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Penny Arcade Report on KOF 13: "casual sexism", "cringe-inducing racial imagery"

this whole political correctness that the gaming press is embracing its getting out of hand..

its good when u get mad at the correct things but when u start to see evil on everything u are also part of the problem
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
Gamers are funny.

"Video games are a form of respectable ART! But don't you DARE criticize it like any other artistic medium!!"

Am glad more and more people are realizing just how much misogynistic the gaming community and industry is.

The problem in this case is not that he's criticizing, it's that his criticisms are poorly thought out, poorly researched, and there's nothing in the article to suggest he spent very much time with the game at all.There's basically nothing in this article you can't get from looking at the game's Steam page and watching a few matches on Youtube.

In fact, there's nothing in the article to suggest he ever so much as played the game with another human being.
 

bon

Member
These kinds of articles are the reason why a lot of people don't take feminism in gaming seriously. Complaining about pointless things just muddies discussion and trivializes the subject.
 

PBY

Banned
These kinds of articles are the reason why a lot of people don't take feminism in gaming seriously. Complaining about pointless things just muddies discussion and trivializes the subject.
I mean, to you it's pointless.
 

Village

Member
this whole political correctness that the gaming press is embracing its getting out of hand..

its good when u get mad at the correct things but when u start to see evil on everything u are also part of the problem

Criticism happens.

And people can criticize anything they want, even that game you like.

I'm sorry.

Also about mai, while I think there are bunches of girls in KOF with not dumb outfits, so I think the call of sexism is a bit much. Her outfit is dumb, like really dumb. A classic case of trying to be sexy outweighed trying to be good.
 

TGMIII

Member
Says who? Like I said- you can read about that stuff anywhere else. Rather, I'd argue no one else dives into topics like this anywhere else. Disagree with the review? Fine. But I appreciate the effort to analyze the game in a different light.

There's nothing analyzed here, there's nothing that I couldn't get from a random gameplay video. The article does nothing to say anything about the game other than talk about how the characters/stages are sexist/racist. If this is the best analysis he has to offer then it's a pretty poor effort.

Even what he has to say about the characters doesn't go in to any depth, it's surface level discussion at best. That's my issue.
 
Criticism happens.

And people can criticize anything they want, even that game you like.

I'm sorry.

Also about mai, while I think there are bunches of girls in KOF with not dumb outfits, so I think the call of sexism is a bit much. Her outfit is dumb, like really dumb. A classic case of trying to be sexy outweighed trying to be good.

i can critize your critize :) you know..this game is endless


btw elephants on dalshim stage RACIST AS HELLLL
 

mui

Neo Member
The problem in this case is not that he's criticizing, it's that his criticisms are poorly thought out, poorly researched, and there's nothing in the article to suggest he spent very much time with the game at all.There's basically nothing in this article you can't get from looking at the game's Steam page and watching a few matches on Youtube.

In fact, there's nothing in the article to suggest he ever so much as played the game with another human being.

His article is very poorly written, I agree, but the he have a point regarding sexism.
 

A.E Suggs

Member
His article is very poorly written, I agree, but the he have a point regarding sexism.
In video games in general sure, in KOFXIII, naw. Besides this is supposed to be a review not a blog post and seeing as how people usually get paid by posting reviews people actually would like credible information.
 

Odrion

Banned
Obviously just following the template

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Oh man that's a good video, thanks.
 

mnz

Unconfirmed Member
This is what I fail to understand sometimes:
If a provocatively dressed female character is sexist, what does that make of women that actually dress like that? Are they all victims of a sexist society? Are they all powerless? That thought process would be sexist, because you assume these females don't act after their own will, they are weak.
 

Shane

Member
This is what I can't understand:
If a provocatively dressed female character sexist, what does that make of women that dress like that? Are they all victims of a sexist society? Are they all powerless? That thought process would be sexist, because you assume these females don't act after their own will, they are weak.

