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Penny Arcade Report on KOF 13: "casual sexism", "cringe-inducing racial imagery"
- Thread starter sibarraz
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That's just video game reviews nowadays.
Graphics
Story
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9/10
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GekigangerV
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I saw this in the Fighting game weekly thread earlier. There was actually a fairly moderate discussion going on in the comments section of the review, but they decided to shut it down. Didn't see anything too offensive there, but then again I guess I don't have the same barometer as the PAR folks.
Damn, didn't know he threw his two cents in there. I was just browsing the last couple of days from when the "review" went online.
This tweet is hilarious
https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/383628287517265921
The man's keen power of perception overlooked that all those "people" have tails.
Damn, didn't know he threw his two cents in there. I was just browsing the last couple of days from when the "review" went online.
This tweet is hilarious
https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/383628287517265921
The man's keen power of perception overlooked that all those "people" have tails.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Holy shit.
They post a troll-white knight-out there article, and then close its discussion?
BEN KUCHERA / 22 HOURS AGO
Yeah, this is out of hand. I'm shutting down the comments. The temper tantrums can continue elsewhere. Everyone have a great day.
geth, close this thread
They post a troll-white knight-out there article, and then close its discussion?
crimzonflame
Member
Im never visiting PA ever thanks to that stupid article.
I never understood the complaints with that trophy. If someone isn't a hoe why would they have a problem with that? There's guys and girls who are what they call a "hoe" but if you know you aren't that why complain. Am I alone with this line of thinking? ._.
Is it called 'Brazil Stage' anywhere in the game? Cant' remember.Damn, didn't know he threw his two cents in there.
This tweet is hilarious
https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/383628287517265921
The man's keen power of perception overlooked that all those "people" have tails.
The man's keen power of perception overlooked that all those "people" have tails.
Who says that's a tail.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
More and more I get the impression that the only way to have a Japanese game not called out for sexism or racism is for every background to be this:
and for every character to be this
and for every character to be this
CrackPebbles
Member
I like Mai.
airmangataosenai
Member
I guess you're lumping sexism in with transphobia which I kind of get, but racism?
Edit: And since he didn't even write this article it becomes even more inappropriate.
jediyoshi
Member
Penny Arcade comic is headed up by different people. Kuchera is the writer for PAR.
*PA reporting logic*
"Crash55118 uses word 'black', potentially racist undertones. Click here for full article"!
dragonlife
Member
They should patch it so the males' clothing also gets ripped after a special move KO.
Ben Kuchera is the EOC of PAR and he lives in Cincinnati. Penny Arcade the comic is made by Mike and Jerry in Seattle. Mike and Jerry don't take any kind of oversight on nor provide editorial input to PAR, they leave it to Ben.
A fighting game with racist stereotypes?????
My goodness that's never happened before
[...more...]
"It's ok because it's pervasive" is a pretty weak argument.
Diprosalic
Banned
last time we had a thread about an article of PAR 90% of the thread was insults towards the guys making the comic. who probably didn't even know the article existed.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Good thing that's still 5 years off. Hopefully shit like this will have died off by then.
They fund and pay for the Penny Arcade Report to exist and promote it on the front of their site.
They cannot wash their hands of the actions of employees they explicitly endorse the activities of. They cannot have their cake and eat it too. Penny Arcade cannot say the Penny Arcade Report is not their doing. Their fucking name is right on it.
PaulExcellent
Member
Edit:
Yeah, I agree.
Doesn't Soul Calibur do that?
Mortal Kombat does it with enough damage taken, I think. (It's been a while.)
That, or the "clothes-off" should be patched out, though. That way, there's no prob.
You've been able to do that (along with Yuri) for quite some time (as in KoF '94 & '95, along with Art of Fighting 1 & 2 (both for King & 2 for Yuri)). Heck, Blue Mary in Real Bout: Fatal Fury loses her top completely if you do a special KO & knock her in the water. You can barely see anything, but still.
the green people took our jobs
Doesn't make any of them right or okay though.A fighting game with racist stereotypes?????
