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Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K
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Bubba_Sparks
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Yeah, no way to do 4K currently in a SoC configuration with today's visuals and won't be for a long time. I think the best they could hope for is something around a GTX 960 in terms of performance. That's just a guess based on performance, not any actual IC design knowledge. I feel like anything bigger than a 960 would be too power hungry and therefore put out too much heat.
KratosEnergyDrink
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Seems many think so. Technical knowledge is not big in gaf.
7DollarHagane
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Yeah this feels like a media focused upgrade for 4k media and movie content.
I wouldn't expect any performance increase for games. Maybe just a better scaler for 4k tvs. If anything it would be a small new 3ds type performance bump, but I don't even expect that much difference.
I wouldn't expect any performance increase for games. Maybe just a better scaler for 4k tvs. If anything it would be a small new 3ds type performance bump, but I don't even expect that much difference.
Movalpolos
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4K for media playback. Not games.
7DollarHagane
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You underestimate the performance demands of 4k. My gtx 970 which draws a ton more power and heat than a ps4 ever could struggles to hit 30 fps on Xbox 360 ports from last gen. I tried playing bionic commando in 4k down sampled and the framerate was close to 30, but below consistently.
Cereal Enthusiast
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Excellent article by DF, as usual.
Of course the more plausible options are #2 and #3. Last week I would have said #2, current games run more smoothly on PS4K. But it could as well be #3, and nobody is left behind.
Of course the more plausible options are #2 and #3. Last week I would have said #2, current games run more smoothly on PS4K. But it could as well be #3, and nobody is left behind.
SinCityAssassin
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What games even output at 4K?
migh_and_highty
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So ps4+vrbox = ps4k?
maniac-kun
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I like how you guys ignore the sentence with the more GPU power and pretend its just a 4k bluray update.
Movalpolos
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Nope.
Since Kotaku mentioned better GPU for helping PSVR, I presume this will not be just a shring of PS4 APU with added HDMI2.0 support. I am expecting Polaris GPU.
They did. They put the best hardware in it that could be bought for ~$390 [manufacturing cost of PS4 at launch].
3rd option seems the most plausible. Hardware revision and if some extra features can be added that do not really split the user base or make previous owners angry, way to go.
It is obvious though, that Sony has to explore all the options so a more powerful PS4 sure has been considered at some point.
It is obvious though, that Sony has to explore all the options so a more powerful PS4 sure has been considered at some point.
Best case scenario (for me)would be a Ps4 revision with 4k output... for movies on Uhd blu ray only.
I wouldn't feel as betrayed. But now that I think of it, best case would be Sony giving a meaty discount to current ps4 owners or some kind of exchange program.
And that will never happen lol
I wouldn't feel as betrayed. But now that I think of it, best case would be Sony giving a meaty discount to current ps4 owners or some kind of exchange program.
And that will never happen lol
Real_Madrid
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I think it would be a massive mistake to call this PS 4K. The casual gamers will not know that 4K for gaming isn't possible in a console format, even in 5 years it's probably not happening.
If you call it 4K, people will expect 4K gaming, it's that simple and even my 980ti and recent i7 processor can't play most games at 4K/60fps. It's still a long way until we get a true 4K capable console gaming device.
And x86 is known for the easy scalability, so if Sony really goes this way, they should announce that from now on they just call the box PlayStation and do an iteration every 2/3 years and let the developers choose what iterations they support.
If you call it 4K, people will expect 4K gaming, it's that simple and even my 980ti and recent i7 processor can't play most games at 4K/60fps. It's still a long way until we get a true 4K capable console gaming device.
And x86 is known for the easy scalability, so if Sony really goes this way, they should announce that from now on they just call the box PlayStation and do an iteration every 2/3 years and let the developers choose what iterations they support.
Yeah, the whole "games will be 4K res and 60fps" narrative was bonkers and very unrealistic in the first place either way.
Yeah, I get that Kotaku was just reporting the words of their (obviously trustworthy) source, but the whole "4K games" thing obviously meant devs will have the option, but very few, if any, will use it.
This seems like an initiative from Sony HQ similar to the blu-ray one - it's in the best interests of the entire company to push 4K, as they benefit from the platform, televisions and the content sales.
