Here. Took me 10 fucking seconds to find yt recording of that EXACT scene.That game = Forspoken.
Listen dude, we all agree that cinematics in TLOU games are second to none. We're just arguing about principle of using bullshots and trying to pass them as in-game footage as experienced in the final game.
Does the game looks like this (posted by you, of course):
Duplicate this shot in the game, then we'll talk.
Yeah agree but what about that screen shot is not representative of the game? If its not improved or touched up is what I mean?
both! emphatically so!
wtf are you doing man. stop
Represent.
ChiefDada I don't know what's happening in this thread anymore man. Maybe it's time we leave.
People are falling over Alan Wake just brute forcing graphics with Path Tracing while true state of the art games with amazing mix of techniques and ideas are called last gen. Sure, let's brute force all out graphics on 4090 next.
Seriously. This is how tlou part1 looks on a freaking ps5. The same ps5 that Alan Wake2 struggles to run at 30fps, has worst image quality, shadows, ssr and grain this gen.
BUT IT'S SO AMAZING BECAUSE WE CAN FORCE PATH TRACING ON A GOOD PC wow such tech.
The screenshots I posted were from my game playing on my ps5 in real time. Not any portfolios or renders.
This one is in-game. Just enabled photo mode to remove character. It's not even a shot from cutscene. And I only played it for an hour... I will have more shots when I finally play it.
And that game got 40fps mode and 60 and even unlocked performance mode that's close to 90fps.
And sure, it's baked but the effect is still amazing and specularity moves with the camera. Lighting on your character changes naturaly. It's not just static static.
And here is me placing red floodlight in the scene with photo mode. They don't just have some dumb bake. There is some soft of software gi at play too
Really all I'm saying is that Alan Wake 2 gameplay, at times, looks better than any game ever made. There's not a single gameplay scene of TLOU Part II that looks as good as this:
or this:
or this:
As I said earlier, TLOU II remains unmatched in cutscenes and animations, but it's been surpassed in pretty much every other way. I do agree with you that Naughty Dog is the master of optimizing the hardware they're on whereas Alan Wake has more of a brute force approach that really rewards high end hardware and doesn't shine as much on consoles.
Im sorry chief but when you start claiming that building assets from a hightier cgi marvel movie and a barely nextgen ps5 game are comparable then your argument becomes rather nonsensical and the fact that you're doubling down is rather scary.
Perhaps. But thats the point i was trying to make. We nitpick current gen games, but not last gen titles. When Arkham knight came out, we all agreed it was the best looking game at the time despite the fact that the Order was out and both Order and Ryse were pushing higher fidelity character model and asset quality. It was just understood that Arkham Knight had its strengths and weaknesses, but overall fidelity is what mattered back then.
Cory had five years to get his new IP ready for full production. He is not there yet. The SSM team is doing the same thing ND did with TLOU Remake. They have nothing to work on and because they arent greedy cunts who will lay off everyone, they are having people work on a useless DLC. Neil did the same thing after shipping TLOU2. Had nothing lined up for his team then to make matters worse, he pissed off to make his tv show before being called back a year and a half later. Piss poor management by Cory and Neil who are the best directors over at sony.The b team is making a dlc, corey is still doing his new thing.
Yeah he should hope in insomniac, maybe they are gonna steal a combat or stealth system from another brand for wolverine, so much talent, such big ambition
Ragnarock really killed your goldfish and stole your girlfriend during college uh?
I posted my impressions here. Snow levels look fine. Cloudy conditions look fine. But most other levels are simply lacking trackside detail that we have now come to expect from Forza Horizon, the Crew and even the GT series. It doesnt look as bad as the Senua screenshot of course, but man some of the cities have really poor LODs and the trees in a lot of track look really really low quality. It gave me a new appreciation for GT Sports actually.I don’t know where you get this from.
I played driveclub recently and it looks incredible aside from aliasing.
I replayed uncharted 4 this years and took 300 screenshots again. It still looks better than most games. The only areas these PS4 games lack behind is lod distance.
If you are looking for flaws, you will find them. But you are so cherry picking bad from last gen and good from this. And you might not be doing it on purpose but this is how it looks
These are old games now. Of course they are missing some tech. But games like aw2 have their own problems. Contrast suck, everything is baked on consoles just like ND games. You can’t even see the faces in gameplay. I found myself adjusting hdr too many times because some forest levels looked so flat that it ale became a mush of grey.
The clear win this gen is lod and objects geometry. But that doesn’t automatically means games win.
