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[Mik2121]

I think your system is better, frankly. I honestly think most people would rather have stability in their income, and I'd feel better about everyone being guaranteed a minimum, livable wage.

That said, this is the system we have here, and while I do not like it I'm going to harm those at the bottom because of some sort of misguided sense of principle.

I know. In Spain there's usually a small fee called "service fee" (do you guys have it too?) that's basically like a tip, but it's already in the price of what you order, so you don't need to pay for your food and then leave a tip. You just leave a tip if, as I said before, the service was better than you expected or you just want to say "thanks" in a way.

But yeah, crazy stuff going on over there

 

[JordanN]

That in itself shows a massive lack of judgment and empathy on your part. A CEO does not merit the same amount of empathy as a janitor.

Then that's too bad because factually, both are people who took on jobs.

This means that you are directly benefiting from stiffing someone, and that makes you an asshole.

I don't see myself as benefiting, as this assumes I'm accepting another service.

 

[Onemic]

It blows my mind that you guys have this.

that's acutally hung up on a restaurant wall? I'm probably more likely to stiff them on tip lol.

 

[Darryl]

Why is he not? How doesn't it appear wrong to anyone?
I can't think of any justification and tipping are certainly not a valid one.

You employ someone, you pay it enough for him to make a living. If you think bypassing this is right, then what the hell son.

walk down the streets of the U.S. and ask who agrees with the tipping system, I doubt you'll find many. it's just the way it is, for better or worse.

 

[FindMyFarms]

Would make you sound like a crazy guy if you said it in Europe or where I live now. Yikes!

No way, you mean different countries are different?? unbelievable.

 

[SouthernDragon]

Then that's too bad because factually, both are people who took on jobs.



I don't see myself as benefiting, as this assumes I'm accepting another service.

Your reasoning is wring, because both jobs are different. Full stop.

And you are benefiting since you have chosen to accept their service by either eating at the restaurant or ordering delivery.

 

[Krabardaf]

Few people think that this is "right". But it is the system as it is and until it changes, we must be pragmatic.

Yes i've rushed in this thread a bit fast. read your post and you're making sense.
Still, what a crap system. I would feel guilty anytime i'm ordering anything...

 

[Slayven]

Batshit crazy

 

[faceless007]

I don't really understand why people are so adamant against tipping without realizing the logical consequences of it. Tipping under the current system covers the cost of labor of serving you. If tipping were not the accepted norm, that cost would be built into the base price of every item, and so the prices would be higher. You would pay roughly the same amount on your final bill, you just wouldn't have any mechanism to directly reward good service or punish bad service. I can perhaps see an argument as to why that isn't necessary and every item should have a fixed price anyway, but that isn't the system we currently have. We currently have a system where tipping is expected and prices reflect that.

Which means that anyone who participates in the current system but does not tip, is effectively not paying for the cost of labor that went into serving them, and so that cost has to be taken out of the restaurant's other income.

In other words, people who don't tip are freeloading off the checks of other diners who do because that cost of labor gets taken out of their bills.

So I hope I never dine at the same restaurant that you non-tippers do. Because I don't want my money to subsidize your cheapskate ways.

 

[Mik2121]

No way, you mean different countries are different?? unbelievable.

Uhm... yeah. I know, right? (??)

It was just a comment, did you really need to point it out in that way?

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Does that article really have almost 16,000 comments?

Damn, tipping really is a hot topic.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

We don't tip in my country. Feels good man.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

It blows my mind that you guys have this.

that's acutally hung up on a restaurant wall? I'm probably more likely to stiff them on tip lol.

IT'S A WEBSITE

 

[FindMyFarms]

Uhm... yeah. I know, right? (??)

It was just a comment, did you really need to point it out in that way?

I dunno, your mind seemed pretty blown that another country could possibly be doing things different. YOU'D BE CRAZY TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE MAN!!!! Hey did you know we don't throw spears at bulls here? If someone suggested that theyd look like an asshole!!

 

[Deleted member 12837]

Then that's too bad because factually, both are people who took on jobs.



I don't see myself as benefiting, as this assumes I'm accepting another service.

You're benefitting from cheaper food. Without a tipping culture, food prices go up to cover the cost of paying servers more.

I don't really understand why people are so adamant against tipping without realizing the logical consequences of it. Tipping under the current system covers the cost of labor of serving you. If tipping were not the accepted norm, that cost would be built into the base price of every item, and so the prices would be higher. You would pay roughly the same amount on your final bill, you just wouldn't have any mechanism to directly reward good service or punish bad service. I can perhaps see an argument as to why that isn't necessary and every item should have a fixed price anyway, but that isn't the system we currently have. We currently have a system where tipping is expected and prices reflect that.

Which means that anyone who participates in the current system but does not tip, is effectively not paying for the cost of labor that went into serving them, and so that cost has to be taken out of the restaurant's other income.

