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EDGE: DRM-free PS4 is a PR play expect similar policies across both consoles.
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Jake Tower
Banned
But if a majority of publishers do so then it is de facto system wide DRM.
More reason for me to wait and see.
what?
Why does whoever is responsible for the DRM matter
this ''the PS4's DRM is not as bad because sony dont imply it''
does not make sense if the end user gets the same result its just as bad.
why do you even care who imposes DRM in the first place?
The bad thing is that, its there ,regardless of who imposes it.
Oppo
Member
I don't hate my PC because SimCity sucked. I blame EA.
BruiserBear
Banned
I've got two things for people to chew on regarding the press and their general view on things regarding Sony.
Giantbomb's Ryan Davis tweeted this right before Sony's press conference.
Why would someone ever say that?
And then Sessler's summary of Sony's press conference, after the bomb was dropped on Microsoft. He literally suggests that people view the PS4 as costing $460 now that Sony is charging for online play, and then suggests that might put the consoles prices a lot closer together if Microsoft makes Xbox Live Gold FREE. lolz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=POEr--Fph04#t=189s
Draw your own conclusions here folks. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.
Giantbomb's Ryan Davis tweeted this right before Sony's press conference.
Why would someone ever say that?
And then Sessler's summary of Sony's press conference, after the bomb was dropped on Microsoft. He literally suggests that people view the PS4 as costing $460 now that Sony is charging for online play, and then suggests that might put the consoles prices a lot closer together if Microsoft makes Xbox Live Gold FREE. lolz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=POEr--Fph04#t=189s
Draw your own conclusions here folks. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.
Its about being similar, not the exact same.
HappyHunting
Neo Member
I'm going to quote this again because people can't read.
That is very true. I recently got Asura's Wrath for $17 from Amazon.
I am actually one of those people who buys new games 99% of the time, and I only sold one game this gen used, and I hate changing discs, and my wifi is pretty reliable. So the MS policy of being able to install my disc based games and play it without the disc in the drive is actually really appealing. Where they fucked up is not allowing the people who are worried about internet access to play their single player games offline with the disc in the drive as DRM.
flatearthpandas
Member
As you said, sir, Bingo!
I give PS4 a year from launch until a 3rd party single player campaign is locked behind a paywall.
Even if Sony is so adamant about their policies that they would not allow Madden 15 on the system if EA tried to lock the full game, all they have to do is integrate online connectivity into single player mode enough that they can claim it won't function without it.
We'll see, of course, but I expect this scenario. Not just on PS4, but PC and Wii U (assuming a Wii U version even gets made) as well.
BossLackey
Gold Member
Exactly. If they change their policy drastically, or something comes to light that Sony didn't tell us but they "weren't technically lying", then they're gonna be in a heap of shit. I really hope that isn't the case.
Cow Mengde
Banned
It's just a way of shifting blame to someone else. They can point fingers at someone else.
Duane Cunningham
Member
If every 3rd party game on the PS4 does that, then yeah, I guess we have a problem, but that doesn't happen even on PC. The occasional DRM quagmire like Sim City or Diablo 3 comes along and gets lambasted and shunned. Plus, if big publishers WERE going to try to pull some nonsense on consoles, there was nothing stopping them on PS3 and 360.
I sure do.
It doesn't affect how I see the price of the Xbox One console, but it does affect how soon I will buy a PS4.
Anyways, this whole effort to devalue what EDGE is saying by arguing that people are just biased or whatever is a bit annoying, and is probably rooted in quite a bit of bias in and of itself.
drkOne
Member
They could. It's possible. I don't know how Sony would feel about it though.
Some sort of cd-key system with an online activation is the easiest way to tie a game to a PSN account.
It doesn't even need Sony technology or support. Just look at DRM on PC, publishers can accomplish all of that on consoles, easily.
BruiserBear
Banned
They've wanted Sony to charge for online play for years now, and they finally got their wish. Now the new wish will be Sony implementing draconian DRM.
It's a weird thing to watch. Kinda creepy really.
THEN DON'T BUY THE GOD DAMNED GAME.
It's complicated, NOT giving somebody your money.
The edge article is completely disingenous.
It works the same way as it does now.
Publishers wanted so bad for consoles to take the heat for DRM because they know that when they do it they get ravaged online. Sony isn't going to take the hate and will put all the DRM systems on publishers. I would just love to see EA try and bring back an online pass for ps4 users. Not gonna happen. Ps4 will be DRM free and MS users will regret convincing themselves otherwise.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Sometimes people need a coping mechanism.
