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JonTron (youtuber) speaks against demographic "invasion" of America by nonwhites
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Cue PewDiePie citing racists to defend JonTron from the vile "media".
This entire thing must've been some sort of post modern performance art piece by Jon.
What an imbecile, I hope he loses sponsors and followers only to end up with a vitriolic, garbage-spewing base that will do him no good when either a) this post-truth/fact/Trump reality comes to an end or b) we all perish in the inevitable nuclear holocaust.
Love his stuff, really do, so it's going to suck not giving him the time of day by my god has he made it unbelievably easy to ditch him like the piece of garbage he is.
What's wrong with you?
From one 2nd generation Iranian immigrant to another, get your life together pedarzag.
What an imbecile, I hope he loses sponsors and followers only to end up with a vitriolic, garbage-spewing base that will do him no good when either a) this post-truth/fact/Trump reality comes to an end or b) we all perish in the inevitable nuclear holocaust.
Love his stuff, really do, so it's going to suck not giving him the time of day by my god has he made it unbelievably easy to ditch him like the piece of garbage he is.
What's wrong with you?
From one 2nd generation Iranian immigrant to another, get your life together pedarzag.
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Deleted member 10571
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A lot of people seem to think there's some kind of "new" Jontron who suddenly changed all his original beliefs. Pretty sure that's not the case, he just didn't talk about it or got caught before. There is no sudden "..I should try being a racist" moment in most people's lives.
SerTapTap
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"Rich black people commit more crime than poor whites" is not an opinion. That's a racist and objectively verifiable statement, so if you're going to make it you damn well better be able to show that it's true or it's just you being a racist moron.
Even a scumbag like you can't pretend this wasn't about race dude. Don't try.
UziTheBeast
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Who would defend him? It would be career suicide. Hell I would expose him even more but I bet Youtube would take me down for "damaging their precious assets".
He isn't arguing conservative politics vs. liberal. He arguing for white nationalism, his argument is "non-white people are bad, they commit more crimes. America should be a white cultural country".
That isn't conservative. That isn't Republican vs. Democrat. That is racism. That isn't "politics".
I do think that is true to some extent actually, in the sense that he was more or less indifferent/didn't care back when politics was boring and "uncool", but with the advent of anti-PC culture with gamer gate and Trump, he has been radicalized into a useful idiot. Why he chose to go down this path though is beyond me, if I had to guess its because he thought everything was hunky dory in his life and he hated the idea that maybe, just maybe things weren't as good for everyone as they seemed- he wanted to maintain the illusion of a society without problems while propping himself up as "one of the good ones". And once he got in, there was no turning back- he just went deeper and deeper until he arrived at the point where we are now.
Manmademan
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Just because race is not an actual concept doesn't mean people don't make decisions based around fiction anyway.
I'd be here all day if I wanted to dredge up examples of people doing horrific things because God told them to. That doesn't mean their God (or at least that interpretation of it) is real, it means people are capable of making irrational and terrible decisions based on nonsense.
RACE doesn't exist because it can't be defined in any meaningful way.
RACISM as a behavior exists, but it's not based on anything concrete. How it actually impacts someone is going to vary person to person and day to day: even down to legislation. Some of the old school Jim Crow era racist laws were virtually impossible to enforce on anyone light skinned enough to "pass" as non black to a casual viewer.
SerTapTap
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I wish we'd stop calling it "white nationalism", that term doesn't make any sense. We're not a white nation and there's zero point at which you could say there is any form of "right" for "whites" to own the nation.
It'd old fashioned white supremacy, that's all it is. Even white nationalism is whitewashing it.
BoogieWoogie
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Why on earth does Jontron live in NYC, the biggest melting pot in the country, if he believes all this shit?
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Maybe he was simply acting opportunistically.
He must have thought to himself: "Never in my life time have there been a better time or political climate in America in which to come out of the closet as a racist and a bigot. The time for me to shine is now!"
He must have thought to himself: "Never in my life time have there been a better time or political climate in America in which to come out of the closet as a racist and a bigot. The time for me to shine is now!"
Manmademan
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You think racists don't exist in NYC?
smudge
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I concur, I used to watch him loads in SC2 days. I tuned out because he plays league too much but I watch his non-league stuff. Whereas I've never really watched any Jontron stuff. Although I am enjoying Destiny's recent skype conversations. Although he talks to some idiots sometimes. (yes, worse than Jontron)
...only to see, in horror, that the wax his wings were made of began to melt from the heat.
I mean, he moved there because of business opportunities, so I'm not sure whether the greater irony is that he lives in NYC or the fact that he grew up in California.
Adam_Vania
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i sincerely hope ironic/"performance" racism starts going by the wayside. worst trend ever, what is with everybody acting like a pseudo intellectual these days? you realize acting like an asshole is still being an asshole, right?
racist language is violent language. it doesn't matter if you are "above it all" or making some statement about how about it all you are, you are spreading violent language.
not saying there is zero comedy to be found but we aren't talking George Carlin and Eddy Murphy here, these are mostly barely literate people raised on Family Guy and South Park.