But hey, it this increases the amount of 60fps games available to console gamers, great.
This seems like an initiative from Sony HQ similar to the blu-ray one - it's in the best interests of the entire company to push 4K, as they benefit from the platform, televisions and the content sales.
But hey, it this increases the amount of 60fps games available to console gamers, great.
Well, if this means I can buy a cheap early-gen PS4 later this year, I'm all in.
I kind of want one now that it's slowly getting some games I want and I haven't had a dedicated blu-ray player in like forever. If I could buy a basemodel 500GB/1TB PS4 for <€200 that'd be lovely
I kind of want one now that it's slowly getting some games I want and I haven't had a dedicated blu-ray player in like forever. If I could buy a basemodel 500GB/1TB PS4 for <€200 that'd be lovely
I hope that's the case.
wapplew
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disappeared
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Occam's Razor, with visceral, 4K-rendered cutscenes, is the bundled game.
Movalpolos
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Who seriously thought this?
Klepek was quite clear on the GPU front:
"Based on conversations with developers who have spoken with Sony, this ‘PS4.5’ will include an upgraded GPU both to support high-end 4K resolution for games and add more processing power that can enhance the games supported by PlayStation VR"
"Besides resolution, developers would have an opportunity to push more effects and other graphical tweaks to make their games look better, thanks to the new GPU."
"A more powerful PS4 would also allow the machine to be more competitive with PCs in the world of virtual reality. With a higher-end GPU, the PS4 could more easily match up against the more expensive Oculus Rift and HTC Vive virtual reality headsets, which are designed to work with powerful PCs."
Kinda what think. Maybe it also has the PSVR add-on box built right in?
...or maybe they'll position it as the only sku of the PS4 that can support folders--then everyone on GAF will buy it, LOL.
THE:MILKMAN
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Looking at the massive 5 year gap going from 28nm to 14/16nm is the major cause of headaches here.
PS4/Xbone were never able to be cutting edge at launch and actually launched over 2 years after 28nm was available which was already a longer time than any previous nodes life. I think whatever shape these refreshes take, it will be mainly to address the slowed fabrication process.
We think PS3/X360 were ancient at the end of their lives, but imagine how bad PS4/Xbone would look if left as they are in late 2018/19 with Zen/Polaris/Pascal etc coming this year alone.
PS4/Xbone were never able to be cutting edge at launch and actually launched over 2 years after 28nm was available which was already a longer time than any previous nodes life. I think whatever shape these refreshes take, it will be mainly to address the slowed fabrication process.
We think PS3/X360 were ancient at the end of their lives, but imagine how bad PS4/Xbone would look if left as they are in late 2018/19 with Zen/Polaris/Pascal etc coming this year alone.
All options presented by DF mention increased GPU performance as well. With these choices, there will still be a difference moving forward.
Movalpolos
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It won't.
Yup. All the vidpath stuff meaning consoles will be usable for cable boxes is shit too.
I know some people are saying this. I just don't buy it.
This is a good way to see it. PS4.5 will more than likely have better specs. PS4 will still be supported and have a cheaper price. PS4.5 will just be a better, more expensive option. This move will attract some casuals and some core gamers to both models based on their respective features and/or price instead of just having everything be replaced by a new slim model.
wapplew
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Nothing different.
No dev will fully utilize those new shinny hardware, all they get is higher resolution and frame rate.
Everyone who goes for a mid tier PC has a better version of what you have.
cormack12
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This will really help Microsoft. They can now potentially shoehorn an upgrade in there with their alternative to the PS 4K as well. Which is good.
Got to say I'm not interested in it though if it doesn't improve the games. I might be tempted if it can run the games with a frame rate, resolution and post processing boost but 4K content - nah, and I'm not really interested in VR - only as a concept. Still at least two years away from me even considering it to be honest.
Got to say I'm not interested in it though if it doesn't improve the games. I might be tempted if it can run the games with a frame rate, resolution and post processing boost but 4K content - nah, and I'm not really interested in VR - only as a concept. Still at least two years away from me even considering it to be honest.
Forget about "some people" and online chatter. We have specific report form Klepek, Totilo and Press Sneak Fuck, and there are no reports that say that what they said is not true. DF only confirmed the existence of the machine, they did not have new info about its new HW.
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