Opus Angelorum
Member
I'm starting to think that myself, the damage was done and it seems some people aren't willing to change their outlook.
The car would still work without air conditioning
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Forza 5 will require a day 1 free DLC download
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I'm starting to think that myself, the damage was done and it seems some people aren't willing to change their outlook.
The car would still work without air conditioning
Play what? Ryse? Not Forza 5 by the look of it you won't even have the game loaded to play when downloading it anyway.
hooijdonk17
Member
The car would still work without air conditioning
And I explained that I was being generous to you with the analogy by conceding even the case where the game actually worked as presented on disc with minimal/incomplete cars/tracks.
sleeping_dragon
Banned
Seriously gaf? You guys whine a lot and this is too much, its only for a one time sign in and download of a mere few GB patch. I'm sure you guys can wait 15 mins to download and play the game.
Bony Manifesto
Member
This whole thing makes me wonder of the sanity of the people handling Microsoft's PR. With only minor changes (namely making the game playable out of the box) they could turn this into a positive thing - I'm sure a big free DLC pack of stuff they'd been working on between going gold and the launch would be well-received.
But no, they've not had any sort of plan for this and Dan Greenawalt has just casually dropped vague talk about requiring online activation and extra downloads (and fridges) into his usual Drivatar spiel.
But no, they've not had any sort of plan for this and Dan Greenawalt has just casually dropped vague talk about requiring online activation and extra downloads (and fridges) into his usual Drivatar spiel.
Was too much too soon. Enforcing it more gradually seems to be working out better.
Setup.exe
Downloading a day 1 patch and being always online is still a pretty big difference. A lot of the damage has already been done of coursem, but at this point MS has to be content to salvage some disgruntled customers.
NinjaCarrot
Member
The patch also has to be cert tested. As far as I'm aware, cert testing takes about 5 days for 360 titles, not sure how this is going to change for next gen.
Some great assumption you have there, everyone only need 15 minute to DL "few GB".
sechsterangriff
Member
Bad PR was hurting sales. If this becomes the rule, the outcome ends up very close to being the same.
Then wouldn't it make far more sense to release only the digital version on day 1 and delay the retail version 1/2 months when there's actually an entire game to be burnt on the disk?
This way you wouldn't ship a completely broken/useless physical product.
sechsterangriff
Member
If a game doesn't work out of the box, yes it's fucking broken.
The why bother pressing discs?
Opus Angelorum
Member
So delay the game you are suggesting?
the console doesn´t work when you buy it.. you also need a Day 1 patch for it to work.. is that also considered broken then..?
undu
Member
Do you intend to tell this to every single potential buyer? I'm asking because most won't know about this and Microsoft is not going to inform them about the issue, either.
Remember that people that can access information about this type of issue, through gaming websites is a minority, not a majority.
Phat Michael
Banned
I have not received the full product on the disc for many many years now - whether its a part of a game or a patch or an update - the fact is that discs go for production early to be tested and verified - then people still develop for the game when its going.
Also - did you actually read the article where it says that the game can be played and the additional content downloaded in the background while you play?
Ravensmash
Member
Logic dictates that if you're willing to spend hundreds on a brand new consumer product, you do a bit of research beforehand.
MS have put the information out there for those who seek it. What else do you want them to do? Start public addresses and parades?
sechsterangriff
Member
One is a piece of hardware of a console and the other is game software on a disk. There are very distinct expectations for each of those.
but the product you received Worked without the patch,. this product doesn´t..
Phat Michael
Banned
Again, quoting what it says in the OP for a 2nd time:
"And so what you get on the disc you buy at the store won’t be the entire game. You’ll need to download the rest of it from Xbox Live (which should be possible to occur as you play, Greenawalt clarified).
People are arguing without reading the OP - it says that yes the full game is NOT on the disk, but you download the rest of it while you play the beginning of the game.
Considering the state of some games that require a day 1 patch, this is highly debatable.
