Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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FFXV's future updates adjust chapters, add cutscenes, add playable characters, more
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texhnolyze
Banned
Hahaha wtf is this. It's not on the same level as 'games need patches nowadays'. Those games are content completed whether they needed patches or not. The patches are generally for bug & performance fixes and whatnot. This is like adding essential story elements. My PS4 will be arrived tomorrow. I wonder if I should start playing or wait for this update. It sounds like it won't come out anytime soon so I guess that settles it.
BBPunjabi816
Member
Is the mention of the
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a big spoiler or is it not a big deal? Just came across that in th post and was curious?
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Frozenprince
Banned
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Junior Member
Surprised at all the "WOW WHAT A MESS" posts.
Would you rather bitch about the shitty parts of the game forever? I think its really fucking cool they're revisiting single player content post launch. I can't remember the last time that happened.
Would you rather bitch about the shitty parts of the game forever? I think its really fucking cool they're revisiting single player content post launch. I can't remember the last time that happened.
Funny that the overworld and the battle systems are the two things praised in the reviews.
That's how I look at it. I think the base package we have right now is great, but we can see that the clipping of the trilogy into one game left some holes in the story. That they are working on filling them to some extent is pretty nice, looking forward to it for my new game plus playthrough!
I will say that I only think it is acceptable in this case, where a trilogy got compressed into one game, due to the nature of the project being a condensation. I won't be quite as accepting of it if they make this a standard for regular projects going forward. It definitely shouldn't become a standard for game development.
Edit: I have a short-term goal for them:
Fix the goddamn Adamantoise fight! I absolutely loathe being kicked out of the battle arena after an hour of fighting due to some bug and having to start the whole fight over!
Read the sentence again.
I gotcha now. I'm usually quite good with my online reading comprehension, if I do say so myself, but I missed the boat on this one.
Solid Sora
Member
It seems people expected a real traditional fight and didn't like the set-piece approach. The Leviathan fight was one of my favorite bits of the game personally.
texhnolyze
Banned
It's clear that they rushed this game at the end. They're not revisiting the content. They're doing what they should've been doing before releasing the game last week.
Marmaladefire
Member
The real lesson is that XVI needs to spend less time on stuff square doesn't know how to do (fairly empty open worlds) and more on what they are good at (fantastic looking cutscenes, melodramatic fantasy, having the main character's love interest in the party...) Chapter 13's length alone is unacceptable. Final Fantasy is not MGS, nor is it a survival horror. Jumpscares? Awful stealth mechanics? Really?
Also, most importantly (end game spoiler)
blessed be the day we are done with Fabula Nova Crystallis
Also, most importantly (end game spoiler)
Tabata's kill em' all bit is getting tired. It worked here I guess. I was sad and depressed and still don't want to go back for a little bit because it affected me, but honestly I don't want to see that again. I feel like Noctis, nor his companions, no one at all had to deal with the consequences of years of empire colonization, restoring order, etc. It's kind of just an emotionally manipulative cop out
blessed be the day we are done with Fabula Nova Crystallis
EatinOlives
Member
The experience won't change considerably from these changes, that much is clear. A couple of extra cutscenes really won't fundamentally alter things, these are all relatively superficial things.
If these changes really bother you that much, you could at least finish the game as is and pretend these changes aren't coming. Then you can just come to terms with the state of the game as is and there you go. They're not MAKING you stick around until these updates drop.
Randomizer123454444
Member
This makes me want to stop playing until at least mid-term goals are done (just finishing chapter 10). Good thing I have that save at one critical point, I don't think I'd have the energy to do all those side quests a second time by starting a new game.
I'm glad they are fixing problems, but I feel a bit sad to know that if I continue I'll only get a partial experience.
I'm glad they are fixing problems, but I feel a bit sad to know that if I continue I'll only get a partial experience.
Movalpolos
Banned
All I have left in this game is the 99 dungeon and the 99 hunts. Oh, and the scraps of paper (which I'm never going to do). NG+ is going to be worthless for me pretty soon.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
No, but if I'd known large changes to story content were coming I wouldn't have bought or played the game to begin with. By making large changes to story content after release I feel like I wasted my time and money. I would've waited if this information had come out sooner
KittenMaster
Member
eugh. I just got the game and now I'm going to feel like I'm missing out for doing any sort of progress.
There is an NG+? Could I possibly beat the game now, and then after the patches all hit go back to my NG+ file and see what changed in the story?
BBPunjabi816
Member
Will the story make sense if I just play through it now? I don't really see the point of waiting if it is just a couple of scenes and one chapter that becomes better.
That's the idea, I'd think. They are going to introduce it in a patch.
To me, these points feel super context-dependent. Like, is this a discussion we have had on a more significant, long-term level, or are we deciding from situation to situation what we decide makes for proper post-launch support? And adapting our framework for that to the specific situation that has come up around FFXV?
Because right now we are talking like we can take for granted that this isn't fine, but adding "bug and performance fixes and whatnot" is. This conception of a game being incomplete at launch is quite old, though. It's been applied time and time again to games that got significant QoL updates, performance enhancements, and other things along those lines. "Thanks, beta testers. I'll be picking up the GOTY edition."
I see no proper argument for why, exactly, it isn't merely arbitrary to say that you're crossing the line if you had story scenes. Now, whether FFXV's narrative is fatally flawed/incomplete/whatever is one argument; why would someone be mad, though, at post-launch improvements extending to the narrative direction of a game?
There's a good chance those scenes won't be dramatic improvements to the narrative, anyway. There's a good chance that you'll be getting significantly more bang for your buck from the various gameplay-related improvements they're likely to make over the next handful of months.
