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[kirblar]

It's her regular jumping HK yeah, that seemed reaaaally good. You could see Poison players using it A LOT.
Won't change a lot of thing in the end, though, I would have just loved abusing it. ^^
Her c.LP being 3F is really nice though! And I suppose it'll help for her combos, hoping they didn't change the properties of her LMT move (the flipping kick move).

It's still super good due to its crazy angle. Full list is out for her and it's some tiny nerfs and major buffs.

Poison
Crouching LP: Start-up changed 4->3f
Crouching HK: Changed to be not cancelable
Vertical/Diagonal jumping HK: Active frames changed 10->5f
Focus (all versions): Hurtbox in the forward direction reduced
Back flip: Travel distance reduced
LK/MK/HK Kissed by a Goddess: Advantage on block after FADC forward dash changed to be -5
EX Kissed by a Goddess: Hitbox on the 1st hit expanded upwards to make it easier to AA
LP/MP/HP/EX Whip of Love: 1st and 2nd hit to be focus/red focus/super cancelable even on block
EX Whip of Love: 4th hit to no longer be jump cancelable on block, 4th hit can be followed up by jumping attacks on hit
LP/MP/HP Aeolus Edge: Recovery reduced by 1f, Advantage on hit/block will be - LP: 0/-3, MP: +3/0, HP: +10/+7
LP/MP/HP/EX Aeolus Edge: Fixed an issue in which the fireball didn't hit when meatied on the opponent's back during wake-up

 

[Hitokage]

By the way, speaking of freaking out about changelists...

I eventually discovered that the nerf to Nu's negative warning resistance just put her from almost immune to highly difficult to activate. Arc Parser use doesn't count, and hitting D is attacking. lol

So yeah, it's worth remember that stuff on paper may or may not be all it's cracked up to be. Sometimes new avenues are opened up that you have yet to explore, and sometimes a bunch of nerfs don't end up mattering.

 

[Shito]

It's still super good due to its crazy angle. Full list is out for her and it's some tiny nerfs and major buffs.

Oooooh, I'm fine with all those changes.
I'm surprised they are buffing a bit her fireball game: seems like she already recovered quite fast from them!
Nerfs on her FA and backflip seem quite justified from what I saw of her.

Can't wait!

 

[Beckx]

Are there movelists for the new characters yet? A search came up with a morass of junk and ultra exhibitions.

 

[kirblar]

Oooooh, I'm fine with all those changes.
I'm surprised they are buffing a bit her fireball game: seems like she already recovered quite fast from them!
Nerfs on her FA and backflip seem quite justified from what I saw of her.

Can't wait!

That's a buff to the FA - it's her personal hurtbox that got shrunk.

 

[Shito]

That's a buff to the FA - it's her personal hurtbox that got shrunk.

Hahahaha, I read that as hitbox somehow!
Ok, yeah, thanks Capcom! <3

 

[gutabo]

Xian will be happy:

Focus (all versions): Hitbox in the forward direction slightly reduced

Also seems like they added recovery for the first rekka(all versions) which means that even with the right spacing or if it's meaty LP rekka will always be at least -4...

 

[SloaneRisette]

That's a buff to the FA - it's her personal hurtbox that got shrunk.

I misread it as hitbox

Ok that's nice

 

[QisTopTier]

Damn no more S tier poison

 

[CountBlack]

I read it right ? They nerfed Dee Jay damage ? Any idea of the logic of this ? What secret sauce tech I missed ?

Trying to understand Capcom's logic is like..

I can't even

I didn't eem link to the Nerf deejay petition because Haunts is on Gaf, and if Haunts is on Gaf, Capcops are on Gaf and if Capcops are on Gaf, they'll take it serious and if they take it serious gg

 

[Shito]

Wow, Rolento got hit pretty hard.
EX Patriot Circle no longer being invincible made me grin, I must admit...

 

[WesternHeretic]

Trying to understand Capcom's logic is like..

I can't even

It's pretty easy as far as I am concerned. They just pick the dumbest route every time, it's what they do best.

 

[Busaiku]

How will ArcSys not screw this up.