Harder to make that comparison, especially on a forum. If we sat down and chatted face-to-face it'd work much better. Anyway, a videogame character is a deliberate creation. It does not dress itself, nor make a conscious design choice of its own accord. Everything single thing about it has been created in that manner for a reason. The character is not choosing to dress in a manner that is revealing. It has been constructed to do so. It is not aware of it's appearance. Does that make sense?

When did video gaming get so political all of a sudden?

It's not a bad thing for these discussions to happen, they should, but the suddenness of it is clearly jarring to readers who are already a little jaded about the review process/history.
 

Village

Member
seriously..im too old for this nonsense





when its a trend for the journos..and they love trend..makes their jobs easier

People want to be represented well in games and other facets of entertainment and culture, is the best trend ever.

Since its been going on since before you were born.
 

galvatron

Member
http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=6972
Why King of Fighters Makes Me Hate Myself
Posted on December 2, 2011 by Guest
The following is a guest post from Jean-Paul Malone:

Jean-Paul Malone is a white, bisexual cis-male from Scotland who has been gaming since the heady days of the Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48k. He likes 2D fighting games a lot, but sometimes takes a break to play RPGS and/or apply nail varnish.

Hey! There’s a new King of Fighters game out! While it has been available in arcades for quite some time, it’s now available for play on consoles and I’m almost certain to buy it! And this makes me pretty annoyed at myself.


This image contains a hint as to why!

Fighting game The King of Fighters XIII is the latest in the pure dead old series of mostly-excellent games from SNK Playmore, and it looks a lot like it’ll play well, with a varied and interesting cast with uncluttered movelists and smooth animation. It’s just a shame about the rampant misogyny, eh?



PART 1: DEPRESSING BOLLOCKS

“No Mai, No Buy” was the ludicrous slogan puked out of the fingertips of countless King of Fighters (or ‘KoF’) fans on messageboards around the time of the release of KoF XII, in reference to the lack of the character Mai Shiranui in the game. Ninjutsu-practicing Mai is a fun and effective character to play as, with useful and consistent moves, but her popularity mainly stems from the fact she has (you guessed it) large, over-animated breasts.

SNK Playmore, always being barely one step ahead of going bankrupt, seemed to throw their hands in the air and say “FINE, we’ll give you what you want!” and so included her in the latest KoF instalment. Good news for slimy bastards everywhere, the game designers decided to make her outfit even more revealing, and her breasts even more ludicrous and creepily-rendered. Have a look for yourself, likes, at the sprites for KoF94, KoFXI, and KoFXIII:


Ridiculous.


Ludicrous.


Intensely ludicrous.

I know that the appallingly-named ‘jiggle physics’ are no recent or unique thing in videogames – I’m looking at you with morbid fascination, Dead or Alive series! -and Mai’s KoF 94 sprite is an early ‘pioneer’ of such a thing, but that is no excuse for them to still be an ongoing concern (and part of a trend I sadly can’t see vanishing while the main players of games are perceived to be young males), much like another slice of cringe-inducing sexism in the latest KoF installment…

PART 2: INSULTING BULLSHIT





King and Yuri (pictured above) are that rarity in video games – female characters with strong personalities and actual clothing that covers their bodies, and not just in a seedy painted-on sort of way! Not exactly progressive, but certainly the least we should expect, right? Sadly, both characters have a dark past in looks-okay-plays-like-shite fighting game series Art of Fighting…

Quite apart from Yuri&#8217;s sadly-usual beginnings as a generic damsel-in-distress, King&#8217;s original appearance in 1992&#8242;s Art of Fighting saw her appearing as a bouncer passing as male at a club owned by a crime boss. When defeated, her clothes rip off, revealing her to be >gasp< a woman. Take a look at this image:



Don&#8217;t worry, confused male readers! She&#8217;s got a reassuringly feminine pink bra!

Sigh.

