piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
sitting in their cars on public roads, etc.
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Florida Man shot at Pokemon Go players parking on road outside his house at 1:30AM
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sitting in their cars on public roads, etc.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
because there is a gun violence problem in the usa
still doesn't mean anything close to "americans are all obsessed with guns"!!!
DeuceGamer
Member
I do agree we need better gun laws but I don't think they should be banned.
canedaddy
Member
No, there's a people problem.
spazchicken
Member
With everything that's going on, I don't trust the police with guns any more than my neighbor. They are supposed to be trained but they act just as paranoid and trigger happy as the gun owner in this story.
Remember that 6% of the US population (black males) made up 40% of ALL unarmed people of all races, shot by the police in 2015. Proven to be 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police than any other race in the US.
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There are countries in the Europe and Asia where officers walk around with clubs instead of guns, correct?
Take mine when you take theirs too. Let the military and SWAT be that deadly enforcer.
Astral Dog
Member
you must be joking, right ? because thats funny!
Pantaghana
Member
Mass shootings in the US are a daily occurrence. Europe doesn't have that problem with more than double the population.
US has a problem with fetishizing guns, I don't think that's up for debate.
Castle doctrine does not cover public right-of-way.
It doesn't apply here.
It doesn't matter what his paranoid ass thought. You don't have a right to pull a gun on people parked on the street, or to shoot at them when they drive off, if they haven't actually done anything to you.
This is so true. My first instinct would be to help.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
An interesting article on US gun crime. The numbers are horrendous.
"I'm gonna leave the safety of my home, to go confront a situation which I believe to be nefarious. I probably should just call the authorities, but why should I?...I has a gun..."
This exactly why da #&@$ you need much stricter gun-control laws in this place. Some a-holes think it is their duty go seeking out trouble(let's face it, that exactly what it was) because they are armed. Had he shot and killed anyone, we would have had another George Zimmerman case(minus a few obvious differences?) on our hands, with douchebag lawyers making a case for why this jackass with a gun did absolutely nothing wrong.
This exactly why da #&@$ you need much stricter gun-control laws in this place. Some a-holes think it is their duty go seeking out trouble(let's face it, that exactly what it was) because they are armed. Had he shot and killed anyone, we would have had another George Zimmerman case(minus a few obvious differences?) on our hands, with douchebag lawyers making a case for why this jackass with a gun did absolutely nothing wrong.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is straight up bullshit, lol. Anymore than ISIS attacks in Europe are a 'daily occurrence'.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
People need to chill the fuck out with this game. Use common sense, youngins. Parking outside of someone's house and being a loud d-bag at 1:30am in the morning, and you're asking for trouble. That being said, the dude bringing out his gun was a little overboard too. Could've called the police instead, but he does have a right to protect his property (in the US).
Enjoy Pokemon Go, and enjoy your life, but don't fuck with other peoples' lives in the process. Common sense is all.
Enjoy Pokemon Go, and enjoy your life, but don't fuck with other peoples' lives in the process. Common sense is all.
Read my link above. There were 372 mass shootings in the USA in 2015. To me that's MORE than one a day.
entremet
Member
I don't know anyone that has been a victim of gun violence thankfully.
Sometimes these threads make it appear that everyone here is a gun fetishist.
Please see:
There were 372 mass shootings, meaning four or more people shot, in 2015.There were 365 days last year. The math is pretty irrefutable.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They are fudging the term "mass shootings" just like the media bullshits with "assault rifle".
They are playing a semantics game. Gang related activities are coupled in there, where the FBI does not group in said category.
It is not the same as the traditional, "mass shooter" narrative that is normally reported on.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Glad that nobody was killed. Well, I guess it's time to ban Pokémon Go, because it's obviously the only reasonable way to prevent these kinds of things from happening
You wouldnt need a gun in the first place if your country didnt have awful gun laws. And even then, even in the US, the fear of home invasion is mostly unfounded paranoia.
Whether you think it's semantics or not, just read the article and actually digest how many people are killed or seriously injured by guns in the USA. I'm not a America hater, I'm really not. But man how the hell you can defend this shit is beyond fucked up.
Nice edit BTW ;-)
spazchicken
Member
I'm not talking about the kids in this story and I enjoy Pokémon Go but people are idiots, plain and simple.
I was at Sea World yesterday and there were signs everywhere asking people not to jump gates and into animal enclosures while playing. Then there's the guys who fell off a cliff (yes both of them) in the same city last week.
Natural selection.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
I think foreigners don't differentiate between Florida and the rest of USA. This is another story of an american gun lover gone wild and shooting at people and probably not even get sued because it was his "right".
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I am not defending anything, however, words can be twisted, just as, 'one a day'. Averages do not work if you want to report facts to a statement made... are there indeed 'one a day', no. One weekend in Chicago netted 60 shootings 2 weeks ago. I am not dismissing there is a problem, and refuting the semantics of 'one a day'.
Well, one has to seem to 'clarify' more in this thread, since there is some batshit way out in left field words being thrown into people's mouths out of a short sentences in this thread. Mainly based off of biases and certain perceptions.
