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EDGE: DRM-free PS4 is a PR play expect similar policies across both consoles.
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I am pretty sure almost everyone in the industry ignored Sony's stance regarding DRM.
Pretty sure that Sony bluffed MS, maybe by working on DRM with publishers, to make them believe they were going towards DRM too...
As obviously, MS has snitches everywhere at publishers...(so does Sony)
That whole MS DRM shitload is probably due to Sony's smart play.
Does anyone think MS would have done this if they knew Sony would not?
So, I am not surprised some devs claim Sony was about to do DRM... that s what Sony wanted them to believe.
Pretty sure that Sony bluffed MS, maybe by working on DRM with publishers, to make them believe they were going towards DRM too...
As obviously, MS has snitches everywhere at publishers...(so does Sony)
That whole MS DRM shitload is probably due to Sony's smart play.
Does anyone think MS would have done this if they knew Sony would not?
So, I am not surprised some devs claim Sony was about to do DRM... that s what Sony wanted them to believe.
This is very true. When Persona 4 Arena was announced to be region-locked, the outrage was directed all at Atlus and bad publicity was espoused for months. 3rd parties can't risk it.
semiconscious
Gold Member
edge: who ya gonna believe? us, or your own lying eyes?...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
In gaming? Who is more reputable?
SlowRevolution
Member
This reminds me of when there's an election and the media pretends it'll be really close, but it ends up being a total blowout. Edge and all these other sites need to act like Sony's being vague or lying or whatever because having a million "PS4 is amazing" articles would be boring.
It's like when Sony people made their views on online completely clear but people acted like they were using confusing PR speak.
It's like when Sony people made their views on online completely clear but people acted like they were using confusing PR speak.
Future PhaZe
Member
If offline passes happen Sony is dead to me. My preorder was completely based on the promise of non drm.
SolidSnakex
Member
I'm pretty sure that Kyon is saying that season passes for single player games won't exist. And that's completely correct. A permanent connection because they've created some MMO-type game? Sure, and Sony even welcomes that as you see with Destiny.
Of course the DRM was a PR play, given the frenzy about MS's policies when they announced it, it'd be madness not to exploit it.
Technically the people publishers are most interested in are those with an internet connection because they are the ones who will ultimately buy DLC/ Map Packs etc, for the steadier revenue stream.
Whether it's worth cutting out the offline crew entirely though...
Good grief Sony have said that all the retail games will be available digitally, the only thing left is for Sony to make digital titles more tempting to purchase than physical disc is by making them cheaper, which is the more progressive way of things instead of ham fisting physical copies into the digital model.
The only way MS and Sony would have similar policies is if Sony did a barefaced lie, what they've said from when they announced it at the Sony press conference and the interviews afterwards, gives them no political maneuvering.
Technically the people publishers are most interested in are those with an internet connection because they are the ones who will ultimately buy DLC/ Map Packs etc, for the steadier revenue stream.
Whether it's worth cutting out the offline crew entirely though...
Good grief Sony have said that all the retail games will be available digitally, the only thing left is for Sony to make digital titles more tempting to purchase than physical disc is by making them cheaper, which is the more progressive way of things instead of ham fisting physical copies into the digital model.
The only way MS and Sony would have similar policies is if Sony did a barefaced lie, what they've said from when they announced it at the Sony press conference and the interviews afterwards, gives them no political maneuvering.
I second this. Otherwise we can also say that our sources says that EDGE is getting paid by MS.
Also off topic, but gamasutra, gi.biz, few industry publications like that.
People saying its just like the PS3" are technically correct but missing the point.
Multiplatform publishers are NOT going to release a locked down version of their game on the Xbox and an open version on the PS4.
Microsoft's policy is going to influence what publishers do on the PS4.
Multiplatform publishers are NOT going to release a locked down version of their game on the Xbox and an open version on the PS4.
Microsoft's policy is going to influence what publishers do on the PS4.
Captain Tuttle
Member
lol Who's salty now?
Nikodemos
Member
And why exactly should I care about the reasons which made Sony diverge from MS's stance?
I applaud Sony for doing it, not for why they're doing it. And as long as they stay the course, I'll continue applauding them, irrespective of the reasons.
This was for their own 1st party titles.