Anyway, while it could be argued that this at least had a storyline component, this &#8216;feature&#8217; continued into 1994&#8242;s Art of Fighting 2, where Yuri was now a playable character. When you defeat any opponent with a special or super move (or whatever the terminology is in Art of Fighting), their outfit tears, exposing underwear/muscles/scars etc. To the designers&#8217; near-credit, this also happened to the male characters (though obviously it&#8217;s not the same thing). This was also carried over to the appearance of the Art of Fighting characters in the first two King of Fighters games (though I think maybe Ryo was the only male this applied to as well?).

Thankfully, this unfortunate relic of the early-90s vanished from the games in the ones that followed, and King and Yuri grew into characters that could perhaps be described as &#8217;rounded&#8217; and &#8216;interesting&#8217; (or as much as fighting game characters ever are, anyway).

Pathetically, with King of Fighters XIII, the clothes-ripping has returned, and this time it only happens to King and Yuri. Also problematic is the way that Yuri is now portrayed in an infantilizing &#8216;Moé&#8217; style (which Wikipedia describes as being &#8220;used within anime fandom as an interjection referring to a character the speaker considers to be a moekko (a blossoming or &#8220;budding&#8221; girl)&#8221;), and the fact her alternate color schemes involve her leggings getting increasingly shorter/turning into thigh-highs. Here&#8217;s a screenshot of Yuri being defeated, her clothes tearing off (it&#8217;s not as clear as it could be, but should get the idea across) -



Oh glorious! Strong female character shamed and humiliated for no reason other than the male gaze! I get that it&#8217;s a nod to the &#8216;classic&#8217; games of the early 90s, but it&#8217;s really not a &#8216;tradition&#8217; that should have been revived. I don&#8217;t really want games I enjoy playing to feature things that&#8217;ll embarrass me and make me feel like a creep, you know? I understand SNK Playmore feel the need to cater to the most base aspects of gaming culture, as they need to make a successful product to survive, but this shit is regressive and downright insulting. Here&#8217;s another image, this time of King being knocked out, clothing torn etc. -



Not nice or necessary, is it? And wait, just WHAT the FUCK is going on in that background? Look past the woman with the bizarrely-torn trousers and take a look at the lovely greenery, the beautiful sunbeams shining through the rainforest canopy and the, er, baffling racist caricatures?

Huh?

Let&#8217;s zoom in!





I think those are supposed to be human beings? The stage is supposed to be in Brazil, so perhaps they are supposed to be an indigenous people of the Amazon? A further zoom into the background, perhaps?



I mean, really? I understand that the primary artist for KoF XIII is Nona, and he likes to deal in caricature, and KoF&#8217;s backgrounds have abandoned sort-of-realism for spectacle, but there&#8217;s a difference between, say, the Japanese stage featuring sumo wrestlers who at least look like human beings or the London one featuring red buses, and this Brazil stage featuring embarrassing, outdated and outright racist stereotypes. Brazil has cropped up before in King of Fighters in a similar context, way back in KoF&#8217;94:





There&#8217;s some sort of indigenous people in the background there, too, and while their appearance isn&#8217;t exactly ideal, they at least look human. While I accept that the new KoF XIII backdrop may be a callback to this one, it (like the misogyny covered in the previous post) is something that should have remained in the past, not actually brought back and made even more offensive.

Oh yeah, there&#8217;s also the confusing Egypt backdrop, which has now appeared in two games (though they feature slight differences), but I&#8217;m not sure what to make of that, as it appears to be a bizarre ancient Egypt involving the wailing undead in thrall to the magical future-folk (I think? The alternative is that these are supposed to be some sort of actual modern Egyptians, emaciated and bowing to the superiority of the strange fighting people, but that&#8217;d be too ridiculous?):



Did no-one at SNK Playmore think any of this was a bad idea? How culturally clueless are they? I&#8217;m not saying the racism/misogyny in KoF XIII is in any way intentional, it&#8217;s more likely just a case of ignorance and cultural insensitivity (at least I sincerely hope it is). But, at a time where the company&#8217;s survival will no doubt heavily depend on how the game performs in non-Japanese markets, they really should be thinking more than this, and that&#8217;s before even considering the fact that Brazil has a sizable KoF fanbase.