And yes. That ff16 forest is incredible. It’s the 2nd level as adult Clive. It is the best looking forest I’ve ever seen. There are no good lighting conditions. The time of day is baked like these other games and whole forest looks amazing. Even better when you step outside. The highs are so high that I don’t think it should matter that other parts of the game look like ps3 mmo game
Yeah I can understand that. hopefully ps5/next gen (this gen) games are finally beating these older games.
You should play rdr2, it's the only game that is close to tlou2 in terms of animations, and beats tlou2 for some things because of the euphoria engine.God tier.
Animation man. Makes all the difference. ND makes everyone else look amateurish. Its why TLOU 2 and Part 1 will look good in motion 5 years from now.
Im supposed to think RE4 and Dead Space surpassed this?
Look at this womans eyes in GAMEPLAY as she gets stabbed. Look at the way her body just folds as she dies. No other game is doing this, not this gen, not last gen.
ND gave us cutscene quality death animations in fucking gameplay.
You are mistaking color transfer for stupid "bullshot" accusation. If you go and play for yourself you will see that the real time cinematic looks exactly like the developer screenshot. Even more so in vivid tv mode as @Represent correctly predicted. The PS5 capture excessively removes color data away from the captures. Again you can test for yourself but whether or not you're truthful or will own up to your mistake is another matter entirely.
Compare my PS5 capture screenshot vs off screen video you can see color data is missing in the direct capture.
Vs. "Bullshot/CG" claim
SlimySnake
To add to what I've said in asnwer to your post above.
But no one is doing that. We literally said that TLOU2 was the benchmark last gen and used that to show Alan Wake 2 looks next gen. If anything, we are paying it a compliment.
This is why every time i talk about this game, i make sure to mention the cutscenes look a generation ahead and that they were done by Naughty Dog while the base game was done by someone else.
Jesus Christ, I cant believe all this nonsense started over an artist's portfolio pic.No this is what the actual game looks like.
Absent is all those dozens of added EXPENSIVE shadow casting lights.
Replacing the 512 to 1k textures with 4k cloth, face, eyes, skin, props textures.
Using cinematic lighting and shading settings.
And just to point out, cinematic settings IS NOT cut-scene.
Cut-scenes run on the actual settings of the game which are most times low/medium depending on the console game.
Unreal Engine for example has low, medium, high, epic (ultra) and then cinematic.
So no, calling this "in-engine real-time cutscene" would waive away all the huge texture, lighting and material changes that been done just to prepare this one single frame.
Its not a cutscene, its simple a picture for a portfolio piece that's done ALL the time.
You either use solo of your character or you use a cutscene shot of your character within a scene.
The term "CG" simply indicates its not real-time or not intended for real-time.
Notice I didn't say it "looks CG" but that IT IS CG!
You are mistaking color transfer for stupid "bullshot" accusation. If you go and play for yourself you will see that the real time cinematic looks exactly like the developer screenshot. Even more so in vivid tv mode as @Represent correctly predicted. The PS5 capture excessively removes color data away from the captures. Again you can test for yourself but whether or not you're truthful or will own up to your mistake is another matter entirely.
Compare my PS5 capture screenshot vs off screen video you can see color data is missing in the direct capture.
Vs. "Bullshot/CG" claim
I think those indoor beach house and drake's apartment pics are just godly and still look absolutely mindblowing, but sadly the rest of the game's interiors didnt come close to that. my guess is that the artists went ham in those interiors because they are the tiny levels with most of the rendering budget went into lighting. whereas uncharted 4 is a much bigger game with literally open world levels far bigger than anything we got in uncharted 1-3 or even tlou 1.
Uncharted 4 (and some other games we talk about here) are still incredibly effective because of illusion of good graphics they created.
I have plenty of shots, so I hope you don't mind me sharing.
I think I know what's going on. Games are finally starting to look and doo in real time, what Uncharted 4 have baked in extremely high quality.
Exactly like my shots below. The uncharted 4 bake quality is still higher than real time path tracing we can achieve and certainly got way higher image quality on account that it's not really calculating anything.
The next thing why it's so compelling is because they have a good Gi in levels where you operate a torch or flashlight. Dynamic objects rarely stand out in the scene as compared to other baked in games.
Again - I've not captured many shots of that but the distant geometry and foliage is the worst thing that doesn't stand up a test of time.
So yeah - if games start doing this shit in real time this gen, maybe next gen it will reach this image quality at it too.
Not adding grease to fire but this is exactly how ps5 captures HDR screenshots. It compresses to 300kb jpg and converts to sdr. It still looks good. Way better than hdr to sdr conversion done by steam for example.
But it's the reason why I post pictures of my tv when I show forspoken shots. That game looks black and white on screenshots lol
btw - Playing in SDR ,the screenshot would look better than HDR to SDR shots.