Bigmac1910
Member
We are mostly gamers here I assume, and we want to play every good game that is coming out regardless of platform. In this case Forza is a great franchise that I would love to play, it's just that the platform holder is screwing around. So I think it's worth discussing from a gamers perspective.
sechsterangriff
Member
Dude, it's a sub-intended point that you first have to "log in" to be able to play and download the patch. If you don't have a connection to "log in" (and subsequently to download the content) you're pretty much screwed.
I really wish I'm wrong though.
Xbox One Day 1 patch is nothing more than Microsoft policy for control. That patch could be easily distributed like regular firmware updates on game discs.
It also says that this download is necessary ("required") to be able to use the game. Which means, that, no, it will not work without downloading that extra piece of software. Whether or not the game qualifies as broken as a result of that is certainly debatable. However, the fact that it won't work out-of-the-box is plainly stated: "required content to play the game."
Ravensmash
Member
Again, this is the same for the console itself. I'd like to see the number of people intending to buy a new console at launch who lack access to the internet also.
IHaveCandy
Banned
Are they getting a real-time lighting engine?
It's not a simple patch though that's merely a few kilo or megabytes here. We're talking a significant chunk of content that is REQUIRED for the game to function at all. Online, offline, multiplayer, single player. Nothing will work without it. You must download this content or else the game won't work. Period.
People with shitty internet or bandwidth caps better pray it's not huge. This is essentially a form of DRM too.
Has no one considered the problem that after the unfinished game is sent out that something could go wrong in those 2 months? Something that would stop the mandatory patch from being ready on time. What if something goes wrong with the patch like when The Pit for Fallout 3 was released broken. Or in a situation where a patch causes problems on a retail system that it did not on the Dev ones.
sechsterangriff
Member
If people were confident they always have access to the Internet at all times or that servers don't get pooped, the 180 wouldn't have happened.
dragonelite
Member
They have baked lighting so my guess is no.
Dan said something about no time for it.
So we will know with forza 6 if that is the real reason.
Could be that the tech is in there but they just choose not to do night tracks yet.
Needs extra design time and stuff to light and make it look good at night given this thread they are already time constrained like every launch day dev.
So the game will not work without the downloadable stuff?
I thought it was just extra cars and tracks and that the core of the game was on the disc..?
it says in the article that you are required to log on to Live once to get the game working.
Bigmac1910
Member
Seriously, what kind of games are talking about that only give you part of a game on the disc? Because all I can think of is day one DLC pre-order bonuses, but other than that the full game has always been on the disc.
About Forza: I missed that it should (will it work, who knows) be able to download the DLC in the background while playing. I guess these kind of things are what bothers me with MS at the moment, vague info, have to do more and more just to play the game. What ever happened to just pop the disc in and play?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Wow. Forza is a refrigerator now? Great analogy.
Portugeezer
Gold Member
I'm guessing later Xbone models won't require a day 1 patch, just the early SKUs.
I think that when Dan said that you could download while playing,
he meant download the extra tracks & cars while playing Forza 5
I guess only two types of people still keep on going like forza wont be even bootable:
those who didn't bother to read the interview, and those who just want to curse microsoft at any chance they get...
If you want to curse at microsoft, lets join up and curse together to either remove the kinect from the xbox,
or at least make it possible that we can physically unplug the stupid thing and throw it away.
this way the cursing wont be for nothing.
Damage control. Just look at the Kinect - it requires downloadable updates to continue functioning. Given the deep integration of the device to the One, you won't be able to use the console without updating Kinect. Which of course requires an internet connection.
The console is too far integrated into the initial vision of an always-online device. Just about ever facet looks to incorporate it in its primary function.
The problem isn't in the practicality.
The problem is that shipping an unfinished game is quite cheeky, considering that's what you pay for. Potential problems might arise. Delays are not unheard of, so what happens if the day 1 "patch" isn't ready on time?
The assumption is you buy something, it works. There should be no extra step involved. This is unheard of (well apart from the console itself).
And quite frankly, the whole thing reeks of online activation. How much content are they going to be able to seriously work on within a couple of weeks?
Burning Justice
the superior princess
This means the game will become worthless once Microsoft shuts down their servers. Urgh.
Coulomb_Barrier
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