HappyHunting
Neo Member
The effort to devalue is based on them not using any actual facts. We even have someone here who spoke to them weeks prior with the same information Sony went live with.
Keep up the fight, friend.
Lol, people who say stuff like this, seem like there the ones who care about ''the fight''
because if they didnt, why say it?
Because I am not being forced to buy EA or Ubisoft's latest AAA game. If I don't want DRM that forces online checks, or prevents me from reselling the game, I can skip those titles, and play something from Sony's first party, or a small publisher who won't bother. At least there is a choice. As it stands now, Microsoft is forcing their policy on every game to come to the system.
demosthenes
Member
I've got two things for people to chew on regarding the press and their general view on things regarding Sony.
Giantbomb's Ryan Davis tweeted this right before Sony's press conference.
Why would someone ever say that?
And then Sessler's summary of Sony's press conference, after the bomb was dropped on Microsoft. He literally suggests that people view the PS4 as costing $460 now that Sony is charging for online play, and then suggests that might put the consoles prices a lot closer together if Microsoft makes Xbox Live Gold FREE. lolz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=POEr--Fph04#t=189s
Draw your own conclusions here folks. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.
Good GOD. What the hell is wrong with people.
BruiserBear
Banned
You're missing the entire point of my post. Sessler suggested Microsoft might stop charging for Gold accounts. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to suggest that, especially suggesting that might bring the prices of these consoles closer together. He might as well suggest monkey's could fly from his ass the next day.
And oh boy was it a funny one.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Read this, please. Do you understand now? If not what are your concerns or questions? Do you see how this differs from the Xbox One?
Because he enjoys schadenfreude? The response to bad news is inevitably going to be much more entertaining.
Given that Live is also priced at $60 a year you should view Xbone as costing $560. In that case the same $100 price difference applies. (It'd actually be $110, since Plus' MSRP is $50, not $60.) Sony has a significant price advantage no matter how you look at it.
Elaugaufein
Member
Sony absolutely can control if publisher's use custom DRM or forced online checks on their system. You have to go through Sony Certification to get your game on their system. If Sony makes it a policy not to allow that, then that will not be allowed.
Would Sony do that ? Perhaps. Platform Fragmentation will not do your sales any favors. The last thing you want is people being cautions on discretionary spending like games, if they think hard about it they might decide they don't really need to play at all. There's also the matter that if you're going to make your console as hard to navigate as a PC , which essentially owns you in capability right now and will own you harder before the generation ends then people will move to PC. Sony cannot afford that, theres's no way they are making much of a profit on the PS4 console sales and they need to be selling games to get their cut.
Likewise it would not surprise me if Sony has built online restrictions and region locking into their system, and publisher's can choose to opt-in. I'm fairly confident that they'll still allow region locking, after that youtube video I'm less certain they are going to allow forced online checks. I'm not sure if Publishers would want to opt in either, the PS4 core audience just made their opinion pretty clear and this is actually a good opportunity to run an experiment and see what kind of Price Point will attract people to 24-hour check ins / region locking vs how much you can get from someone without that.
I also find it unlikely they'll do forced online checks for digital content beyond the initial activation for the PS3. Sony will be just as happy as Microsoft to move to all Digital when it can be supported so the last thing they want to do is train buyers to prefer discs for convenience. It just doesn't make long game sense.
Would Sony do that ? Perhaps. Platform Fragmentation will not do your sales any favors. The last thing you want is people being cautions on discretionary spending like games, if they think hard about it they might decide they don't really need to play at all. There's also the matter that if you're going to make your console as hard to navigate as a PC , which essentially owns you in capability right now and will own you harder before the generation ends then people will move to PC. Sony cannot afford that, theres's no way they are making much of a profit on the PS4 console sales and they need to be selling games to get their cut.
Likewise it would not surprise me if Sony has built online restrictions and region locking into their system, and publisher's can choose to opt-in. I'm fairly confident that they'll still allow region locking, after that youtube video I'm less certain they are going to allow forced online checks. I'm not sure if Publishers would want to opt in either, the PS4 core audience just made their opinion pretty clear and this is actually a good opportunity to run an experiment and see what kind of Price Point will attract people to 24-hour check ins / region locking vs how much you can get from someone without that.
