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Kotaku: 98% of PC Copies of Rise of the Tomb Raider Were Bought on Steam
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Hamster Plugin
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Windows Store does not sell win32 software and never will because it's intended to be cross-platform with phones and tablets. They need UWP for cross-platform functionality. It's a tablet app store that MS is trying to prop up with games.
However, PC users have shown that they don't want UWP stuff. Microsoft is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
No, I read it right. I don't see how an opinion can be consistent concerning those services over 5/6 years. Steam and Origin in particular changing massively over those particular 5/6 years.
Right now it is, it'll only change if MS changes overall strategy.
I'm pretty sure that most of us would be totally fine with that!
BleedOrange
Banned
Until the Anniversary Update, yes, you are correct. After then UWP applications and games will be able to be distributed freely.
Considering their reputation with Games for Windows live I think that ship have sailed.
wapplew
Member
Maybe do that "make a start button and call it Windows 10" thing with UWP, repackage, rename and call it a day.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Indeed. Nice to see slimy MS fail.
And once it set sail, it was hit by a multitude of torpedoes and sank.
LukasTaves
Member
If that's the case, ouch.
But I don't see how a Lionhead employee would be in a position to know sales projections and results from the entire company even from other companies games.
Of course people talk and words spread across, but some of his claims are quite dubious (Like Minecraft being below spectations).
But I don't see how a Lionhead employee would be in a position to know sales projections and results from the entire company even from other companies games.
Of course people talk and words spread across, but some of his claims are quite dubious (Like Minecraft being below spectations).
I often forget about the market significance of F2P games, but this is a good point. I remember someone else bringing it up with regards to the DX12/Vulkan discussion, given that Vulkan will be the only low-level platform available on everything which isn't Windows 10.
I don't understand what you mean. The developer, and only the developer, can patch them. Just like on consoles.
UWP is basically a console platform running on a PC. Which also explains why some people have no issues with it, why some people do, and why I detest it with every fiber of my being.
i'll be extremely surprised if anyone else starts supporting UWP though. most likely it will remain synonymous with the windows store because it's an unpopular and limited format.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Pretty much this, I'm not against MS making their own store or selling content in the store etc, etc. The store though, at this point is just a joke. UI/Functionality/Content/Discoverability/Polish...and the list goes on. I mean for shits and giggles just look at steam and copy it to get it to where people will at least consider it. Looking at the MS store and looking at any other competitive platform...it's at the bottom of the list.
I'm not one of those people that devotes loyalty to a specific brand because it does nothing for me, I just buy shit where I can get good deals and what easy and functional to use. I won't sit here and wish for them to burn or what not but I do wish they get their shit together and produce a high quality economy of their ecosystem that they are trying to build to promote healthy competition.
In the VERY OP, there is talk from developers that the number of people that couldn't download from the windows 10 store to be unsettling.
LordRaptor
Member
But its a rock and a hard place they spent a lot of money building in the first place.
If the Xbox division hadn't torched any and all consumer and external publisher goodwill they had with their malign neglect of GFWL, they would - right this very minute - have a sort-of-competent PC digital storefront that supports most of the entry level basic features that customers expect that they own in its entirety.
Conversely, if they were prepared to 'outsource' those basic features to a retailer in exchange for a 30% cut, they would also - right this very minute - have an array of different storefronts to pick and choose from, each offering its own viable platform and proven sales track record.
Lionhead themselves say that a significant number of people couldn't download the game.
Barack Lesnar: "BALONEY AND HYPERBOLE LIONHEAD, YOU BUNCH OF LIARS".
Seems reasonable.
dmix90
Member
Good.
Store is an absolute trash atm compared to competition and they are so slow with implementing basic functions its just insane for such huge corporation. There is "Pick a Drive experience" as a fucking bullet point in their update log.......not sure what else to say. Wonder how many people actually working on their own UWA's. Their improvements to Xbox UI is also questionable. Did they fix black crush yet?