In other words, people who don't tip are freeloading off the checks of other diners who do because that cost of labor gets taken out of their bills.

So I hope I never dine at the same restaurant that you non-tippers do. Because I don't want my money to subsidize your cheapskate ways.

I tried to make this point a page or 2 ago but it got mostly ignored :/

 

[daycru]

Food delivery is just going to go away soon in a lot of places.

 

[krameriffic]

Who the fuck buys $1400 worth of pizza in one go?

 

[JordanN]

Your reasoning is wring, because both jobs are different. Full stop.

So because they're different, one job demands more empathy than the other, even though they're still both jobs? That does not resonate with me.

And you are benefiting since you have chosen to accept their service by either eating at the restaurant or ordering delivery.

That service belongs to the restaurant. Anything else is make believe.

 

[The Adder]

Nonsense outside of America. Nobody expects you to tip here. I could say that to any delivery man or waiter and he would find it odd that I even mention it. That would just be a senseless, awkward situation. Not tipping is the norm.

Your system seems inherently wrong. Staff should be paid enough for it not to require tips, period.

I wasn't talking to non-Americans, as previously stated. The system sucksm but it's the system. When it's not the system THEN you won't be a selfish prick for not tipping in the US.

 

[Alucrid]

You're benefitting from cheaper food. Without a tipping culture, food prices go up to cover the cost of paying servers more.



I tried to make this point a page or 2 ago but it got mostly ignored :/

People enjoy being outraged over things they don't understand.

 

[CrankyJay]

Pizza place should have instituted a delivery fee prior to this to give to the delivery person.

 

[JordanN]

You're benefitting from cheaper food. Without a tipping culture, food prices go up to cover the cost of paying servers more.

Food being cheaper has nothing to do with me apart from paying.

 

[Pennywise]

I dunno, your mind seemed pretty blown that another country could possibly be doing things different. YOU'D BE CRAZY TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE MAN!!!! Hey did you know we don't throw spears at bulls here? If someone suggested that theyd look like an asshole!!

No reason to be so defensive...

 

[Krabardaf]

You're benefitting from cheaper food. Without a tipping culture, food prices go up to cover the cost of paying servers more.

I don't get this. If you're supposed to tip then your food isn't really cheaper.
Plus I don't know your prices but Pizzas here are pretty cheap anyway.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

Food being cheaper has nothing to do with me apart from paying.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

I don't get this. If you're supposed to tip then your food isn't really cheaper.
Plus I don't know your prices but Pizzas here are pretty cheap anyway.

By going against the societal norm in a tipping culture and not tipping, the food ends up being cheaper than what it would cost in a non-tipping culture. See the faceless007 post I quoted above for a more detailed explanation.

 

[J10]

If you think you're entitled to good service, you should be expected to pay for it. In some cases, tipping is part of paying for it. If you think that system is wrong, fucking over the individual serving you who depends on tipping to make their living is not the right way to fight that system.

You're not being held hostage, you're just being asked to help a fellow human being get by. That's not a bad thing.

 

[FindMyFarms]

No reason to be so defensive...

I'm not? He's just acting like brandon frasier in that movie where he saw a black guy for the first time lol, i had to comment on the ridiculousness of it.

Also your post in conjunction with your avatar gives me the impression that your saying that non chalantly haha

 

[GhostWriter24]

Holy shit, tip-GAF!

Glad I'm not a fucking waiter at your tables.

 

[Biff]

$10 is too cheap, but $100-200 is outrageous. That pizza place made bank on guaranteed 85 pizzas of profit. When the employees crush out that amount of profit in a short amount of time, it should be the business's responsibility to pass a representative bonus along to the employees - NOT the customer.

I usually tip $3 on top of a $3 delivery fee. That is a tip for the guy loading a pizza, driving, taking the elevator up, and delivering the pizza. If he has to make 10 trips back to his car for 85 pizzas, then fine, $30 is fair. But clearly the % tip rule doesn't apply universally.

Who the fuck buys $1400 worth of pizza in one go?

A conference? University event? Fundraising drive? Tons of examples come to mind.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I don't get this. If you're supposed to tip then your food isn't really cheaper.
Plus I don't know your prices but Pizzas here are pretty cheap anyway.

He's talking about benefiting by not tipping. Dude, read more carefully.

 

[JordanN]

That has nothing to do with what I said.

It's no more benefiting than anything that doesn't have rules.

Tipping isn't mandatory so it has nothing to do with me.

Call it imaginary benefits I guess.

 

[jstevenson]

I usually figure it's like a buck a pizza or something, so I 70-85 would've been reasonable

 

[PrimaNocta]

cheap bastard. He definitely deserves $30-$40 tip for delivering 85 pizzas. I would have loved to see a picture of how it looked in a vehicle...lol.

but 10% or more like some of ya are saying is ridiculous.