Maybe this is what they think people want? Maybe this IS what people want (what a depressing thought&#8230;)? Or maybe they don&#8217;t really care as pricks like me will buy it anyway?

PART 4: Worst Human

So why does this bother me so much, anyway? I could just ignore the game, like many, many people will ( &#8216;King of Fighters&#8217; isn&#8217;t exactly a household name).

The problem is, I love the King of Fighters series. KoF has been a part of my gaming life for quite some time, and I prefer everything about them to Street Fighter (the nearest and more popular equivalent), from the gameplay mechanics to the characters. King of Fighters is less likely to feature character concepts like &#8216;sumo guy&#8217;, &#8216;weird magic Indian guy&#8217;, &#8216;boxer guy&#8217;, in favor of having characters in an (admittedly sometimes outlandish) approximation of &#8216;street&#8217; clothes. The storylines, while still being slim, have an episodic quality that flows from game to game, and the characters have more personality, along with ever-evolving movelists. Such a good series of games!

I already own all the main KoF games (and 3 versions of KoF &#8217;98, as I&#8217;m a dick), so the idiotic completist in me will no doubt win out when it comes to purchasing KoF XIII, and that&#8217;s even before I take into account the omnipresent horror of white male privilege.

Yes, being a white European male means that the misogyny and racism in the game don&#8217;t directly affect me (though obviously any misogyny or racism affects society as a whole), so I&#8217;ll probably be able to play the game quite happily, with only the occasional grimace or exclamation of &#8220;ooh that&#8217;s a bit dodgy&#8221; when confronted with the problematic aspects.

I am not happy about this, and recognize this as a definite problem. I&#8217;d like to have the courage of my convictions and not be able to ignore the shitty parts of this game, but I know that I will, as a new King of Fighters is too tempting an offer for me to pass up. White male privilege. The world is aimed at me.

So, King of Fighters XIII &#8211; actively being offensive to a large part of the population, and making me a self-hating coward. Is this what I want from a £40 game? No, but I won&#8217;t let it put me off actually making the purchase.

Shit.
 
Man, my already wounded ego as an SNK fan seeing this kind of thing as kicking a man when he's down, and maybe it's my burgeoning belief that these honky press dudes have some kind of filter that renders Japanese sexism somehow more offensive than the kind that is in American games, but fuck Penny Arcade and doublefuck Kuchera after this shit. You could in no uncertain terms say the exact same shit about Street Fighter 4. Maybe the background characters are depicted a bit more cartoonishly in KOF13 (in as much as they move around and have personality), but that once again comes down on the "art interpretation" issue that Dragon's Crown had.

Certain characters disrespect women? Since when has a character acting like an asshole been anything other than characterization of an asshole character? Do you think that Rockstar endorses everybody going out and becoming a violent methhead because Trevor exists? Is this not the exact same kind of boneheaded logic that people who say "WELL GAMES HAVE GUNS AND KILLING PEOPLE SO PLAYING THEM WILL MAKE YOU KILL PEOPLE WITH A GUN"?

But no, I guess the American press wold rather have fighting games where you skullfuck an opponent's head with your fist where all the women look like they came out of the most nightmarish plasticky porno ever filmed. Not to mention the way it looks when you're getting on the case of a niche fighting game when your damned employers have their own "sensitivity" shitstorm. Fuck 'em. They're now on my banned media list with Kotaku. YES I MAD. There seems to be this contingent of weirdos who won't be happy until every character in videogames is "sensibly dressed", generically multi-ethnic, and bland in characterization like they're from a goddamn GAP ad. I bet these are the same fuckers who LOVE Nathan "brunette white dude in t-shirt and jenes who commits genocide all over foreigners and he is just SO CHARMING" Drake. Rarararasghbleghg
 

RedSwirl

Junior Member
It's a legit issue to bring up, but the writer here acts like KOF13 is the first SNK game he's played, or possibly even the first fighting game where he's paid real attention to the characters. The Brazil tweet in particular shows a massive lack of attention. If he wanted to bring attention to possible sexism/racism in fighting games, the article should've been a more well-researched look at the entire genre, including the history behind all the SNK games and characters.
 
