do so will be very strong.
This is the most preposterous shit...
Ugh. Okay. I said it in the NPD thread, I'm going to make a retail based thread regarding the perspective of how this is viewed.
Your response here is ridiculous, overblown, and silly. You're free to not have any interest in purchasing a "neo", if you have no intentions of doing so, but this in no way will be doing any of what you're implying. They've specifically designed this to not split its user base, to make sure that all games will continue to be developed as the existing hardware, and you're the one taking this personally. The people excited, or interested in this as an option, are just being pretty normal consumers. You're making this an emotional investment, which is insane.
No one should ban you for having an opinion, but all I'm saying is calm the hell down and re-read your statements, because you're making *statements* that are factually false. The published information we have about this hardware outright contradicts almost everything you've stated about it, and it's ridiculous.
Ugh! The levels of inanity I've been reading today are incredible.
chromatic9
Member
The only odd thing is while this GPU is a good bump and can do high resolutions 1620p 1800p and even 2160p, it's just about doing it.
What if MS a year or two later have a chip from AMD that can do this properly. Do Sony bring out another so they aren't bested by MS at doing 4k or roundabout 4k.
Anyway, seems Sony want to hit the 4k content higher res + upscale and no doubt offer 4k AA games, patch older games to have the 4k novelty.
I must also say, gaming at 4k is a delight. 4K movies though, I'm good with a decent 1080p bitrate. I could see why Sony might want to hit this for gaming and also keep in check with the Oculus and Vive spec.
What if MS a year or two later have a chip from AMD that can do this properly. Do Sony bring out another so they aren't bested by MS at doing 4k or roundabout 4k.
Anyway, seems Sony want to hit the 4k content higher res + upscale and no doubt offer 4k AA games, patch older games to have the 4k novelty.
I must also say, gaming at 4k is a delight. 4K movies though, I'm good with a decent 1080p bitrate. I could see why Sony might want to hit this for gaming and also keep in check with the Oculus and Vive spec.
512MB worth of memory that was previously part of the reserve for the OS is now going to be available for games to use.
My guess is there's another pool for storing the share video buffer, freeing up some main memory.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
It's hard to tell the tongue-in-cheek posts apart from the genuine meltdowns.
LOL - this is great.
I think the question is why doesn't the regular PS4 also get the reclaimed memory?
Gunslinger
Member
Unless they have a real good trade deal i don't see people switching from ps4 vanilla to ps4k that quickly. I also predict this will cost around 500 dollars.
I think at $399 where most leaks peg it at - it's solid. At $500 - there's a good chance it's DOA.
I don't think we'll ever see a $500 console again (from any of the hardware makers).
xaeroxcore
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i´m not being emotional. The solution is simple, sell the PS4 and buy another system. But it sucks that they put you on it. But as somebody said, it´s not the end of the world. Things like that happens. I´m not arguing anymore.
FalsettoVibe
Member
I think that people need to keep in mind that the majority of gamers don't think like GAF. Everyone does not feel like they have to have the definitive version of the game. As long as the average Joe can play all games and they don't look like total crap, they are fine.
If that's the case, then it's a very poorly worded question. LOL.
For some people I think it comes down to either feeling forced to upgrade which is insane. If you are content with what you have now you don't need to upgrade. I also think people can't deal with the fact that some people will be playing a game with minor upgrades.
It's the only thing I can think as to why someone would feel "cheated"
The fact that you deny being emotional, but don't bother to actually defend how everything else you stated was incorrect just demonstrates that you don't have a leg to stand on. You're making irrational statements that have no basis, and are again, saying that you'll just sell your PS4 for... whatever reason.
It's silly, but, as you said, it's not the end of the world. You're just being irrational.
xaosslug
Member
honestly, tho. You should have waited until it was officially announced, first... ;P
dr_rus
Member
That'd be available on the old PS4 as well, wouldn't it?
That's highly unlikely as it will make the whole system much more complex (read: expensive to produce) for what is a rather small win.
Yup. A few "casuals" I talked to who go to IGN and basically brought up the whole ps4.5 topic and wanted some clarification from me cause they know I keep up with the details. Once I told them that all games will continue to be made for ps4, they were like "oh okay, that's cool, I'm probably not going to get it and save my money for ps5"
They didn't care that ps4.5 would have better versions of the games they play on their system, and they felt no "need" or "obligation" to buy the system just because of better framerate or better graphics. It would be a completely different story if ps4neo exclusive games started getting made though.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Whats more interesting to me than the NeoPS4 having better graphical ability is the opportunities having such a level of power opens up.
-Virtual desktops and gamespaces in VR (This I really want to see)
-Previously non-3d titles available in 3D and maybe VR
-Better Second Screen, maybe with an always accessible home page on your secondary device or ability to play Vita/PS1/Screen mirroring while someone is playing PS4.
-Picture in Picture
-Virtual desktops and gamespaces in VR (This I really want to see)
-Previously non-3d titles available in 3D and maybe VR
-Better Second Screen, maybe with an always accessible home page on your secondary device or ability to play Vita/PS1/Screen mirroring while someone is playing PS4.
-Picture in Picture
Should be. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony officially gives devs the go ahead/access to use the extra 512mb on baseps4s as well. They already increased the allotment once before.
Yep. Devs aren't allowed to have neo exclusives so they have to maintain parity with the discs they press. Neo will difinitely support all varieties of anticipated 4K blue ray disc layers. It's one of the biggest upsides for Sony.
jediyoshi
Member
Dear Journal,
Or a secondary GPU/DPU with embedded memory
xaeroxcore
Banned
I just don´t want to lose more time winning or losing discussions over the Internet with people who probably i won´t know in my real life...I already lost several minutes today. I can defend my statement if i want, and whatever the hell you say is not gonna change that the way i think. But the same applies for you and the people who thinks like you here...what ever i, or the people against the ps4k, state are not going to change your mind...so is a futile arguing. You say i´m being irrational, but i find more "irrationalism" in qualify as "shit" what others people say, and insulting them in denial for not thinking in the same way as you are. You should start for respecting, you know?
dr_rus
Member
Then why is it given like an advantage of PS4K? Makes no sense.
today I read about the ps4 NEO. A guy from Kotaku, made a post in neo gaf quoting all the times que was "right" defending the fidelity and credibility of his work. He is telling us (Gaf) that he always was right and legit as one can only dream of. Also I think he made a steal brag post, but that just me. I think game journalism is zero bias and the ones who make it, are super chill, profesionalices and do not make rants and bitch about when people criticize the sites they work at.
RickyRozay
Member
I'm guessing sony will want most of their exclusive titles to be patched.
Since that was made in collaboration with Sony I expect it to get Neo-patched. Maybe as part of a PR cycle for BB2.
With the weak CPU, it may still have the framepacing problem.
Framepacing isn't a hardware issue.
Maybe because at this current point in time, they haven't made the RAM bump official for the basePS4s yet?
Yep. I might actually buy this down the line as a second back up PS4, or use my old PS4 as a back up...in the end this is just a revision like last gen except with performance upgrades, its not replacing PS5 IMO.
But what it does mean now is that they can punt PS5 for a few more years than they otherwise would have.