 

[Ronald_mcd]

No point trying to get JordanN to get the concept. Too thick.

 

[Pennywise]

I'm not? He's just acting like brandon frasier in that movie where he saw a black guy for the first time lol, i had to comment on the ridiculousness of it.

No need to mention the spears in a tipping thread....
If you want to oppose him directly, there are definitly better examples in European labour systems, that are ridicilous and which you don't know about.
And that's the whole point.
I guess he was more suprised to see such a crippled system within such a wealthy country.
There are of course some methods/systems in Europe, which of course would surpise you as well.

 

[TedNindo]

Over here Pizza's are somewhere between 7 and 13 euro's delivered depending on the topping. No tips. And this country could be considered a socialist state by American standards. The dude delivering makes minimum wage and has social security paid for him by his boss. He might get a tip if he's friendly or speedy.

 

[FindMyFarms]

Holy shit, tip-GAF!

Glad I'm not a fucking waiter at your tables.

Tip gaf is not indicative at all of the normal every day diner in america. 99% of people are alright when dining in a restaurant, unless you work at some crappy seedy place.

 

[Krabardaf]

He's talking about benefiting by not tipping. Dude, read more carefully.

Yeah I should be sleeping, but got it.

 

[Alucrid]

Holy shit, tip-GAF!

Glad I'm not a fucking waiter at your tables.

Huh? I tip 20%.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

It's no more benefiting than anything that doesn't have rules.

Tipping isn't mandatory so it has nothing to do with me.

No it's not mandatory, and no it's not as strict as a law (like paying taxes), but it IS a societal norm. You're in the minority by not tipping for service that isn't awful in a tipping culture, and as such you are receiving a benefit (cheaper food) than everyone else. Everyone else is subsidizing the labor that you refuse to pay for.

Again, see faceless007's post that I quoted above. If you don't agree with the system, fine. Just don't eat out at a restaurant in a tipping culture if you refuse to participate in it like everyone else.

 

[FindMyFarms]

I guess he was more suprised to see such a crippled system within such a wealthy country.

Right, hence the brandon frasier seeing a black guy for the first time. I don't think I"m the defensive one here lol...

And no, things being done differently in Europe are not going to surprise me.

Huh? I tip 20%.

Hes obviously referring to the other half of the crowd, not everyone on gaf is dumb

 

[Krabardaf]

Over here Pizza's are somewhere between 7 and 13 euro's delivered depending on the topping. No tips. And this country could be considered a socialist state by American standards. The dude delivering makes minimum wage and has social security paid for him by his boss.

Can get some with plenty of toppings for 6€ in Liège
Cheapest I found though.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

No point trying to get JordanN to get the concept. Too thick.

It's not so much thickheadedness as that his worldview appears to be minimum social cooperation. Jobs are jobs. Prices are prices. No social context.

 

[JordanN]

No it's not mandatory, and no it's not as strict as a law (like paying taxes), but it IS a societal norm. You're in the minority by not tipping for service that isn't awful in a tipping culture, and as such you are receiving a benefit (cheaper food) than everyone else. Everyone else is subsidizing the labor that you refuse to pay for.

How can you prove this when tipping isn't enforced?

Just don't eat out at a restaurant in a tipping culture.

I don't think so.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

So if I go out to eat at a restaurant and don't tell the waiter/waitress that I don't want to tip before hand, then I'm a cheap piece of shit?

I also find the notion that if you can't afford to tip that you shouldn't go out to eat quite ludicrous. That image reeks of entitlement.

Why wouldn't you tell them first? Is there something wrong with the behavior that makes you afraid to tell people what you will do?

 

[Ronald_mcd]

It's not so much thickheadedness as that his worldview appears to be minimum social cooperation. Jobs are jobs. Prices are prices. No social context.

Doesn't seem to grasp that the "tip" would just be automatically added to the bill and he would be forced to "tip" if it weren't for our tipping culture.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

How can you prove this when tipping isn't enforced?

Prove which part? That it's a societal norm, and the majority of people tip?

I don't think so.

Ok, so you ARE receiving a benefit then. You're making the decision to eat at restaurants where the food is cheaper than it otherwise would be, because you've decided not to tip. You're taking advantage of the tipping culture.

 

[Alucrid]

Prove which part? That it's a societal norm, and the majority of people tip?



Ok, so you ARE receiving a benefit then. You're making the decision to eat at restaurants where the food is cheaper than it otherwise would be, because you've decided not to tip. You're taking advantage of the tipping culture.

Probably the prices going up.

 

[la flama blanca]

I got 150 dollar tip on a 20 dollar order. Fuck yeah. Trickle down economics bitches.

 

[JordanN]

Prove which part? That it's a societal norm, and the majority of people tip?

You say tipping is expected but also acknowledged it's not forced. Where's the benefit?

I also noticed you made an exception,

"not tipping for service that isn't awful "

What if I say all service is awful, what then?