Is it truly too difficult to differentiate the very distinct sections of Penny Arcade and the people that run them? This is maybe the third thread about Penny Arcade where it seems a good amount of people don't understand what the PA Report is relative to the Penny Arcade comic, and the fact that there is no visible overlap at all in who manages the two, and there seems to be a fair amount of effort in place to reinforce the fact that the two entities are different beasts.

Regardless of what you think of Ben Kuchera's and Andrew Groen's works, or Jerry Holkins and Mike Krahulik's works, it is just frustrating when people base thoughts or arguments off the assumption that the two groups are the same. They exist in the same company, yes, but there's little to be gained by assuming that the creators of the Penny Arcade comic and PAX are the same people who write the PA Report, I think if we're going to discuss the issues we may have with either, we should do so with an understanding of the actual individual who is behind it.
 

BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Progressive-minded outrage seems to be 90% of gaming journalism these days. I guess that's how you get clicks when the topic of your site is a silly entertainment medium.
 

galvatron

Member
I think this is actually awful.

Would you spare more than 6 words to express what you dislike in the article?

I think it shows enough of the history of some of the more offending tropes to allow the reader to see why they exist rather than simply making a laundry list of objections or taking a major detour in what is, on its surface, a review of the steam port.
 
Where were they when Capcom made El Fuerte a Mexican Luchador who was A Chef in his spare time? Fighting games use cultural caricatures. I've never been offended but I don't expect much from them.
 

mnz

Unconfirmed Member
Harder to make that comparison, especially on a forum. If we sat down and chatted face-to-face it'd work much better. Anyway, a videogame character is a deliberate creation. It does not dress itself, nor make a conscious design choice of its own accord. Everything single thing about it has been created in that manner for a reason. The character is not choosing to dress in a manner that is revealing. It has been constructed to do so. It is not aware of it's appearance. Does that make sense?
Well yes. But Mai, for example, is one of several female characters of different types. If they were all like that, I could understand why one would assume malintent by the creators. Let's say at one point, they just wanted to put different kinds of women in the game, when would it be ok for some of them to dress sexy? If "never" is the answer, then that is just as insulting and sexist as the other way around in my opinion.
 

akira28

Member
oh no, they finely crafted Mai's breasts, that's sexism!! or sexy...I can't tell which....but sex and bodies are eeeeeeviiilllll!!!#!$#9!%$7#9r23y*bangheadonkeyboard*

When did video gaming get so political all of a sudden?

When they discovered they could get more clicks from non-core gamers by doing so.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
the backlash here is embarassing. dude makes good points and i'm glad we can have these discussions in video games now. we need them badly.

I don't understand the outrage against the piece. It seems like the points are somewhat valid, and I always appreciate reviews that tackle a game from a new perspective.


NO GAMES ARE PERFECT

FEMINISM IS RUINING GAMES
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
My criticism of the piece would be that the author comes off as naive about the genre and kind of framing it as if there's some kind of malicious attitude on the part of the game creators - the bit with the Japan stage being presented as an attempt by the creators to "cover their ass" with plausible deniability about their terrible racism.

If the author really thinks that, I think it's way off base.
 

Arklite

Member
this whole political correctness that the gaming press is embracing its getting out of hand..

its good when u get mad at the correct things but when u start to see evil on everything u are also part of the problem
No joke, a game can't absolutely conform to 100% of every individual's ideals. How PC is your game? Not PC enough.
 

jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
My criticism of the piece would be that the author comes off as naive about the genre and kind of framing it as if there's some kind of malicious attitude on the part of the game creators - the bit with the Japan stage being presented as an attempt by the creators to "cover their ass" with plausible deniability about their terrible racism.

