Fancy Clown
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I'm sure if they could, they would.
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Konami seeking new main staff members for development of new Metal Gear series
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I'm sure if they could, they would.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Sure but, like I said, it couldn't have been more than a few days or weeks because very recently they were just revealing the final box art and limited editions and they all had A HIDEO KOJIMA GAME.
Whatever happened it was very very unexpected and extremely recent. Of course the team knew about this before us but it couldn't have been too much.
Fancy Clown
Member
I see no MGS games here
Why is Xbox left out
I mean the ones Konami make. I know it's unlikely to get great MGS games from them in the way Kojima made them, but maybe we get 1 or 2 competent iterations. I'm trying to be supportive here.
So you're okay with this sort of business practice?
Fancy Clown
Member
I mean the ones Konami make. I know it's unlikely to get great MGS games from them in the way Kojima made them, but maybe we get 1 or 2 competent iterations. I'm trying to be supportive here.
Haha I know man. But I'm not going to support a company that spits on their most important employee's artistic legacy. Competent games or not, they will be shallow imitations born from scorched earth.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
The decision is already made, they are just trying to save face until the game is released. Whatever shitstorm is happening now, was already took into account when they made the choice.
MaximumSpider
Banned
God damnit now I'm sad.
there are already mobile and pachinko stuff
This is what I am reminded of as well. This will probably be my last MGS game too after the way Konami has handled all of this.
There's no reason it can't be 'A Hideo Kojima Game', even if it's officially developed by Konami and not Kojima Productions. Like, you know, Metal Gear Solid 2.
Vallen Valiant
Banned
Ironic enough, if that's what you want you are more likely to get it from Hideo Kojima in the future more than you would from Konami. A Konami future MGS6 would almost certainly contain as many callbacks as possible in order to give the false impression that it has anything in common with MGS5.
If you want a game in the style of MGS but in a whole new universe, Kojima himself is the one most likely to deliver it. He won't own any of the rights to the MGS story so he can't do callbacks even if he wanted to.
A remake looks like the logical next step
But a full remake of MG 1 and 2 would be better
And pls Konami, make remakes, make spinoffs, but don't make a real MGS 6 without Kojima.
I wonder if there is some deeper explanation to the removal of his name from the marketing / promotion of the game (and earlier games). Perhaps in shutting down his team it was Kojima himself that requested they halt the use of his name...that this is all some legal mitigation to prevent Konami using his name to market and profit from his name in any gaming product he developed. Just speculation. I just can't see why you would want to leave money on the table and not use his name in marketing at all. This smells like a contractual legal issue rather than pure acrimony.
Whoever they get, it'll fail to live up to Kojima's work on the series. Maybe they can get Platinum back for another MGR. Not even sure who could take the helm of a new mainline MGS title or even the start of a new MG franchise.
While it does make Konami a ton of money every few years, maybe it is finally time to let Snake and the boss get some rest.
Edit: MG1 and 2 remakes are their only option at this point for an in-house game.
While it does make Konami a ton of money every few years, maybe it is finally time to let Snake and the boss get some rest.
Edit: MG1 and 2 remakes are their only option at this point for an in-house game.
Lmao
This. 100% damage control.
You're absolutely right .
Why would they show final box art with his name on it only to remove it a week later.
Damn, shit truly happened.
Fancy Clown
Member
The way I see it: Kojima didn't want to make more Metal Gear games, so Konami fired him and are making a new team. With Kojima gone they want to get rid of his name from the branding of the series to promote sales for the shambling corpse that the series will become without him. That way MGS V will look no different to the average consumer than MGS 10: Electric Boogaloo.
Yep.
Now they'll probably just strip stuff out and make it DLC since the game is nearly complete but no major changes would be possible at this stage.
You're probably right. I read it as he maybe felt his vision was compromised and so he asked for his name to be taken off and Konami were more than happy to do it.
That makes sense, too. Start making Metal Gear a Konami property, not a Kojima property.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Nice work. Thanks!
Could this still be PR flavoured damage control? It seems odd that TS have this but neither Kojima nor Konami have done any kind of official press release that directly addresses the rumours.
You're right, but maybe his love for the universe is such that he might give in when the pain is gone. If that happens, hopefully there's a good MGS game for him to enjoy.
Or, maybe he can take a dump in the middle of Konami's lobby and never look back. Hopefully Kojima finds a new home that gives him full control over any project he decides to work on, or he builds a stable/solid studio of his own that produces great games for all to enjoy.
Nightengale
Member
Except that doesn't make sense.
Multiple MGS games have started development without Kojima at helm. It's just that he comes back to lead it everytime. And there's actually one game that shipped without Kojima, which is Portable Ops.
