I'm honestly waiting for screenshots of the localized version of DQ8 to come out showing the altered costumes for Red and one of Jessica's alt and people bitching about them, even though Squenix already altered those in the Japanese release.
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More Changes to Bravely Second in the West
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I'm honestly waiting for screenshots of the localized version of DQ8 to come out showing the altered costumes for Red and one of Jessica's alt and people bitching about them, even though Squenix already altered those in the Japanese release.
Nobody's been able to establish that the work is being censored or edited as per the writer's own volition in the first place. It's equally as likely that the content producers are taking feedback into consideration and are making changes accordingly.
SliceSabre
Banned
EscalarioHuh, why it doesn't weirds me anymore that the ones making a huge deal out of this are the users with anime avatars...
Oh well, can't have a good Nintendo-exclusive JRPG without some people bitching. I'll be over here enjoying the game
Nintendo needs to stop localizing games to America so I can see mostly naked young girls again
(Today, 03:17 PM)
Hmm...
Bitanator
Member
The OP has this "This has details more costumes changes. Mainly, five instances of tummy or some breast skin being shown was covered up.
Also, this video details that the Art Book in the west has been changed as well."
So yeah the OP is kind of about costumes as well
PaulBizkit
Member
Why would they do that?? I dont mind visual modifications but THIS is starting to make me doubt wether i should buy the game or not..
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Read the OP. This is more than pervy shit.
One: You're obviously not showing some sort of bias when you have some passive aggressive shit like highlighting '"localization".
Two: Bravely Second was slammed critically in Japan apparently and Square doesn't exactly have confidence in the IP like Nintendo does (with good reason, the game is cheeks). Square censoring up as much as they can to get younger audiences -- the bread and butter 3DS owners -- to scoop it up seems like a Bette R chance of success than just shipping over a shitty ass RPG.
Let me bold this: I'm not saying the 'censorship' and axing content is a good thing. In fact is a fucking awful thing to axe content like actual missions. Cosmetic shit? lol who cares.
We'll see when the game launches. I mean I probably won't care how well it does because Bravely Second is probably the gaming equivalent of drinking lukewarm Powerade at a food festival
YianGaruga
Banned
Saying dumb shit is okay now if you have a tag?
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Like fucking clockwork. Not even one post in between.
Hentailover
Member
So many people get stuck on semantics of the word "censorship" they use it as an excuse to ignore the point. When people talk about Censorship these days, they mean "altering a product to decrease the provocativeness of said product to make it less controversial or potentially offensive".
Come up with a good, immediately understandable word for that and we will switch to it.
I personally don't care about chibi boobies, despite my nickname. I'm into some kinky shit, but Bravely default models are not a part of it. But I don't like the idea of changing it because somebody somewhere may find it offensive or unacceptable. And now we've gotten to the point that 4kids level of editing is applied. What next, everybody in final fantasy 15 will be sent to the shadow realm? All onigiri will be changed to jelly donuts?
Come up with a good, immediately understandable word for that and we will switch to it.
I personally don't care about chibi boobies, despite my nickname. I'm into some kinky shit, but Bravely default models are not a part of it. But I don't like the idea of changing it because somebody somewhere may find it offensive or unacceptable. And now we've gotten to the point that 4kids level of editing is applied. What next, everybody in final fantasy 15 will be sent to the shadow realm? All onigiri will be changed to jelly donuts?
Napalm_Frank
Member
Good. There are a lot of western players that are emotionally delicate so it only makes sense for Nintendo/SE to remove content that might not fit to their tastes such as the more interesting endings for quests.
I have no idea why threads like these waste so much time arguing what is and isn't "censorship". The only real argument is if someone agrees with whatever changes are made, if they felt they were necessary, if they accomplish their goal (if said goal can be discerned) and if that goal was worth accomplishing. That will obviously vary from person to person.
As for this specific example here, I can't imagine most people would get in a tizzy about costume changes though I'm getting a bit tired of the "cleavage is SIN!" or similar mentality that one has to use to feel such edits are needed. Still, its not that big a deal.
The changes to the artbook and sidequests though I find way more objectionable. The former seems disrespectful (is that the right word?) and the later just seems nonsensical.
As for this specific example here, I can't imagine most people would get in a tizzy about costume changes though I'm getting a bit tired of the "cleavage is SIN!" or similar mentality that one has to use to feel such edits are needed. Still, its not that big a deal.
The changes to the artbook and sidequests though I find way more objectionable. The former seems disrespectful (is that the right word?) and the later just seems nonsensical.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
That's similarly fucking dumb even if it isn't by a strict definition self-censorship. It's telling their audience they can only handle happy endings.
Maintenance
Member
If you even read my post that you quoted you would have noticed that there are other things being discussed.
There's that too.
I remember there was backlash at the quality of the game and even threads in here pointing that out and the bad reviews at Amazon Japan.
So I do wonder if the cut content was based on feedback over the negative reviews rather than dumbing things down.
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Pro from Dover
Member
What's fuckable in DQ7?