If the author really thinks that, I think it's way off base.

racism and misogyny shouldn't get a pass just because its borne of ignorance and not maliciousness

No joke, a game can't absolutely conform to 100% of every individual's ideals. How PC is your game? Not PC enough.

there are a lot of minorities playing games now, and representing them in a nonembarassing way is a good way to appeal to this large, growing playerbase.

too often "political correctness" gets thrown around when people really mean "ugh white men are already represented well shut up"
 

tm24

Member
My criticism of the piece would be that the author comes off as naive about the genre and kind of framing it as if there's some kind of malicious attitude on the part of the game creators - the bit with the Japan stage being presented as an attempt by the creators to "cover their ass" with plausible deniability about their terrible racism.

If the author really thinks that, I think it's way off base.
The Egypt criticism feels hollow too. I'm like, really?
 
This is an objectively bad review. It tells you nothing about how the game actually plays. Wouldn't you want to get a better idea of how the game mechanics and how it works differently than it's contemporaries if you wanted to buy the game? They basically just said it plays well, but that doesn't tell me anything at all. How would certain mechanics like the jump arcs or even the meter system make you play differently than street fighter and etc? You won't get a clue about questions like that from this kind of review.

Not only that, but the author doesn't even research the context of what they are criticizing. In game if you have Mai vs. another character in story mode, they straight up CALL HER OUT, on how she dresses and it's not the first time. Even in SVC Chaos they said the same thing, even Chun-Li was close to arresting her for public indecency. It's a straight up self aware gag at this point. I would say most of the females in KOF carry themselves well. Pretty much the rest of the cast, which was not named in the article.

I wish the AOF clothes ripped also happened to Ryo and Robert. I remember playing that game on snes and that happened with every character when you did a special finish on them. They probably did do it only for King and Yuri for fanservice and because it was suppose to remind you of the moment in AOF when you do find out King is a girl. I hope that you can break Mr. Karate's Tengu nose in the next KOF.

Honestly if the writers want to talk about their qualms it should be through an editorial instead of a review. A review would entail at least some degree of mechanical insight. This feels way more like an opinion piece than anything.
 
the backlash here is embarassing. dude makes good points and i'm glad we can have these discussions in video games now. we need them badly.




NO GAMES ARE PERFECT

FEMINISM IS RUINING GAMES

Sure does. I like the part where he says that even though they parody all cultures, it's still racist because you're not allowed to make fun of some cultures.
Guy's a stinkin genius.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
racism and misogyny shouldn't get a pass just because its borne of ignorance and not maliciousness

That origins and context can be a difficult thing to ascertain in a lot of cases seems why it's sometimes better to talk about general trends rather than attack a specific work where you have to stretch to frame it a certain way.

The article comes off as reaching, which may make it seem the author is less interested in opening up a conversation about this long running tradition in fighting games and more like they were writing clickbait.
 

Shane

Member
Well yes. But Mai, for example, is one of several female characters of different types. If they were all like that, I could understand why one would assume malintent by the creators. Let's say at one point, they just wanted to put different kinds of women in the game, when would it be ok for some of them to dress sexy? If "never" is the answer, then that is just as insulting and sexist as the other way around in my opinion.

Context is everything. Why should a female character exist to be 'sexy'? What is the purpose of that design choice.

I'm not asking you that question directly but it's worth thinking about. What does that add? If it's simply that she's good to look at - in a 'sexy' way - then the design decision was to objectify her in that manner. She exists in that appearance/skin to be seen as an object. No different to a sports car in a racing game - it's a designed skin that exists in that manner for a reason. These aren't actresses on a stage that can input their own opinion/will/style/attitude/clothing/etc. They are virtual creations where every inch of them is deliberate, with a reason and not self aware.