*looks below*
My case in point, lol.
(Since I never denied a problem)
Oh, silly me! No gun problem then.
Fair enough, I don't know how mass shootings are categorised and I suppose when you say mass shootings it implies more than 4. But the article states it's how it is used and 4 is the number. But still having a shooting that involves 4 or more people once a day is pretty messed up.
Edit.. No worries about your edit
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No arguments there.
Conversely, I am very grateful to live in a country where some random dude can't decide if it's OK for me to be in the street at any given hour or if I should get a bullet because he was afraid I was plotting to kill him.
Also, isn't the right to bear arms included in an Amendment to the Constitution, not the Constitution itself? As I said, I'm not American, so I'm probably wrong here.
You're speaking of Public Mass Shootings whereas the rest of us are talking about plain and simple Mass Shootings.
The number of people who get shot in groups of four doesn't change with either definition. Only those shootings that count matter in one. Which is...semantics. To lower the number.
I agree.
And yup that's all it is. It's scary how little some people have of it.
Well, as long as it's just gang violence, I guess the USA doesn't really have a problem with people shooting each other.
RichiRamjag
Member
You'd be surprised at how true that really is.
ITT: Americans trying to defend gun problems by disputing what 'mass shooting' means, rather than address the issue of 372 incidents in which multiple people were shot in America in one year. And these are just the multi-person incidents, let alone gun accidents, crimes committed using guns, and single persons being shot.
A wild false equivalency appears!
This might surprise you, but people in gangs are still people. Often disadvantaged people.
Dragon Puncher
Member
Yep. This lunatic isn't going to be convicted for anything. Gotta love Florida..
Not taking a side in the gun argument....but i think we can all agree that you shouldn't be just blindly shooting at cars...
also...datapoint...there was another shooting today in which 3 police officers are dead...nothing to do with pokemon but since guns are being talked about....
also...datapoint...there was another shooting today in which 3 police officers are dead...nothing to do with pokemon but since guns are being talked about....
No shit, and often victims of gang violence are innocent bystanders but I'm not the one who posited that nobody in the US cared about gang violence.
RichiRamjag
Member
Sounds neutral.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yep, because I clearly said that.
But your 'average American' does not worry about being shot in a 'mass shooting' like a declarative statement of 'they happen once a day' would suggest with that angle of fear instilling.
No rational person is okay with senseless violence of any form, especially unjustified gun violence.
You'll never have unarmed officers here. Sometimes you just need a gun in certain criminal situations.
i fail to see where i took a side...is just mentioning a deadly shooting considering being against guns now?
So you think there can be justified gun violence?
There is no situation in which it can be. And don't say 'if someone else has a gun/comes at you with a gun' or whatever because that's the whole problem of the self-propagating vicious cycle of gun ownership. (If guns weren't allowed, you wouldn't need a gun to defend yourself from one).
mordecaii83
Member
As someone who has had their house nearly broken into twice this year and had a neighbor's house broken into and the person attacked, I can understand being nervous about a strange car parked in front of your house and fully support the idea of protecting yourself.
That said, shooting at a car that's driving away goes way too far, unless that person had been attacked first, and even then if they're fleeing you probably shouldn't be shooting..
Edited for clarity.
That said, shooting at a car that's driving away goes way too far, unless that person had been attacked first, and even then if they're fleeing you probably shouldn't be shooting..
Edited for clarity.
Okay, so then let's look at something more relevant to the average American, like school shootings. But that link's admittedly pretty old, so here's another one.
If they were sitting on a public road, This guy is gonna get a felony. If they were on a road in private property, That is a completely different story then and it would be the kids fault.
The guy went too far regardless and should of called the police along with asking what they were doing.
The guy went too far regardless and should of called the police along with asking what they were doing.
canedaddy
Member
Yes, the first 10 amendments, approved in the years immediately after the Constitution was ratified, are called the Bill of Rights. They were enshrined to limit the power of government over the citizenry and ensure individual liberty. They are the chief reason the United States became the greatest nation on earth and a beacon of freedom for people around the world.
Of course with freedom you open the door for people to take advantage and do terrible things. But I'll take it over enslavement to government any day.
Everybody is giving this poster shit but it's a valid fucking question. At 16 my parents didn't want me going outside, wondering the streets in the daytime, let alone go out night when it's 10 times more dangerous. Why the hell would they be parked in someone's residence at that time of the night? That's stupid and dangerous on their part cause that just shows signs of planned robbery to the common person. While the asshole was fucking trigger happy he had a legitimate reason to be concerned.
Hippo_PRIME
Member
I can't believe all the people blaming the teenagers in this situation. Apparently, using public roads is a dumb idea now. Sure, there are law enforcement personnel that have the job to investigate suspicious circumstances, but some teenagers using their phones on public roads and being teenagers apparently share some of the blame in this situation.
The cult of the gun is so disgusting in the US. Sure makes victim blaming easy.
The cult of the gun is so disgusting in the US. Sure makes victim blaming easy.
hydragonwarrior
Member
Cops do it all the time, he probably thought he was a cop.