CDPR already did this. "it's not dlc, it's expansions"
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Fallout 4 Season Pass: $30, "we dont know what the actual DLC will be yet"
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Wozzer
Member
don't understand the eurgh or GAF hate here...
Instead of a developer cutting out content they want to make from the retail release, or doing the typical scenario of making the DLC before the retail release has even shipped, they're instead being transparent in showing their focus is on the retail release until it ships, then they'll focus on DLC that they want to make after it.
That's exactly what I want from DLC. Focus on giving me a full focused retail experience, then after release think of interesting ways to have me reinvest in the world through DLC.
Heck if this was your average game the base building would be expansion one, and probably on-disc to boot. The Fallout 3 DLC also showed an attempt to do lengthy and deep DLC that pivoted on the main game, which was rare at that early stage last gen. I'll give them the benefit of doubt this time.
Instead of a developer cutting out content they want to make from the retail release, or doing the typical scenario of making the DLC before the retail release has even shipped, they're instead being transparent in showing their focus is on the retail release until it ships, then they'll focus on DLC that they want to make after it.
That's exactly what I want from DLC. Focus on giving me a full focused retail experience, then after release think of interesting ways to have me reinvest in the world through DLC.
Heck if this was your average game the base building would be expansion one, and probably on-disc to boot. The Fallout 3 DLC also showed an attempt to do lengthy and deep DLC that pivoted on the main game, which was rare at that early stage last gen. I'll give them the benefit of doubt this time.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Could be a good deal, but 'all the DLC we'll ever make' could mean anything from a couple of quests to 4 or more Point Lookout sized new maps.
Have something a little more concrete, lol.
That being said, if it is up to usual Bethesda standards + quantity, 30 ain't a terrible price.
Have something a little more concrete, lol.
That being said, if it is up to usual Bethesda standards + quantity, 30 ain't a terrible price.
Yup. The choice ultimately is still left up to the consumer.
You're completely missing my point. I'm not talking about post-launch content when referring to the Master Chief Collection. I'm talking about how consumers in this industry continue to motivate companies to not give a shit about their product's quality because people buy stuff sight unseen.
The concept of pre-order culture is foreign to you? We know what problems that entail from content being broken out of the game, to exclusive stuff, to games being shipped broken. I thought we are on GAF were this should be obvious.
Psychoward
Banned
They announced they were making expansions, they gave no more details than that pre-release. Are you implying that Fallout 4 won't be a "meaty ass game to begin with?". Also all of that "free DLC" was either cut content or little patches to get positive feedback. And I don't remember Witcher 3 retailing for $30 at launch either but ya know, whatever helps your argument.
It's exactly the same thing, really buying season passes before any content actually releases for them is a dumb idea but that's the consumers' fault not the developer. You can't fault CDPR or Bethesda for allowing people to buy content before they even reveal it, but you can fault people for eating it up or stating that the two developers aren't doing the same thing because you like one more than the other.
Solidsoul
Banned
I second this.
Psychoward
Banned
but they're a small Polish developer man, it's totally different
shinobi602
Member
Well said.
blame space
Banned
1 of 4 expansions being free if you buy them all at once and early is not an unreasonable value proposition.
Is it normal to announce a season pass with no information? Typically we are at least given a bullet list of notional content. 2 quest lines, 2 gear packs, one new area, etc. A poster above just said they expect 4 DLC out of this. This isn't an instance of a company misinforming us or making it confusing, they are flat out not informing us and asking us to pay money for something that doesn't even exist as an idea.
That seems a little more extreme than the industry standard. I'll be waiting, $10 more for content at time of release is a good insurance plan against content that may not even be good/needed or wanted.
I haven't been into AAA lately do I may be off the mark here.
Oh, well sure.
But the premise here is that even post release, you're still exchanging money for something you are only assuming you will like based on what you have seen instead of a product you have experienced and already know you enjoy.
There's also generally absolutely nothing exclusive to buying a season pass early, and DLC is generally released once a game is working, so I'm not sure at what point it is comparable to the pre-order scenario you've switched your argument to.
Interfectum
Member
I don't think pre-orders had anything to do with MCC being a fucked up mess. The developer bit off more than they could chew. I think MS very much "gives a shit" about the quality of MCC because they still want that IP to be viable. Some projects are just fatally flawed no matter how much money or man hours are thrown at it.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Lol definitely not buying this.
Except that you don't know how many expansions the game will have or how much content they'll have. You're just making an optimist supposition, which is what they want you to do.
To be fair, they can't really win no matter what they say.
"We don't know what it is yet"
Selling something for $30 and you don't even know what it is!?
"We'll be releasing X + Y on such dates"
Working on the dlc and the game isnt even finished/out yet!
With the "We don't know what it'll be yet" approach, that makes me think it truly is post game content. Not stuff that has been scrapped/ripped from the game, to be sold seperately later, though I have to question why they feel it's the right time to sell a season pass despite not knowing that. If they do have the details, that makes me fear the possibility I'm just supporting developers ripping content out and selling it later seperately. They may not be, but I think it's certainly a possibility having the details so soon.