I'm generalising here because forums are hardly the best place for the discussion. It doesn't mean you should dislike something because it may have have an element of objectification. It isn't black and white to me. '70s exploitation had some pretty bad attitudes to women but I like many of the films, for example. But conversations came from that and continue onwards within cinema (Transformers 3 had much worse attitudes to women then those old films; that did have a serious issue).
 

mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Certain things about KOF13 seem a bit weird from a racial/sexual perspective, but no more so than many other fighting games, and quite a bit less so than some.
Nothing wrong with stepping back and thinking about those things, then. If someone wants to show their perspective in an article, I don't consider it 'click bait'. It does show that they're an outsider to the FGC, but nothing wrong with an outsiders perspective on stuff that most people think of as backwards but those guys think of as harmless tradition.
 

Tain

Member
i am totally shocked that mai in kof was called out before the entire cast of
western "indie" game
skullgirls

funny that
 

TGMIII

Member
the backlash here is embarassing. dude makes good points and i'm glad we can have these discussions in video games now. we need them badly.

What discussion? There's nothing here but blanket statements.

If you want to talk about how fighting games or KOF specifically then lets talk about it. Lets talk about the origins of the KOF characters, lets talk about the mindset that designers were in when they first created these characters and how they might not apply to common day design and how we can possibly update them while still maintaining the essence of characters that have over 18 years of history. Lets get into actual discussion, analysis, research and critiquing of their design.

There's so much than you can touch on here but instead you got a poorly written article that touches on nothing.
 
We are at the turn of a generation. Publishers are doing anti consumer practices left and right, platform holders are trying to gimp games on competitors systems, the biggest game in 5 years is being sold broken on PSN and countless other stuff is happening left and right yet all games jounos can seem to write about is sexism and ludonarrative dissonance.

:/
 

Silky

Banned
This is the 'gross body' of 'casual sexism'


If you're going to make critcism of a two year old game based off of a series with nearly 20 years of relevancy, yet /refuse/ to acknowledge the other overwhelming positives the game has for females, and choose to disregard any sense of criticism of your article, you're just....wow. There is no sexism in that game, nor does it possess a sexist environment, other than the Women Fighters Team.

though coming from SNK's past history with stage selections...they could've done better, really.
 

orioto

Good Art™
The article is so clueless.. KOF is nowhere near realistic, political, societal.. or any kind of thing in relation with actual life.

I mean fat girls in Europe. How is that even offensive. That's just completly surrealistic and poetic, in a "this is an artistic vision, not a "view" on reality". This is grotesque and naive. That's called art.

Some people just forgot that videogames didn't always try to be an uncanny version of our world..
 
Context is everything. Why should a female character exist to be 'sexy'? What is the purpose of that design choice.

I'm not asking you that question directly but it's worth thinking about. What does that add? If it's simply that she's good to look at - in a 'sexy' way - then the design decision was to objectify her in that manner. She exists in that appearance/skin to be seen as an object. No different to a sports car in a racing game - it's a designed skin that exists in that manner for a reason.

I'm generalising here because forums are hardly the best place for the discussion. It doesn't mean you should dislike something because it may have have an element of objectification. It isn't black and white to me. '70s exploitation had some pretty bad attitudes to women but I like many of the films, for example. But conversations came from that and continue onwards within cinema (Transformers 3 had much worse attitudes to women then those old films; that did have a serious issue).

I would say Mai is quite obviously meant to be a sexy character. What does it add? I know a bunch of people will say something about this, but her characterization and the fact that she is unique compared to other characters in the cast. She obviously is single minded in her pursuits and flaunts her body, something that is apparent in the story modes of this game and the previous ones. In fact, the whole cast knows this and quite a few of them even tell her to cover up or are even embarrassed to be around her. You think she's stupid and a bimbo? Well that's great, you're not alone in your opinion and SNK knows that and will even point it out. If you remove Mai, then obviously there isn't anyone else who has her characteristics in the cast.

You still have your other options if your taste in characters are different. If you wanted classy, why not pick Elizabeth; if you wanted psychotic, anyone on team Iori, they also don't really flaunt their goods like Mai either (Mature flashes her tattoo on her back for .5 a second in her neomax, but you probably would be more worried about the huge red attack that's coming).
 
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