And his release-date interview also very clearly states that there will likely be more MG-games, that he didn't even say he won't be a part of. All he said was that it was the last SOLID game, aka the closure for the Big Boss/Solid Snake saga.
Your rationale only makes sense is if Konami cut off all funding to non-Metal Gear projects, effectively shutting down Kojima from developing non-Metal Gear games.
Yes thank you, tell us something we dont know.
Don't try and kick this under the rug.
you guys fucked up
It's such a shame they retroactively compromised his vision for games that have already been released.
Vallen Valiant
Banned
That's way too optimistic. If Kojima had any say in the matter, he would also have a say in making an official statement concerning all this. He is blocked from saying anything because he no longer call the shots in any way.
It's a good theory
But maybe they only want to people stop associating the series with Kojima, because they will make new games without him
NoctisVsStar
Member
Last MGS game for me I have no interest if kojima isn't involved and true fans won't support any BS done by konami. Kojima you're free to do whatever you want now! Extremely excited to see what's next. I'm sure TPP will be the best in the series #AHideoKojimaGame
The team are alive and well in The Hive 50 miles underneath Tokyo.
The security system is keeping them safe.
Yeah, it could be taken like that...
Haunted
Member
This is very similar to what happened to Ueda in 2011. It's pretty crazy that we've got two high-profile Japanese developers that have been kicked out by their parent company yet are obligated to finish the project on a contractual basis.
Call me Japan.
Don't worry, there'll be enough people buying and playing them to tell you how the stories of Solid Snake and Big Boss continue!
I forgot/don't care about them.
Call me Japan.
Well, they certainly won't stop making them now!
Fancy Clown
Member
Then maybe because they had a bad split Konami doesn't want the name of an ex employee plastered all over their flagship series anymore.
You and Del Toro are cursed.
Seriously, if you're in the game industry and see Del Toro, run.
Don't even make eye contact.
I meant for Phantom Pain, the Ground Zeroes name removal is weird. Next we're going to start hearing they're patching Ground Zeroes and the HD collections to remove his name or something (exaggeration, but it is excessive to remove the creative lead's name from the marketing when his name and involvement was a big draw to some).
OH GOD what have you done
I am not so sure. Kojima is potent branding. The logical thing would be to keep his name on the existing products, including the one you are about to release, if you legally could, and it didn't cost anything or much to do so.
My feeling is there was a legal ambiguity about the use of his name and Konami are attempting to cover themselves after his effective firing and the restructuring of his team. Or they have been instructed or advised to do so under threat of litigation.
In terms of marketing - It's possible to have a clean break for the new series without Kojima and still profit handsomely from his prior work. This would the most logical course of action.
Smells to me that they have no ongoing legal right to use his name to promote their products. Not trying to defend Konami - just trying to decipher a rather baffling business decision.
ProfessorMoran
Member
Well that seems to be the case.
I think Konami are trying to divorce Metal Gear from Kojima's 'brand' so the series doesn't feel devalued to the average consumer after he leaves. Obviously it's very short sighted.
Haunted
Member
Maybe.
But it's all speculation.
Maybe Kojima didn't want to make Metal Gear Solid games anymore.
Maybe Kojima wanted to go independent.
Maybe Kojima wanted a raise for himself and every Kojipro employee.
Maybe Kojima punched his producer because there was no catering organised.
Maybe Kojima slept with Sakamoto's (Konami CEO) wife.
Maybe.
Haunted
Member
I imagine this is the stance for the average MGS fan "on the street".
L.C.M. Taylon
Banned
Some publisher just must buy the silent hill ip, contact kojima and Del toro to finish the game
I fear that konami will shut down the project
I fear that konami will shut down the project
That they are about to lose forever.
Perhaps Konami are more worried about the long term future of the franchise. Yes, it would be better to have Kojima's name on the box, but that will only make it more conspicuously absent on the next instalment, and the next, and the next...
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
To whomever suggested another MGS1 remake: don't. If they want to do an HD remaster for the game then sure, I'll take higher resolutions and smoother framerate. But we don't need any more remakes of that game. the first one was enough of a turd for me to be certain of this.
Yeah, even if they are restructuring and future MGS games may not have "A Hideo Kojima Game" in it, they should have at least left MGS5 and previous series as a "Hideo Kojima Game".
But honestly, I don't understand them doing it for future games as well.
I can understand if labelling it as "A Hideo Kojima Game" had negative affect on their products,
but It only has positive affects on the game.
Like, when P.T/Silent Hill was announced and everyone saw that Kojima was making a Silent Hill game with Del Toro, it built up a huge hype.
It wouldn't have been that big if it were just Konami announcing that they're making a new Silent Hill game.
Gunslinger
Member
And this is how metal gear series comes to a close my friends. Enjoy MGS V because it is the last time you are going to play a good MGS game.