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Microsoft reveals Augmented Reality kit, presumably for Xbox One
- Thread starter Krejlooc
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Sure, those are viable application areas for AR.
I don't see how they make AR better for gaming than VR though.
At least in the short to medium term (that is, the next 5 years) I think VR will be a far more important technology for gaming.
Chobel
Member
I mean it's really practical and all, but that's not gaming though.
Lemon King
Neo Member
As it stands, AR tech like HoloLens stands a higher chance of being adopted and refined by Defense to reduce weight / equipment before full public adoption.
Any reason I couldn't use an Xbox One controller and play an FPS with the ground moving across my livingroom floor? Or a racer with the interior of the car floating in my living room? Or a Forzavista car, say a Bugatti veyron that I can walk around and interact with? What's the limitation here?
You'd have to be pretty stupid to injure yourself with this considering you still see reality.
but you're not. you're thinking the world can't move or adapt to your surroundings.
to use a VR thing: you use a gamepad.... strictly the left stick to shift your movement but you can still look and "touch" things around it.
great thing about AR is you don't necessarily need to move, the world is mapped to your surroundings but it can paint it like VR... but since the game is taking cues from environment instead of accelerometers and gyros... you get a more realistic 1:1 experience. and you can interact with your hands a hell of a lot better.... because you can actually see them.
10 years away from 10 years away can also mean today, baby!
SniperHunter
Banned
All this console vr tech is a waste of time. From what I have read, VR games need to running at 1080p (or beyond) at a constant 60 FPS in order to give the user a good experience. I think VR will only be successful on PC
aspiegamer
Member
I have no idea how anything in the teaser video is possible right now. We're limited on so, so many fronts.
Playing Minecraft built on top of the objects in your living room? Talk to me in 20 years. We're just now, finally, on the leading edge of producing decent VR for public consumption. The kind of AR boasted here is much trickier.
This being issue #1, with hardware questions at every turn. Google Glass is a vaguely-functional device that's not caught on and it's an order of magnitude less invasive and is much less ambitious.
Playing Minecraft built on top of the objects in your living room? Talk to me in 20 years. We're just now, finally, on the leading edge of producing decent VR for public consumption. The kind of AR boasted here is much trickier.
Our current computing technology.
Mr. Giggles
Member
waiting for the free give away from oprah.
jokes aside, this is.... interesting
jokes aside, this is.... interesting
ratcliffja
Member
Think about how many people broke their TVs with Wii remotes. "Oh I'll just lean on this virtual wall and.... oooops."
Those people were pretty stupid.
now imagine a glove accessory :>
I already have a 3D depth sensing camera in my living room with Kinect, that in conjunction with an AR headset with good motion tracking should be able to create great results.
Alx
Member
That's true. But there are also many simple apps that can be done in that timeframe. One year is more than enough to create AR e-mail clients, video chat, virtual screens etc.
Anyway we can be (almost) sure it won't be 2015 anyway, and since Win10 releases in summer and is supposed to start shorter cycle, I'd guess Win11 could come 2 years later.
MR > VR > AR
Doesn't take much tbh. "Oh look at that thing over there" trips over the coffee table while trying to get there.
Don't get me wrong. VR will be the better experience for interactive mediums. AR will never top that. There are some possibilities, where AR-Games can be very existing, but they will always be abound playing with reality or as a side activity, while you need your attention in the real world.
My point is, that it is a waste to hold AR ONLY in the living room, since VR can do everything much better there. AR should be about bring the virtual world outside and expending your view of reality. I can see a future, were the virtual world will always be around us.
somesang
Member
Damn, dude. I get that you're excited but a lot of your arguments about VR can be used with AR. There's a place for both. Don't get all fanboy. You're a great poster with good opinions.
LegalEagleMike
Member
slightly fewer than the injuries from Sony VR.
Your capacity to not puke.
While this is probably not focused on gaming, it can be quite useful, as in you can still play games on your TV as normal, but area around TV may be covered with additional info, like minimap or enemy location.
However, this thing looks expensive, but I still want it now.
GIANKRATOS
Member
Is this vr or just augmented reality?
I think rendered images can take up the entire display if the application wants, but I'm not sure they've said what the FoV of the display is (vs the cameras), and obviously it's not closed to peripheral 'leakage' around the screen from the world around you.
So a certain level of immersion would be possible. Ultimately one HMD could do both AR and VR but design wise this doesn't look like its particularly prioritizing immersive experience.
Promo video http://youtu.be/aThCr0PsyuA
Alx
Member
It's augmented reality. The difference is simple :
virtual reality = everything you see is fake
augmented reality = you keep seeing the real world, with additional information on top ("augmenting" it)
Probably the same amount of people whos insurance lawyers will sue because their client was hit by someone else using this.
Chobel
Member
World adapting to your surroundings, is still limited to your surroundings. In VR you can create any type of world you want. And no, just because a world is fake it doesn't mean it's worse experience than "realistic world"
Sectorseven
Member
After the first lawsuit they'll bundle in a couch tether.
Iced_Eagle
Member
If you're a developer, here's the site where you can contact MS about developing for HoloLens.
https://33581registration.azurewebsites.net/registration.aspx
https://33581registration.azurewebsites.net/registration.aspx
Or a head to toe bubble wrap suit.
I think for business etc it will be great. But not for games.
As a standalone product, it seems like it'll be pretty cool. I like the idea of it and I'm interested in the impressions coming out later today.
Pair this with an Xbox One and we could have something special on our hands since the Xbox One isn't doing any of the processing for the Hololens. I think being able to move HUD elements around the screen or be able to really bring something out of a screen would be interesting. I wonder how well the system does at masking things around you entirely since it's manipulating light and if it could be used in a VR capability. I guess we'll have to wait for GDC and E3 to really find out.
Can't wait to give one a go once they start getting them out in public.
Pair this with an Xbox One and we could have something special on our hands since the Xbox One isn't doing any of the processing for the Hololens. I think being able to move HUD elements around the screen or be able to really bring something out of a screen would be interesting. I wonder how well the system does at masking things around you entirely since it's manipulating light and if it could be used in a VR capability. I guess we'll have to wait for GDC and E3 to really find out.
Can't wait to give one a go once they start getting them out in public.
DataStream
Member
Idk, imagine a 3d platformer that grows out of your surroundings... or new board game style games... or final fantasy tactics on your coffee table... or a procedurally generated version of PT where you walk around your house.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Lord Above! Think of the adult entertainment possibilities!!!
Chobel
Member
Thank you for the link, but are you sure this is an official page from MS? I mean the design of this this web page looks amateur-ish.
GIANKRATOS
Member
Yes, I meant in a bigger sense than just gaming. Mainstream. But even for gaming, 'casual games' are going to be HUGE for this kind of device among kids.
This, is basically what I imagine future smartphones would be. We're still far from that future (or maybe not that far away), but this is a step in that direction.
ScriptedReality
Member
Can I play Sword Art on it?
BritBloke916
Member
Quick primer for the layperson:
VR: Allows the user to experience what it might be like to visit other worlds
AR: Allows the user to experience what it might be like to have a visitor
VR: Allows the user to experience what it might be like to visit other worlds
AR: Allows the user to experience what it might be like to have a visitor
why are people saying this isnt good for gaming? i could easily imagine characters existing outside of the tv screen - maybe something like a mass effect could have its conversations be done with holograms. or something like a kingdom for keflings type game have its little minature people spill out over your screen and into your living room for you to interact with. or have other elements be present in the real world - maybe a kinect sports game where a tennis ball flies out of your screen toward you, creating a 3d effect