I have no doubt that some publishers will continue to use some form of online pass, in fact I can see more games this generation requiring internet connection as the different modes of gameplay we know today merge. It will most likely continue to work as it does today on the PS3, just expect more titles to have a form of online pass / subscription model attached to their game with an option to purchase separately to continue to allow trade ins.
I agree. And I suppose most people on GAF tend to agree too. Tretton's speech was a relief for a lot of people, but every time they've talked about "doing the right thing for the gamers" since yesterday, you know they're riding that PR wave.
As Y2Kev said:
Boogalogist
Member
If this is true, then it's an excellent political manoeuvre. I salute Sony for it.
Agreed, like I said earlier, they would get horribly crushed by the public. If we're all to say things like "Wow! Sony really read the situation well and played their cards perfectly at E3!" Then have Sony, with that clever power play they just made, throw it all in the trash then dump a vat of burning oil on themselves by doing a 180 then I think it would defy all logic. You go from reading your audience perfectly and catering to them to evaporating all equity and trust before the console even launches? What makes more sense, that scenario given the public comments by every Sony official, or the possibility that something might be awry with how Edge framed/worded this article OR perhaps their sources?
As a note, I'm not saying this means Edge is crooked, but I think regardless of what they say, the most likely thing is that this is either untrue or a grossly exaggerated article preying on some ignorance still leftover from the conference. It would actually be better for Sony to just come out with the truth then guarantee they are never trusted again.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
That'd be an extremely dumb thing to do; the backlash if you were to lie and then backpedal would be much greater than MS' way of coming out with it from the beginning.
Delicious Waffles
Member
This is what I was thinking from the get go when all the XBO news came about.
You really think, at some point, Sony wouldn't follow suit with the PS4? MS is doing all this with publishers on their console and you don't think publishers would want the same criteria on Sony's new console? Sony could tell you exactly what you want to hear but if the publishers want it, they're going to tell them no and risk losing money?
I'm not trying to sound like a pro-MS, anti-Sony person but this is a business. It's going to happen. Sony is telling you what you want to hear now to get you firmly behind them but, down the line, I wouldn't be surprised if they changed their tune.
You really think, at some point, Sony wouldn't follow suit with the PS4? MS is doing all this with publishers on their console and you don't think publishers would want the same criteria on Sony's new console? Sony could tell you exactly what you want to hear but if the publishers want it, they're going to tell them no and risk losing money?
I'm not trying to sound like a pro-MS, anti-Sony person but this is a business. It's going to happen. Sony is telling you what you want to hear now to get you firmly behind them but, down the line, I wouldn't be surprised if they changed their tune.
90TilInfinity
Member
Why couldn't it be the other way around? Publishers surely wouldn't want any part of this PR disaster MS have gotten themselves into.
Mortimer Brewster
Member
They saw this route as the best way to return the Playstation brand to its former PS2 level domination which will be incredibly lucrative for Sony. I had been saying for months since the DRM story broke that Sony would be smart to take this approach and they did and I feel they will reap the benefits for it.
Canis lupus
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
The DRM stuff that MS are putting in Xbone at system level is to serve THEIR purposes, noone elses.
If they were so beholden to the publishers interests, all they need do is enact a simple policy change allowing them to implement their own run-time DRM validation. The degree to which they have embedded it in their infrastructure is for their cloud/service ambitions, not to stop used games.
As Sim City showed, publishers can easily manufacture a pretext for always-online validation if they see fit.
If they were so beholden to the publishers interests, all they need do is enact a simple policy change allowing them to implement their own run-time DRM validation. The degree to which they have embedded it in their infrastructure is for their cloud/service ambitions, not to stop used games.
As Sim City showed, publishers can easily manufacture a pretext for always-online validation if they see fit.
RukusProvider
Banned
Sony is running the PR game. Their first party will be make up maybe 5% of the library. The rest will be 3rd party which will certainly implement their flavor of DRM.
To think otherwise is amazingly naive.
To think otherwise is amazingly naive.
I'm pretty sure they will allow online passes for third party games but only scrub moron studios like ea, tecmo, and other garbage studios like idea factory will use them since it locks used gamers out if lucrative dlc purchases.
Did no one else see that the most successful console publishing brand (activision publishing, not even blizzard) had no online pass?
