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Forza 5 will require a day 1 free DLC download
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Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
He could be posting from work or his phone. Yes yes, he can simply tether his phone to the console in order to get the gigs of assets for the game.
Not everyone buys physical copies just because of digital or that they have poor speed, etc. I buy physical copies of games because I'm guaranteed to play the games that I bought years down the road for nostalgia.
The only time I buy a game that's digital is if they're digitally exclusive (like some indie games, & other games like Mega Man 9 & 10, Dust: An Elysian Tail, etc., as well as other games from PSN/XBLA).
SEGAvangelist
Member
They could play on laptops. Some of them may, who knows? Like I said, hopefully MS doesn't make this a recurring thing for the military gamers out there, but that population probably won't affect sales very much. 1,388,028 are currently deployed. That's .04% of the US population. You can see why (financially) MS would overlook this population, though negative word of mouth could hurt them for sure.
CassiusLonginus
Banned
Ok... yeah...I am the same way too. But what I was answering to that user was about how it is faulty logic that just because one has some form of internet access, that downloading gigs of data is not a problem.
SEGAvangelist
Member
That's changing, though. Online elements are being added to nearly all games, and developers are doing this on purpose (Ubisoft seems to be a big culprit of this, but Bungie is no better, really). MS pushed it along before it happened naturally, though, and I do think they were wrong for that.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Considering the load times and UI made the game unplayable for me at launch and now seems night and day different, not to mention all the offline tweaks made via updates like tire wear, AI, mechanical damage, among many other things, I would say yes. It is a required update. And not a big deal. This isn't a big deal either.
I honestly think we won't see this again after launch and it might just be this one single title as this is a rush for launch issue imo, we don't know yet. Now for some online only games (destiny, titanfall, mmo's, etc.) it's a different story, but I think this will almost be a one off and people are freaking out for no reason. No one is forcing you to buy this game, wait for the "GOTY or Special Edition" or just reprint that comes out after with everything on the disc... yes that's not guaranteed to happen, but I'd peg it as almost a guarantee.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Really, I don't think day1 dlc warrants an exhaustive discussion that culminates in the inevitable tinfoil hat theorizing and conspiracy. What's funny is, this strategy does give the devs the benefit of more time, so I'm willing to take a wait and see approach. Besides, it's not like they aren't going to release a 'special edition' with all the dlc 3-6 months later
Regardless, I think if your Internet is an issue, you shouldn't have to bend over backwards to accommodate Microsoft. I'd invest in a PS4 or Wiiu.
Basically this. I'd be surprised if a month down the road MS didn't just add that content to new runs of the standard Forza 5 discs. I'd think it'd just be launch discs that need the update.
ParenegadeM
Banned
I buy most of my games physical for one reason: price. Physical is usually cheaper.
I still wonder how this game will actually play. Since it's obvious they're not even done with getting the game functional on the disc, I wonder how much of that demo build will differ from the finished product. Do we have another Aliens Colonial Marines on our hands where a hand-built demo completely misrepresents an upcoming product?
completely reasonable jump
Diablohead
Member
dude, I can post on forums from my phone over 3G, doesn't mean I would want to tether and download multiple gigs on it.
When I lived away from home for a few years I had the worst of the worst internet, it was always slow and only just about worked with youtube, I had stupid small daily caps because I was in a shared 10 story student building and had to pay an arm and a leg for it, back then my 360 was offline for a good 6 months until I worked out a way to get it online through my pc and downloading one single forza 2 track took all my internet up for the day plus more, and took multiple hours to do so.
So saying that posting here means the patch would not effect you is bullshit.
Because without it at launch xbone bundles wouldn't sell. Oh wait.... how much will they cost? 699$?
And that's one of the reasons why I liked gaming before Microsoft came along & would love for Microsoft to get out of the gaming industry & to be replaced with another competitor. Heck, I would rather have Sega back in the hardware business, & both the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive & Dreamcast were good systems.
Microsoft's the devil of the gaming industry & have done nothing good for gamers. Pushing people to pay for online multiplayer, getting them to accept DRM, etc. It's ridiculous.
Teletraan1
Banned
It is a bad president that a lot of people don't want to continue. Day 1 patches were bad enough. Buying a coaster unless you download a day 1 DLC is a whole new ballgame. I doubt it will continue but with the way MS has handled the reveal of this console I can see where the apprehension comes from. Personally as someone with fast internet this aspect doesn't bother me. I could see how others with smaller download caps who buy physical media so they don't have to download the games might have an issue with it.
There is also the issue of being able to play this game in some form in 20 years if you only have the disc you purchased and none of this downloaded data. False equivalencies aside with people suggesting the same fate for Destiny I wouldn't be attempting to play any online game or use any online feature in 20 years but the single player experience should be intact. I play 20 year old single player games all the time. When something like this comes along and endangers that I take issue with it.
I find it laughable that the usual suspects in this thread are suggesting that a complete version of the game might come out at a later date that you can purchase again. So people are honestly suggesting with a strait face to buy 2 copies of this game just so you can get the complete product you paid for without being at the mercy of someone flicking a switch to make it worthless. That is gross and very indicative of the way this industry has conditioned people. I remember buying a product and getting it home and using it until I grew tired of it and put it away to be played at a later date, or I knew didn't want it anymore and sold it. There was no 3rd party dictating those terms to me.