Question is, will they continue to improve their platform even if at snail pace or will just completely abandon it in a year when there is new major trend, like they usually do? They drop their own initiatives so fast its hilarious.
Store is an absolute trash atm compared to competition and they are so slow with implementing basic functions its just insane for such huge corporation. There is "Pick a Drive experience" as a fucking bullet point in their update log.......not sure what else to say. Wonder how many people actually working on their own UWA's. Their improvements to Xbox UI is also questionable. Did they fix black crush yet?
Question is, will they continue to improve their platform even if at snail pace or will just completely abandon it in a year when there is new major trend, like they usually do? They drop their own initiatives so fast its hilarious.
I remember a lot of posts around this very issue in the FL private forums for beta players.
I'm curious to see what happens with the Anniversary update this month. The store is supposed to be a huge part of the update, but I wonder if it's just backend stuff to merge the stores, or if there's a fair bit of user experience stuff being improved as well.
derExperte
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MS should buy Desura for $1 and just use their client, has more features and works better.
And does anyone remember The Zone, their online platform from the late 90s? Ahead of its time and the perfect building block for doing Steam before Steam. Yet through complete neglect they fucked that up even before the Xbox push.
And does anyone remember The Zone, their online platform from the late 90s? Ahead of its time and the perfect building block for doing Steam before Steam. Yet through complete neglect they fucked that up even before the Xbox push.
I bought that piece of shit Quantum Break from Windows 10 store. Game is riddled with technical issues, even with my top of the line rig, I can't play the game without having huge problems. I got burnt once, I couldn't even give a fuck if Microsoft would release Halo 6 in there. I am done with that shit.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Looks like it's full Steam ahead for Games for Windows Live 2.0!
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
Shocking... Steam is an interesting market anomaly, in a space where there's literally unlimited competition they've managed to essentially create a monopoly.
I started downloading Killer Instinct the day they released it. I haven't cancelled the download yet. It isn't done. I don't plan on ever cancelling the download, I want to set a record for the longest nonfucntion download ever.
I have downloaded and completed the newest Fallout 4 DLC since I started the KI download. The store is shit and always will be.
BleedOrange
Banned
Maybe. Only time will tell. But there sure does seem to be a lot of confusion and conflation of two very different things: The API an application/game is programmed against, and the store through which it is distributed. Hopefully some of that confusion should be fixed soon.
Anything developed for Scorpio will be a UWP. MS has already deprecated the XDK for UWP apparently.
it's understandable though since for quite a while it looked like microsoft had no intention of allowing metro/modern/UWP apps to be distributed outside their store. if there's market confusion it's their own fault.
R_thanatos
Member
i thought i was back in time because this story reminded me of ...
game for windows live for some reason.
game for windows live for some reason.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Google exists
DryvBy
Member
That Jeb is a mess. Jeb is a big fat mistake.
GhostTrick
Banned
wapplew
Member
What if any game publish on Scorpio automatically publish on Windows 10 store too? No extra effort needed.
AndyMoogle
Member
What exactly did you prefer with GFWL? The fact that it was very likely to delete your saves or perhaps that it was impossible to even start for a lot of people? Personally, I loved the fact that MS didn't even try to improve it and finally just let it die.
There was absolutely nothing good about GFWL. It had a terrible interface and it simply did not work properly.
that's a pipe dream
LordRaptor
Member
Huge customer complaints for lack of basic expected PC game functionality like settings menus and exit game options.
That's exactly what they did with Games for Windows Live.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Microsoft is working on tools to convert win32 software to UWP.
i don't think they would mandate that for developers. EA doesn't want to give up their origin margins to a microsoft pc storefront.
Well, technically, Scorpio games will be in the same store. But yes, that is quite possible that devs will not target the PC with their UWP versions, lol.
wapplew
Member
I thought UWA suppose to be scalable?
that already exists and it's basically a version of app-v: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_App-V
it's just as limited as UWP
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