 

[QisTopTier]

By the way, speaking of freaking out about changelists...

I eventually discovered that the nerf to Nu's negative warning resistance just put her from almost immune to highly difficult to activate. Arc Parser use doesn't count, and hitting D is attacking. lol

So yeah, it's worth remember that stuff on paper may or may not be all it's cracked up to be. Sometimes new avenues are opened up that you have yet to explore, and sometimes a bunch of nerfs don't end up mattering.

It's insanely hard to get NP in BB period. 8 resistance was dumb

 

[SloaneRisette]

How will ArcSys not screw this up.

I don't think they care about balance

 

[biosnake20]

Why did you let Sagat get nerfed like that Haunts? WHY?

 

[Hitokage]

It's pretty easy as far as I am concerned. They just pick the dumbest route every time, it's what they do best.

Or instead of whining like idiots you guys could hit the lab and see what you're actually dealing with.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Not too well got knocked into losers half way through and then got eliminated. But a Trish, RR, and PW player won it all..

thanks

Trying to understand Capcom's logic is like..

I can't even

I didn't eem link to the Nerf deejay petition because Haunts is on Gaf, and if Haunts is on Gaf, Capcops are on Gaf and if Capcops are on Gaf, they'll take it serious and if they take it serious gg

buff yun please

 

[CountBlack]

Or instead of whining like idiots you guys could hit the lab and see what you're actually dealing with.

#ShitDJPlayersDealWith

Look at this shit

Dee Jay
Knee Shot: Damage 50->30
EX Machine Gun Upper: Pushback on block reduced
LK Sobat: Low invincibility during start-up removed
U2: Damage changed 501->460, Recovery on hit with animation decreased by 11f

From the arcade edition. The character isn't eem on the top 100.

 

[GuardianE]

How will ArcSys not screw this up.

Tiny active frames and loads of recovery.

 

[gutabo]

Someone should replace the random letters with the Dee Jay nerfs/hitbox pics.

 

[QisTopTier]

You care too much about a character that has consistently sucked in all versions of sf4

If you want to see a truly nerfed character follow seth's changes from sf4 to ultra

 

[alstein]

How will ArcSys not screw this up.

looks duckable, and you have a roll and AoA with autoguard in the game. I don't think that will be too bad.

 

[CountBlack]

Someone should replace the random letters with the Dee Jay nerfs/hitbox pics.

Seriously, don't let me down GAF

Q, at least Seth has had his chance at being a great character.

 

[BakedYams]

thanks for the response casper! im looking more into C++ to help me understand programming a bit more.

 

[TheChits]

Assassin's Fist is on
http://www.twitch.tv/machinima

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Xian will be happy:


Also seems like they added recovery for the first rekka(all versions) which means that even with the right spacing or if it's meaty LP rekka will always be at least -4...

Gackt am cry

 

[alstein]

I ask again: Will you buy Ultra or play a better game?

Most of us are FG fans, we'd do both.

Not to mention Ultra's coming after a long drought (esp if you're not a BB fan)- your only choice now would be importing Love Max, and there's no Dee Jay in Love Max.


As for the Dee Jay knee shot nerf, it's still buffed pretty huge off of what it was since it's got +3 more on hit so you can do good followups know. The ultra nerfs I don't know about those.

If I had to do a bet to avoid getting banned on GAF- I'd pick Dee Jay before I'd pick Dhalsim if I was forced to play one of the two characters, assuming I didn't know who the other person was picking and I'd be equally as meh with both characters.

(and no, I am not doing any ban bets in USF4)

 

[Silky]

Assassin's Fist is pretty good.

 

[casperOne]

You care too much about a character that has consistently sucked in all versions of sf4

If you want to see a truly nerfed character follow seth's changes from sf4 to ultra

Losing the air sniper was a huge, unecessary nerf IMO.

thanks for the response casper! im looking more into C++ to help me understand programming a bit more.

No problem. PM if you have other questions.

 

[Shito]

Is it me or is Elena nerfed?

Also...

Hugo
Hammer Hook: Changed hit level overhead -> high

What move is it?

 

[Marz]

Seriously, don't let me down GAF

Q, at least Seth has had his chance at being a great character.