The Lamonster
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Haven't read through the whole thread yet, but has Ethan (H3H3) commented on this at all yet?
Iva Demilcol
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I was about to ask that when I read he said something like "diluting the genetic pool"
Closer Two
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I'm aware of that, it's just that he himself decided to challenge Jon. I just found his methods of arguing kind of odd. Thankfully Jon took himself out with his lack of knowledge on everything.
FinalStageBoss
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what a piece of trash
the_milkybar_kid
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From the little I've seen of him in the past, the bloke (and I use that term loosely) seems like a massive dickhead. I don't know how he's gained as much attention as he has.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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*Brings up White Supremicists and Neonazis supporting Jontron*
Jontron's response:
"Why don't you denounce all the communists in your movement"
How fucking stupid can you go JonTron?
Jontron's response:
"Why don't you denounce all the communists in your movement"
How fucking stupid can you go JonTron?
beliefs aside, why all this "celebrities" have the urge to suicide themselves showing their true colors?
Is cool that everyone has an opinion (well, in this case jontron opinions are not cool) but is mindblowing that you want to destroy your revenue so bad just because you want to show your shitty beliefs on twitter
Is cool that everyone has an opinion (well, in this case jontron opinions are not cool) but is mindblowing that you want to destroy your revenue so bad just because you want to show your shitty beliefs on twitter
benicillin
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I mean, at least online this is pretty true. It's easier to be an outspoken alt-right racist and bigot online right now than it is to be an outspoken progressive. Brainless drones will flock to and promote every video you make, anyone who criticizes you will be harassed by a sizeable group of zealots - all for fighting "the good fight" against those "damn SJWs."
I wish they would do a video. OH MAN.
ãInaba Residentã
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He'll either downplay it or won't make a video at all.
Triggerhappytel
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Lol, holy shit; he thinks there's not discrimination in America any more!!!!
OmnipotentO
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At around 15m 20s John: "A nation is supposed to be a people that are all bound by, at least, culture if not genetics"
Genetics? Genetics?? Really? I'm fucking done. This is disgusting.
Genetics? Genetics?? Really? I'm fucking done. This is disgusting.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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Non European Caucasian immigrant moves to America and suddenly thinks hes part of the tribe.
Garrett Hawke
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last time he just made some shitty joke about it on twitter『Inaba Resident』;231967545 said:
patiently waiting for the outcome tbh
Follow-up question should be: "What are you basing that on?"
Maybe when Jontron's views stagnate and he begins making less than forty times the amount of the average person his age in the US, then maybe (MAYBE) his tune will change.
This is a typical political debate in 2017.
Aeriscloud
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This is the most incredible thing to me as well. For months on GameGrumps he would go on and on about NYC talking about the culture and the history, yet he doesn't understand the debate Destiny was having with him about Irish and Italian Americans in the past. How do you live in the most diverse city on the planet, the center of the melting pot, and live this completely blind life.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Because they like attention? Also, I'm sure he has more than enough money to live off of, so it's not like it's something he really has to worry about anyhow. They do it after they've made a lot of money.
Sleight of Jam
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Not that I'm aware of. TBH I doubt he'd do one though due to the relationship between them. Probably wouldn't want to touch this.
Gotdatmoney
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So how is it not an actual concept?
For all intents and purpose race is a real thing. Again. You think the police target people because of their ethnicity or do you think they target you because your black? Playing stupid on this issue doesn't help solve the problem. Just becauae skin color is an arbitrary state it doesn't mean it doesn't have a real social implicationn.
Whole countries have been able to assign and recognize race based on sets of ifentifiers. It's a social construct but that doesn't mean its not real.
You literally can't have racism if you don't acknowledge race. What are you even talking about? As I said it's a social construct not a scientific fact so it is fluid and not always obvious but that doesn't make it fake. It has real implications. You can't have wave it because it isn't 100% easily defined. Gender is also a social construct. Is that also not real?
Race is an informal taxonomic group in biology (scientists LOVE grouping things). Anyway a lot of these ignorant/stupid claims these white nationalist make sound like they have some knowledge of genetics but don't actually understand it. Biologically speaking a mixed population is a healthy population. I "pure" population increases otherwise rare recessive diseases and the like. It also means any disaster could wipe out the population because they all share the same strength and weakness. As a scientists people that believe themselves superior because the melanin content in their skin is somehow better than yours make me die inside. How could you possibly justify telling someone you hate them with every fiber of your being because they don't look like you? Racism is fucking stupid, not only is it stupid but makes no logical sense.
People like Jon likely see themselves as the same ones. They think they're just bringing logical thought into the conversation.
Like, when Jon goes on about "wealthy blacks commit more crimes than poor whites" or whatever other shit he's babbling about he sees it as being realistic, as not living in some PC fantasy land.
Which is damn ironic.
He might, he made an offhand comment the last time Jon went on a Twitter breakdown, which could have been interpreted either way, but he's getting into Joey Salads territory and Ethan went after him pretty hard.
That's what I'm noticing more and more of late; the idea of that "it's not racist to state the truth", when the 'truth' is... somewhat questionable in itself.
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