In fairness, I don't think I'd buy a season pass if I didn't even have a rough idea what it would include. For all we know it could be costume skins and etc. Similar to what the batman season pass is seeming to be a lot of so far, which is very disappointing.
Guess it depends on your trust in said company that they'll put out something worth the money. CD Project Red are definitely getting a lot of trust from me in this area with how they've been.
"We don't know what it is yet"
Selling something for $30 and you don't even know what it is!?
"We'll be releasing X + Y on such dates"
Working on the dlc and the game isnt even finished/out yet!
With the "We don't know what it'll be yet" approach, that makes me think it truly is post game content. Not stuff that has been scrapped/ripped from the game, to be sold seperately later, though I have to question why they feel it's the right time to sell a season pass despite not knowing that. If they do have the details, that makes me fear the possibility I'm just supporting developers ripping content out and selling it later seperately. They may not be, but I think it's certainly a possibility having the details so soon.
In fairness, I don't think I'd buy a season pass if I didn't even have a rough idea what it would include. For all we know it could be costume skins and etc. Similar to what the batman season pass is seeming to be a lot of so far, which is very disappointing.
Guess it depends on your trust in said company that they'll put out something worth the money. CD Project Red are definitely getting a lot of trust from me in this area with how they've been.
Psychoward
Banned
as will most people
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Lol its funny this happens not to long after the naughty dog thread they got trashed for announcing single player dlc before release(we kno its single player jus no price and info) yet here we know nothing at all but aye give us $30.00. In my eyes either you had to be defending both our against both if thats the case
Krappadizzle
Member
What incentive do they have to not put out just throwaway DLC when they have all the customers money for it and can just say, eh..we told you we didn't know what we were gonna do? It can potentionally affect those that decide to wait on what the DLC is. I'm not thinking this'll happen, but at the same time it's not like Bethesda has a great history of consumer focus in mind, especially considering their bullshit attempt at paid mods as well as the shit tier quality of their PS3 ports.
Are some of ya'll not remembering that?
Are some of ya'll not remembering that?
Monster Zero
Junior Member
Its normal to cut content from developing games, it's normal to put content behind preorder wall, it's normal for games to release in a shit state when your money is already dead, the industry norm is shitty and we shouldn't just go "well that's how it is now" Fallout 4 was top 3 hype for me, but I'm not a sucker, I'm not gonna fall for their trap they trying to sneak in. I don't trust season passes. They have almost 0 benefit for the customer.
No, you know that you will charge at least $40. The actual worth is something else.
I wonder if this is some sort of attempt to counter the usual complaint of "DLC is just cut content"
Not pissing off fans who buy it from the next elder scrolls or fallout.
You said no Season Pass has ever been "worth it", so beyond taking you at the words you actually say figuring out your point can be problematic.
Nevermind that your comment is still BS as you've still waved your hand and generalized every Season Pass to fall under this nonsense strategy.
Psychoward
Banned
Naughty Dog completely fucked their own multiplayer with TLOU DLC, Bethesda has released multiple quality, meaty single-player DLCs for their past three games.
But you can still get the season pass after you know what it will be, right?
Skyrim expansions weren't anywhere near "laughable".
Hm, yes. Of course you can.
blame space
Banned
Well I have experience with their previous games. You are right though, technically they could poop into an Xbox message and send it to my gamerTag and call that the season pass, but I have no more reason to think they'll do that than I have a reason to doubt the $60 game I'm already buying. One is not more unreasonable than the other.
Fuz
Banned
Holy shit.
I am strongly against preorders and DLC, but seriously, anyone buying this in advance has some mental problem.
It's not an either-or situation. Announcing a road map, or even an idea of what you'll get is not the same thing as cutting content. The game is ~2 months out, people involved in pre-production stuff aren't going to be optimizing the game.
Beelzebufo
Banned
As a loyal fan, I'm honored.
True and this goes even more so for Bethesda. It's the company some people just love to hate.
I actually agree with the people in here saying it's silly to charge people for something that doesn't even exist. But people do it with kickstarters all the time without batting an eyelash.
I don't know, I guess since this is only an optional way to save money and the DLC will still be available otherwise, why do people care so much about what others are doing with their money?
blame space
Banned
I love season passes now! 😁
I understand and approve this reference
They can win by announcing this stuff after the game launches, and specifying what it is. This is, of course, unheard of by most developers today, and that is absolutely part of the problem. I think Bloodborne is the only game that comes to mind that they announced an expansion after the game was released.
Petty trends will stay petty trends, I suppose.
Other than reducing the overall cost of individually released content? If you have no faith in the developer or of the mind that you probably wont want all the DLC released. . .this is not for you.
Sure.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
But thats their multiplayer is it not. The argument im the thread was they announced it before the game came out, going by quality i can easily say i trust them because left behind was a masterpiece
Octavianus
Banned
It's Fallout 4, let us have faith
Why?