Really, who cares about this? Have we all really disconnected our devices from the internet? Give me a break. It's no different than a patch and a little bit of DLC. And the DLC is free. If you don't have a connection to the internet for this game, you're going to miss out on most of the functionality anyway. Also you won't be playing upcoming games like Titanfall, Destiny or The Division. Have PS+ for all of those free games? Guess you won't be D/Ling those.
Is it a hassle? Only slightly, but no more than the patches I have to D/L almost every time I boot up my PS3 or 360.
Is it a hassle? Only slightly, but no more than the patches I have to D/L almost every time I boot up my PS3 or 360.
FairXchange
Member
How are you missing that one has to be online to download in the first place?
CassiusLonginus
Banned
I think that is exaggeration to be honest.
Let's not get alarmist. Also the people thinking already this will be some sort of pattern outside launch time. We should wait and see.
I do think the game may have some lingering bugs or some optimizations that don't get addressed in time for launch, but to compare to Aliens CM is just absolute hyperbole.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
This isn't what people are saying... They are noting for people who cannot download this day 1 they'll probably be able to wait a month or two and buy the game then and second run copies will have the "DLC" built in. This seems like just a launch timeframe issue.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Sega would have chosen the same route as MS if they existed in the same form today, or did you not see their Dreamcast online push? If you want to blame anyone, blame Apple. Their success with Itunes got this whole thing started.
Vestal
Gold Member
yup if you narrow your view to what they have done that you think is wrong.
At the same time ignoring all of the innovations they have brought to gaming. They have pretty much forced their competition to improve their extremely crappy online infrastructure, provided various features first that have now been adopted industry wide. But hey its M$
How can it not be a free download? You have to in order to play a game you already paid $60 for.
FairXchange
Member
Are there any other games at launch for Xbox One that require a day 1 patch to play the game? Is Forza the only one?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Let's not forget that games still cost as much as they did when the NES was popular... that's a LONG time ago. This price would not be the same with more competitors in the market.
sechsterangriff
Member
Except it's not. You get a worse experience that's for sure, but it is a working game.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
So far just Forza. Which is why it seems like Turn 10 is being honest here and needing a bit more time.
Could you have just cancelled the updates and played the game normally?
Yes.
Could you do the same with Forza 5?
No.
Your argument fails, try again.
Right now Forza is the only one that we know of.
maybe Ryse will have a day one patch.. you have to download it, or else the game will play it self.. in short.. we don´t know.
Nonexistinghero
Banned
When World War III arrives I'll be enjoying my Nintendo Wii U games while you're trying to figure out how to play your Xbox One games when the internet's destroyed.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Pretty sure it's at least 75% of NeoGAF. We should really organize a money-raising benefit for them.
Vestal
Gold Member
kickstarter maybe?
My PS3 is hooked up to the 65" LED TV we have in our living room, it's nowhere near a router or wired access point. It works fine because the PS3 has built in wifi.
Guess what happens when I plug my 360 into that TV? I have to play offline. And it works.
Is it really hard to imagine someone in my situation but without a decent wifi connection? Setting up wifi is a mystery to people.
Don't make bullshit assumptions.
SEGAvangelist
Member
We might need to host it in portions in that case, though.
Well, it's a good thing that I never buy Apple products, I guess.
Wait so your PS3 is hooked up to your big TV in the living room... and thats ok cause it has built in wifi, meaning you have your ps3 hooked up to the wifi?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Care to back that up with a quote? Here are a few quotes stating the opposite,
IGN said:
Greenawalt said:
Concerning the content to be downloaded,
Greenawalt said:
IGN said:
IGN said:
Funny you'd say that...
"Youll need to download the rest of it from Xbox Live (which should be possible to occur as you play, Greenawalt clarified)."
Right from the OP.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Somnia +1
Teletraan1
Banned
Is this a common practice? Outside of GOTY editions or if some form of litigation might be present ala "Hot Coffee" is this a common practice for second runs to incorporate vastly different data on the disc. I just don't see MS incurring any sort of financial loss or putting any sort of effort to do this unless they were facing a sales upswing that a GOTY would bring or if they were going to be sued over something on the disc. Seems like a bunch of hopes and dreams bs if you ask me but I would be interested in how often this happens.
i think you are right.
dan does say in the article though that once logged in, you can then play the game as the remaining content is downloaded, which is where the confusion comes from.
CouldBeWorse
Member
I think most people understood that, but it should have been an opt in choice on a game-by-game basis, instead of a mandatory policy. If you opt in, you are choosing to have the perks and restrictions of their proposed system. If not, you are free to treat discs like we treat them today.
It's a win win for consumers AND for Microsoft as they could continue to incentivize people to opt in without pissing off people who can't opt in.
SEGAvangelist
Member
That's PC. Physical is usually cheaper for consoles, but PSN and Xbox Live are starting to change that over the last 6 months or so.
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