I also find it unlikely they'll do forced online checks for digital content beyond the initial activation for the PS3. Sony will be just as happy as Microsoft to move to all Digital when it can be supported so the last thing they want to do is train buyers to prefer discs for convenience. It just doesn't make long game sense.
Sony made it clear that they wont have a system-wide drm lockout.. but left room for other publishers to make a choice....honestly if you think Microsoft is the only one with DRM this generation your mistaken
You really think if Activision wants to put some sort of 2nd copy DRM into Call of Duty that Sony would say no
You really think if Activision wants to put some sort of 2nd copy DRM into Call of Duty that Sony would say no
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
yeah, the publishers aren't losing their shit and getting upset about it. so they're thinking "well SOMEONE needs to be outraged!".
Haha WOOOOOOW. This is just FUD.
Sorry people, but Sony was as clear as ever during their conference. Things are NOT changing from how things currently are with the PS3. You already know what their stance is if you have a PS3. End of story.
Stop trying to create drama when there really isn't any.
Sorry people, but Sony was as clear as ever during their conference. Things are NOT changing from how things currently are with the PS3. You already know what their stance is if you have a PS3. End of story.
Stop trying to create drama when there really isn't any.
dreamer3kx
Member
Why would Ryan Davis tweet that, I know GB are xbox guys but wtf is that?
Sessler speculating about something isn't quite the same as EDGE reporting on what they've been told by insiders.
Why on earth did somone not bring this up earlier?
This is confirmation that EDGE are full of it.
unless
is he capable?
Nikodemos
Member
Actually it's kinda complicated, what with the massve societal pressure on being a good little consumer.
Felix Lighter
Member
If in the end, if the end DRM result becomes comparable to the Xbox One on PS4, the backlash would be possibly worse than what MS is dealing with right now. I don't see Sony setting themselves up like that by being so crystal clear with their policies just for some early buzz. They have discussed just about every scenario.
Online MP could be limited or restricted by the publisher if they choose to implement their own system but they have no way to limit single player. The exact same situation as current gen. The only way for the end result to be equivalent is for all publishers to focus 100% on always online games. Sure, it's a possibility and I'm sure they will become more prevalent anyway but in that situation, there's little any platform holder could do if 3rd parties want to control every aspect of their games on their own servers. Sony reaffirmed the status quo which is what we wanted and pretty much all we could ask for.
Online MP could be limited or restricted by the publisher if they choose to implement their own system but they have no way to limit single player. The exact same situation as current gen. The only way for the end result to be equivalent is for all publishers to focus 100% on always online games. Sure, it's a possibility and I'm sure they will become more prevalent anyway but in that situation, there's little any platform holder could do if 3rd parties want to control every aspect of their games on their own servers. Sony reaffirmed the status quo which is what we wanted and pretty much all we could ask for.
This is typical smear campaing trying to cause doubt in consumers . The same Story was being reported Yesterday that third party drm on ps4 was comming , when in fact it was not.Who the hell are these "sources"? We have have had clear clarification from sony that the ps4 will operate with the same system that is in place with ps3 (e.g online passes for third party).
I think Microsoft was just too far ahead of the curve, but if you listened to the major publisher's conferences... EA and Ubi... the majority of their FIRST next-gen games will require an internet connections to access all the newer, cooler features in the game. In a few years, you're just going to need a connection to the internet period.
Unfortunately, Microsoft appeased the publishers, but was thinking just a bit too far ahead for the majority of current consumers. I don't really mind the stuff... I just wish GameFly would work on the X1. Then I'd really be sold. They've shown that they've got the games.
It will suck for Sony when these publishers finally just say, "It's necessary now." The Microsoft community will have been ready for years... the Sony community will be, for lack of a better word, blindsided.
Unfortunately, Microsoft appeased the publishers, but was thinking just a bit too far ahead for the majority of current consumers. I don't really mind the stuff... I just wish GameFly would work on the X1. Then I'd really be sold. They've shown that they've got the games.
It will suck for Sony when these publishers finally just say, "It's necessary now." The Microsoft community will have been ready for years... the Sony community will be, for lack of a better word, blindsided.
HappyHunting
Neo Member
Yes they left room like they did with the PS3. Microsoft IS the only CONSOLE with DRM this generation. Yes PUBLISHERS can opt to put some sort of DRM in their games like they did with the PS3.
I'm not sure how this is unclear for people.
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