Anyway: HDR screenshots (converted by ps5) vs playing actually on oled hdr
OK this first one is a bit overexposed but still:
In horizon, you can see how much more DETAIL HDR actually reveals in the picture. amazing.
And obligatory Forspoken because I have to.
Dude, this explains so much. I was just arguing that gifs do not convey what im seeing on my screen just the other day. Even the videos. if i capture videos in HDR and see them in hdr on youtube, they look like they lose all the detail. its extremely frustrating because we literally cant trust our eyes anymore.Not adding grease to fire but this is exactly how ps5 captures HDR screenshots. It compresses to 300kb jpg and converts to sdr. It still looks good. Way better than hdr to sdr conversion done by steam for example.
But it's the reason why I post pictures of my tv when I show forspoken shots. That game looks black and white on screenshots lol
btw - Playing in SDR ,the screenshot would look better than HDR to SDR shots.
Anyway: HDR screenshots (converted by ps5) vs playing actually on oled hdr
OK this first one is a bit overexposed but still:
In horizon, you can see how much more DETAIL HDR actually reveals in the picture. amazing.
And obligatory Forspoken because I have to.
My tv is also set to warm50 (close to d65) and game optimizer mode which is most accurate. all AI crap disabled. I was playing those games with Dynamic Tone Mapping HDR but it could be HGIG. I cant remember
haha yeah. Funny thing is I only played tlou on 1080p ips lcd when it came out.... I am yet to paly it on oled with HDR, 1440p(like ps4 pro bc) and 60fps.
You really should.
I have only just seen daytime in the game for the first time just now,and it blew me away with how real some of it looks.It is pretty cool, right?
SlimySnake
At all times, tbh. Although I will agree that tlou2 has fucking great animation. In terms of environment realism, alan wake 2 is and will be the best for a long time mefinks.Really all I'm saying is that Alan Wake 2 gameplay, at times, looks better than any game ever made. There's not a single gameplay scene of TLOU Part II that looks as good as this:
or this:
or this:
As I said earlier, TLOU II remains unmatched in cutscenes and animations, but it's been surpassed in pretty much every other way. I do agree with you that Naughty Dog is the master of optimizing the hardware they're on whereas Alan Wake has more of a brute force approach that really rewards high end hardware and doesn't shine as much on consoles.
Really all I'm saying is that Alan Wake 2 gameplay, at times, looks better than any game ever made. There's not a single gameplay scene of TLOU Part II that looks as good as this:
or this:
or this:
As I said earlier, TLOU II remains unmatched in cutscenes and animations, but it's been surpassed in pretty much every other way. I do agree with you that Naughty Dog is the master of optimizing the hardware they're on whereas Alan Wake has more of a brute force approach that really rewards high end hardware and doesn't shine as much on consoles.
not higher quality at all. I had a similar thought earlier, but after some careful looking, and also having a brain, I was able to deduce that that's not true. regardless, alan wake is pre-baked, and then path traced, so the resolve and final quality shits all over unchy
Uncharted 4 (and some other games we talk about here) are still incredibly effective because of illusion of good graphics they created.
I have plenty of shots, so I hope you don't mind me sharing.
I think I know what's going on. Games are finally starting to look and doo in real time, what Uncharted 4 have baked in extremely high quality.
Exactly like my shots below. The uncharted 4 bake quality is still higher than real time path tracing we can achieve and certainly got way higher image quality on account that it's not really calculating anything.
The next thing why it's so compelling is because they have a good Gi in levels where you operate a torch or flashlight. Dynamic objects rarely stand out in the scene as compared to other baked in games.
Again - I've not captured many shots of that but the distant geometry and foliage is the worst thing that doesn't stand up a test of time.
So yeah - if games start doing this shit in real time this gen, maybe next gen it will reach this image quality at it too.
Seems the same to me, maybe with some color correct but no new lights or anything, The picture on the profile is just very uncompressed.
almost AW2 level. Reflections + GI + Foliage + General Asset Quality just aren't quite there. And some interiors look fucking awful. Fog effects look nice. Seriously, though, Lumen and middle quality pre-baking just isn't enough to be convincing. Overall, really impressive, and for an aa game, it's goddamn incredible. Once devs figure out how to shake the "unreal engine look" I think that we'll start seeing some crazy shit. I stand by it being better than unrecord, though. Unrecord isn't pretty.It is pretty cool, right?
yeah, the last of us looks last gen here.
I totally agree, but it doesn't look better for any graphical reasons, its the same lights,shadows, models and most liekly texturesOne looks better than the other, that's all I can say. I don't want another snowflake reporting me to the mods.