Did no one else see that the most successful console publishing brand (activision publishing, not even blizzard) had no online pass?
makes you wonder how much they get paid to continuously misguide the public at large... it started yesterday with Sony responding right away, but it seems to continue.
There is nothing unknown about Sony policy anymore.. it was clarified at 3-4 different times in last 2 days through conference, official PR clarification, Terron and that other guy on GB.
With MS, pretty much almost nothing is clarified except that you cant sell it on your own or share it with your friends and they refuse to talk about it or give any kind of interviews on E3.
that could happen only if XONE is successful which is highly unlikely. Even without any restrictions xone had no future against PS4 outside US
The "lock" is on xone's end and many publishers dont like the idea . If the publishers want to sell their games and make money they would have to release a PS4 version and comply with SONY's policy
Well, almost all 3rd party publishers spoke against DRM . Where do you get your info from?
crazy_about_denise
Member
MS decided, as many times before in their history, and don't get me wrong I work with their products, to try to bend the market brute-force.
Sony has decided once more to hurt themselves (no DRM) in order to profit in the end (larger install base, more overall sales).
And rootkits have nothing to do with company policy imo. If anything it's just bad practice and a sign of inexperienced or bad programmers.
Because Microsoft isn't giving them a choice.
Publishers aren't going to shun the Xbox just because their DRM policy isn't a hit with a vocal minority.
www.talesfrommyass.com should now redirect to EDGE instead of Kotaku.
Just like ps3? Not seeing the difference. I am happy they are at least taking the middle ground and not locking down the whole system...let the market decide instead of it being forced.
Sony is a publisher. We made them to forget about DRM.
In fact, we can win about that on a more global scale.
Thing is, an industry that has to restrict consumers to protect their profits is certainly in really bad shape. Whereas, they should just make bigger and longer games (with online components, DLC that are not on disc, interactive events... what you see maybe on successful MMOs).
In fact, we can win about that on a more global scale.
Thing is, an industry that has to restrict consumers to protect their profits is certainly in really bad shape. Whereas, they should just make bigger and longer games (with online components, DLC that are not on disc, interactive events... what you see maybe on successful MMOs).
qa_engineer
Member
These articles are going to continue to crop up. Sony can only say "we will not enforce DRM," or "it will be like the ps3 is now" so many times.
plus, they probably sold like arse or Sony and others wouldnt be dropping them.
I suspect not many , if any, will be implementing those. Sony guy in GB said that it doesnt seem likely that 3rd party will impose any additional policies of their own since it doesnt make sense.
maquiladora
Member
The only DRM publishers can implement is with restricting online gamplay with used games.
It's the exact same system that currently exists.
Sure they will. They've no choice on Xbox. For an extreme example, look at something like Witcher 3. You think CD Project Red are going to layer on DRM on the PS4 version to match the Xbox version? No they won't. And they can't per Sony policy, at least as far as single player and offline content goes.
This is just childish.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Are you kidding?! Since when? A 7/10 in EDGE actually means 7/10 unlike... well, unlike just about every other publication that uses a ten point scale. You do recall that they gave The Last of Us one of their coveted 10/10s, right?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not blindly believing the article, but give one of the more esteemed publications in this corrupt hell-hole we call 'gaming' a little credit.
Mortimer Brewster
Member
When the PS4 is flying off the shelves this generation while the Xbox One wallows in a distant second, I don't think the publishers ,who will want to get their exceedingly expensive games to largest number of gamers possible will be in a position to tell Sony what they want them to do.
famousmortimer
Banned
That article is insane. I mean not only is there no proof but it doesn't even explain how it would magically become similar.
This is one of the grossest clickbait articles i've ever seen. It's so bad that it almost makes me like Polygon.
This is one of the grossest clickbait articles i've ever seen. It's so bad that it almost makes me like Polygon.
SolidSnakex
Member
They can't influence them because they aren't allowed to lock their games on the PS4. This has been made clear in multiple interviews.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/413102/interviews/the-ps4-interview-shuhei-yoshida/
They're completely limited into only being able to control what happens with the online side of their game in certain instances. But the offline portion can't be touched in terms of putting it behind a paywall or blocking renting, borrowing etc.
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