Jawmuncher
Member
Feels like localization changes to save money
WarioFan63
Member
There is no PS2 version. DQVII is PS1, DQVIII is PS2.
Nah, but GAF thrives on dumb posts. Be it a 1st reply with an image/gif/whatever that completely derails the thread, or politics/race/sex/tipping comments. Happens in almost every thread.
YianGaruga
Banned
It isn't any definition of any kind of censorship, and content creator would know this. Receiving feedback and taking it into consideration is an integral part of any creative work. A creative work being blasted for being too long or overwrought isn't going to have the artist get slammed for taking feedback to heart and trying to better connect to their audience.
That's a good point. Hmmm
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Huh, why it doesn't weirds me anymore that the ones making a huge deal out of this are the users with anime avatars...
Oh well, can't have a good Nintendo-exclusive JRPG without some people bitching. I'll be over here enjoying the game
Avatar shaming is bannable. The last censorship thread was a graveyard because of it.
Bitanator
Member
Now I can see DQVIII getting some costume changes, like Jessica is a Dangerous Bustier, but I don't see how anything that changes the game in any meaningful way will happen. You should expect some different dialogue in VII since it is not using the PS1 version, if anything they could make it less doomy in places
I realize that, I was assuring you that changes to DQVII should not be about cut content game wise
The Priest being beaten to a pulp while he was trapped in a monsters body
I realize that, I was assuring you that changes to DQVII should not be about cut content game wise
Maintenance
Member
Oh, thanks. Never played it and I always thought it was a PS2 game.
PlatypusDude
Member
Sure it is, but the last few pages and the primary focus of discussion in the thread has primarily been about the side quest changes which I haven't seen any good argument on why they were made and is primarily what people who are getting upset about at those saying they have no problem with the changes made.
we need someone do side-by-side comparisons to know if this is true. I do remember that Japanese players hated this game with a passion.
Mr Waluigi
Banned
Aren't changes to games (adding/removing/modifying modes and characters for example) done by the original team in the first place? Don't localizers only take care of translating and communicating with the original developers if any changes should be made?
Edit: By that, I mean that the major changes found in this game and the new FE would be the choice of the developers in the first place, not something to blame on localization.
Edit: By that, I mean that the major changes found in this game and the new FE would be the choice of the developers in the first place, not something to blame on localization.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Is really sad that people are using this chance of a company "actually" cutting content of a game, with really natural themes like death that are completely inside the reach of the game age restriction, to pursue their agenda of changes to accomodate minority sensibilities or being more inclusive on it's depection of sexuality.
Like really sad.
DQ8 costumes already got changed in the japanese 3DS version, so yeah, you're gonna see that too
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
We really are back in the 90s. Fuck.
Changes, afaik, are done by both. But there's almost always communication between both teams.
Indeed. There's lots of speculation in this thread based only on what's presented in front of us. Kind of need more information to understand the reasoning behind these changes.
At the very least, being specific about it being "self-censorship" or "marketing changes" or "localization" or whatever is much, much better than just throwing around "censorship" blindly.
Again, using the word recklessly only puts you under more scrutiny. These kinds of tangents can easily be avoided simply by using more precise language. Don't like people going on semantic tangents? You have the power to avoid just that fate.
Also this:
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We know nothing about the mindset that lead to those changes. Trying to equate these to "4kids" level changes is also quite laughable, considering how much that company butchered the works it had access to.
YianGaruga
Banned
So do you
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Stop having confirmation bias. What you're doing is both a bannable offence and you'll see me make me make a big deal about shitty censorship like this even though I've never had an anime avatar.Huh, why it doesn't weirds me anymore that the ones making a huge deal out of this are the users with anime avatars...
Oh well, can't have a good Nintendo-exclusive JRPG without some people bitching. I'll be over here enjoying the game
I applaud these statement.
That is generally how it goes, just like when people give up rights in the way of a tragedy. Most people will applaud and defend it so long as it suits them. Then when its severity increases, the same people start to complain, but its often to late to change it at that point.
The Western praise and support of gore and suffering and disdain for all thing sexual that aren't negative portrayed in a negative light, vs the Japanese general disinterest in gratuitous violence and acceptance of more romantic and sexual content is the main reason I predominantly bought Japanese games.
Warping the Japanese content into stuff that suits mainstream American ideals destroys any reason to get the game for me personally.
If a game has something extra in it that I don't like, I just don't use it.
They are done at the request of the western publisher. For example, when Atlus localized Dungeon Travelers 2, they asked the developed to alter a few of the CGs to avoid a possible AO rating in the west because they were too sexually suggestive. The developer didn't just do this of their own volition ahead of time.
Only bad ending here is you realizing you bought, played and finished a bad game
Hentailover
Member
To me, gutting major side content is butchering almost on the level of 4kids.
EDIT: Also, can we please do something about people trying to derail topic by making jokes about series being bad. It's completely irrelvant, as the question of the matter has nothing to do with the quality of the games.