My goodness that's never happened before
Nope, no sir
Not even once
Ingueferroque
Banned
Wasn't SNK one of the first companies to have a female as the main character?
Weren't they one of the first to have a transgender person as a playable character?
And these things aren't mentioned in his article. This is what bothers me.
Weren't they one of the first to have a transgender person as a playable character?
And these things aren't mentioned in his article. This is what bothers me.
Who...?
Agreed.
I'm more interested to check the game out now as they still enjoyed it even with their concerns.
Not sure why there can be an aversion to the discussion of videogames in a wider context. I don't want reviews that read like one of a car; cold, mechanical and dull.
Edit: There's also a lack of 'respectful disagreement'. Blacklisting an entire publication because you disagree with a single opinion, from a single contributor is worrisome.
jediyoshi
Member
When he submitted the article, Mike and Jerry probably weren't hovering over his shoulder giving him a thumbs up. You missing the necessity for this distinction are clearly not reading the thread.
The problem here is not that it's wrong to criticize a game as racist and/or sexist; it's that his criticisms here are weak, and it reads as though he didn't spend much time playing the game or getting into the mechanics, so he went down a feature list for two paragraphs and filled the rest of the space with controversy bait.
Certain things about KOF13 seem a bit weird from a racial/sexual perspective, but no more so than many other fighting games, and quite a bit less so than some.
Incidentally, King's clothing becomes ripped to show a bra for tradition's sake; the character's original appearance in Art of Fighting had the character design as slightly more androgynous, and the shirt ripping acted as an end-of-match reveal that the character you had been fighting was female the whole time.
Certain things about KOF13 seem a bit weird from a racial/sexual perspective, but no more so than many other fighting games, and quite a bit less so than some.
Incidentally, King's clothing becomes ripped to show a bra for tradition's sake; the character's original appearance in Art of Fighting had the character design as slightly more androgynous, and the shirt ripping acted as an end-of-match reveal that the character you had been fighting was female the whole time.
cj_iwakura
Member
Uh, how is that different from the multi-cultural backgrounds of every fighting game ever?
Ingueferroque
Banned
What does this mean? Why wouldn't it be ok? It doesn't make fun of those characters.. if I could identify with these characters I would be happy that they were represented in a game I played.
Should we just have standardized and faceless crash test dummies in fighting games so we don't offend anyone?
As far as you know, PAR is self-sufficient. Is Ben an employee or a partner? Hell if I know. Though, again, this piece wasn't even written by Ben.
You sound like an expert on Japanese culture.
JordanN
Banned
If it serves no purpose other than to get male gamers sexually excited, I can't defend it.
In these scenarios, I can understand how it could piss some people off if it's only happening to one gender.
But again, I'm not offended by Mai so you can choose to listen to what I have to say about this.
While this article is insanely stupid, I agree that this should happen for Ryu, Robert, and Takuma, because it did in the original Art of Fighting games.
Also, it's funny because the whole "women can't fight" thing is mostly perpetuated by Hwa Jai, who, for one, is an asshole, and two, only appeared in one previous fighter, in which there were no female characters (the original Fatal Fury). He's just confused by all of these newfangled equal rights. It's part of his character, not a belief of the company or even the majority of characters.
Ingueferroque
Banned
King, the character he referred to in his article. (Of whom he complained that her shirt ripped, revealing her bra)
Never said it was. I just think it's silly to present this as something that's shocking or unusual.
what's wrong with them?
She's not transgender...
Namino from Samurai Shodown, though he's not playable, so I don't know if that's who they were referring to.
Edit: King? No, she's always been female.
PaulExcellent
Member
What site is it on? Penny Arcade Report.
Who wrote it? Andrew Groen.
There we go.
Who wrote it? Andrew Groen.
There we go.
cj_iwakura
Member
That's news to me. I know King disguised herself as a man, that's about it.