Deejay did too. In SF2.

 

[Laconic]

Whoa, did Elena get a ton of nerfs or what? I thought she wasn't that great to begin with...

Really? Really Capcom? Someone needs to ever so delicately inform Capcom Japan that cocaine, LSD, heroine, and meth do not constitute the four major food groups.

 

[CountBlack]

Deejay did too. In SF2.

Oh shit DJ was top tier 20 years ago

Elena holding multiple L's too

Why can't I main my black characters without them being ass

 

[Laconic]

Oh shit DJ was top tier 20 years ago

Elena holding multiple L's too

Why can't I main my black characters without them being ass

Because you refuse to be type-cast as a Western Boxer?

 

[direct_quote]

Oh shit DJ was top tier 20 years ago

Elena holding multiple L's too

Why can't I main my black characters without them being ass

Dudley?

 

[Laconic]

Dudley?

Western Boxing, and possibly Dot Indian.

 

[notworksafe]

 

[CountBlack]

Because you refuse to be type-cast as a Western Boxer?

I pretty much main Balrog too lol, he's really boring though. I do use him when DJ can't get the job done.

Dudley?

I don't even know what Dudley is, that's why I only learned him then just let him be half baked.

 

[kirblar]

Elena's ability to do combos was buffed by buffing the moves she uses to link them, they then nerfed the specials used in the combos, is what I think is going on.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

So yeah, they buffed Dee Jay, then pretty much entirely nerfed him for the home release. LOL.

 

[Westlo]

^ Thankfully the nerf OP DJ petition worked.

Oh shit DJ was top tier 20 years ago

Elena holding multiple L's too

Why can't I main my black characters without them being ass

Should've played Sean in 2nd Impact.

Vanilla Sagat got hit with a feather duster compared to what Sean got hit from 2I to 3S.

 

[Shito]

Elena's ability to do combos was buffed by buffing the moves she uses to link them, they then nerfed the specials used in the combos, is what I think is going on.

I don't know, isn't c.LP her only buffed move?
Seems to me like all the other ones got nerfed, but then again I have a hard time making myself a strong opinion on her changes in that sea of numbers. ^^

 

[Laconic]

I pretty much main Balrog too lol, he's really boring though. I do use him when DJ can't get the job done.


I don't even know what Dudley is, that's why I only learned him then just let him be half baked.

I really want to rage over the cold-blooded murder of the Elena hype-train that Combo was building up. I really do. But after so many years, and four iterations where she did not make the cut, the pain has softened, and stage 5 has set in.

 

[kirblar]

I don't know, isn't c.LP her only buffed move?
Seems to me like all the other ones got nerfed, but then again I have a hard time making myself a strong opinion on her changes in that sea of numbers. ^^

Thought that was the one she's always using to link things after Mallet Smash? Or is that something else.

 

[Karsticles]

I pretty much main Balrog too lol, he's really boring though. I do use him when DJ can't get the job done.


I don't even know what Dudley is, that's why I only learned him then just let him be half baked.

Are you seriously saying that you refuse to learn Dudley because you aren't sure if he's black?

 

[Shito]

Thought that was the one she's always using to link things after Mallet Smash? Or is that something else.

I don't know, maybe, I haven't seen a lof of Elena's, and even less good ones.
Still, it's quite a lot of nerfs all along for just one easier link...

 

[Item Box]

Why did you let Sagat get nerfed like that Haunts? WHY?

dat u2 nerf

I haven't seen a sagat with tiger cannon since super's release

 

[Laconic]

I don't know, maybe, I haven't seen a lof of Elena's, and even less good ones.
Still, it's quite a lot of nerfs all along for just one easier link...

It killed my desire to buy the game, stone-dead. I accept it.

 

[Tik-Tok]

I think the idea is you'll need to change some of of your combos up with DeeJay.
The knee shot damage nerf is because it does more hit stun now which lets you combo in to harder hitting buttons after you hit them. So now instead of knee shit cr.lp or cr.lk you can do knee shot , close st.mk, st.hp, far. st mk, sobat if my numbers aren't off.

That seems like a lot of damage