NG+ isn't up yet, will be sometime in December.
Little Old Man
Member
Bahaha. Glad I decided not to touch this game with a barge pole at launch. I'll wait until the GOTY complete story edition is released before playing.
The problem is that it's clear that they know that they released a poorly tested and unfinished product. No one is complaining that they're fixing things, they're complaining that the game was released in this state at all.
We were "done" with FNC since FFXV was announced since FFXV is not an FNC title.
Marmaladefire
Member
Well not really. That's why they're adding one. You can go "back" and do post game content, but you can't restart the game fresh with stats, etc intact.
And yet has all the markers and skeleton of one. It's not an "official" FNC title because they didn't want people associating it too heavily with the XIII trilogy.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Annoying, but if Konami did this for MGSV people would be take this new with more open arms I feel.
If they didn't make so many heavy changes to the original narrative and characters in the first place tho then they wouldn't have had to scrap literally dozens upon dozens of cutscenes in the first place.....
If they didn't make so many heavy changes to the original narrative and characters in the first place tho then they wouldn't have had to scrap literally dozens upon dozens of cutscenes in the first place.....
That feel when my phone accidentally selected this text and I got spoiled. D:
bananafactory
Banned
i don't replay games or do new game+, when the credits roll i'm done
i guess i'll just play through it the way it is. sucks because i really feel like these additions would help, the story is a mess and i have no idea what's happening a lot of the time
LambdaTeos
Member
Oh i get it, the thing is, they kinda are
I'm not saying they are forcing people to just stop playing and wait for the update, but the sole consideration of this option should not be even thought since the game and the original vision should have been released day one
About the cutscenes, we still don't know how radical the change will be, but there will be a change, and can affect in certain level the experience.
Patches and additional content are that, but never should affect the main story which is the main selling point in an RPG, or at least one of the main points, in this case, even thou i agree we do not know how much it will change nor if it will be that important, it's still a thing to consider
Also, pretend the changes aren't coming for a fan of the saga is kinda... a lame comment, because you're basically telling dedicated fans to ignore the "updates" they are doing to a main game in their favorite series
This is a mess, and honestly i understand both sides (fans and developers), it does not mean it is acceptable, nor that it should be ignored...it's just a bad move, it's just a bad experience, and it just keeps giving more bad impressions to some fans
However, i give kudos to the developers for trying, this is not something you see everyday... in both senses...
In the end, it's just an opinion
It was posted on Square's website as a message from Tabata himself. Gematsu has also covered it.
I'd post a link but I'm on mobile and half asleep, heh.
Looked like shit and you and that is no exaggeration could just hold O and fuck him up. Also the DBZ moment was also stupid in context to everything. You couldnt even die.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Marmaladefire
Member
But yes. It wasn't a boss battle. It was an interactive set piece cut scene. If you could keep dying it would fuck up the flow of what the actual point of the whole sequence was about. It's like the MGS4
Microwave scene.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Wait....
You actually believe people would give Konami, of FUCKONAMI fame, a free pass if they did this?
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Pretty sure every single person would be even more cynical in such a case.
KittenMaster
Member
I guess I'll just bite the bullet and go ahead and play, and when NG+ hits (which will probably be during my initial playthrough) just use that to revisit the story content if I can.
Lilalaunebaer
Member
Yeah, i´m not gonna wait. I wanted to, but no. I´m gonna finish it, so i can be done with this shit show and sell it afterwards. And in the future, if i want, i´ll get the PC version for 2-3. That will actually be a complete product.
Stealthcobra
Member
Probably because out of the millions that bought the game less than 10% even know wtf that is and thats 90% that don't care..
Hentailover
Member
C-can I use the fact that I am sick as an excuse this time around? XD
Yeah, dumb mistake, I dunno why I made it.
Inviusx
Member
Call me crazy but they don't really sound like critical additions. "Hey were gonna add some more cutscenes" "Hey we're going to tweak the game to make parts more enjoyable" "Hey we're going to add character customization and NG+ to give you a reason to pick it up and play again in the future".
I don't think they are adding anything that should prevent you from wanting to play the game as it is.
I don't think they are adding anything that should prevent you from wanting to play the game as it is.
FalsettoVibe
Member
I'm glad I'm not a person that plows through games. I've barely started. Time to put this game on ice for a bit.....at least till the December patch.
So about those playable characters, it's time to speculate how and who.
I'm thinking we will have a party system? With 3 or 4 characters added? And some sort of a character creator to add one more? Shiiiiiit, it sounds cool.
So, who?
Cid?
Cindy?
Cor? (almost guaranteed?)
Luna? (no?)
Gentiana?
Dave or Dino? xD
Iris?
Talcott?
Character from Kingsglaive?
Omg. What if they add a monster capture mode too? Like FFX-2 and XIII-2? I feel like it is almost evident.
Edit: Araneaaaaa
I'm thinking we will have a party system? With 3 or 4 characters added? And some sort of a character creator to add one more? Shiiiiiit, it sounds cool.
So, who?
Cid?
Cindy?
Cor? (almost guaranteed?)
Luna? (no?)
Gentiana?
Dave or Dino? xD
Iris?
Talcott?
Character from Kingsglaive?
Omg. What if they add a monster capture mode too? Like FFX-2 and XIII-2? I feel like it is almost evident.
Edit: Araneaaaaa
I imagine it'll be the characters who already fight alongside you, namely Cor and Iris and Aranea. That way you're not limited to their story appearances. I guess you can use them in the post-game?
And_Gignac
Member
What a clumsy ass company Square has become.