adamantypants
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Scorpio is going to inadvertently make me spend $1500
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Project Scorpio supports FreeSync and next-gen HDMI
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RowdyReverb
Member
So, if a TV supports HDMI 2.1, does that definitely mean it will support VRR?
Hesemonni
Banned
These alone will sell atleast three Scorpios!
I guess everyone can express their opinion, but when every post that's made by certain individuals in a thread is quoting another poster's positive take on the news with their negative spin you have to question their motives. But just like most positive Xbox threads this one will be hijacked at the end of its life by negative nannies going back and forth.
Agree. I will say this, the XBO S and the Scorpio gave me reasons to actually want their consoles. Didnt feel that with the orig XBO.
The PS4 I wanted from day one, the Pro from day one.
Its not so much Sony dropped the ball with the Pro, its IMO MS did with with the orig XBO.. And have alot more ground to make up for. Not calling Sony arrogant or complacent either but there was no need to go so above and beyond with the Pro.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
1: HDMI 2.1 is not finalized at the moment so TV manufacturers can't update their tv's at this time.
2: We've already seen PS3 firmware updates for HDMI and PS4 in the past. PS4 Pro released not that long ago, so it's logical they knew already about the HDMI 2.1 specs back then.
Can't claim what, that the specs and features leave the Pro behind? But they just do. We know what the specs and features are. As for pricing? Yeah, I can see where it might be more expensive, but it is damn sure designed to last and is definitely a big enough bump to last me at least 5 years, so I'm good.
As far as Sony goes, I am sticking with the base PS4. Whenever PS5 or whatever does release, I will certainly be there as well. As I love the exclusives too much not to be. But by the end of this year, Scorpio will easily have the best specs and features between the systems that are on the market. This is just reality, man.
get2sammyb
Member
To be fair, though, you can use that same argument with every single piece of tech ever. Microsoft could wait another year on Scorpio, and guess what? It'd be even better.
That's just how it works.
This might actually encourage me to replace my C6 OLED next year if LG's 2018 models support the new HDMI standard. That would be all kinds of awesome, Scorpio keeps on delivering so far.
You know, Sony could bring out PS4 Super-Pro, or even PS5 (unlikely) late next year with an additional power advantage over Scorpio and some other unique features. Will you then be asking why MS rushed Scorpio out a year early?
I would say yes since its a built in feature for HDMI 2.1, we currently have no TVs released with such specs though. They are likely to drop later this year, expensive year if planning to pickup scorpio too X_X
Great move. This will be a significant breakthrough for game consoles, and a real feather in Microsoft's cap for getting there first. Of course it requires display support so the real question will be how long it takes for mainstream adoption in televisions.
Hopefully Samsung considers firmware updates to existing displays to get the technology to a wide audience. Of course it would be hard to resist making this the "must have" new feature to sell a bunch of new televisions.
Hopefully Samsung considers firmware updates to existing displays to get the technology to a wide audience. Of course it would be hard to resist making this the "must have" new feature to sell a bunch of new televisions.
AngelOFDeath
Member
VRR is within HDMI 2.1, but given how much of an asshole the manufacturers have been with updating HDMI firmware, expect to just buy another TV.
nillapuddin
Member
I was 1000% set on making the 4k HDR OLED upgrade this fall for Scorpio (from 2012 LED 1080p).
Now this has made me doubt myself
Now this has made me doubt myself
TLZ
Banned
Does this mean TVs with 2.0 can add vrr only via an update? Please say yes. I just bought an oled few months ago and won't be buying another for many many years.
Exactly.
amdb00mer
Member
Um, do you not understand what i'm saying? I'm saying the actual hardware and spec will be ratified before Scorpio, so Scorpio can have the physical HDMI 2.1 implemented. Who said anything about software patches. Where the heck did you pull that from? Not from me. Also you can't have VRR/Freesync 2 for TVs without supporting HDMI 2.1.
http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/index.aspx
Radical Edward
Member
It's really weird. What do they think the Scorpio would look like if it released last yr at the Pro's price or vice versa? They are playing leapfrog right now. When PS5 hits, does that make the Scorpio half-assed? No. For me, the Pro isn't worth upgrading to and I wouldn't upgrade to Scorpio if I still had my Xbox one. However, for someone jumping in now, both are attractive options and have their pros and cons.
Obviously, but Sony had that crown since 2013, and again, isn't it kinda expected that hardware that launches a year later is more capable in terms of power? That's a no brainer.
You're acting like Microsoft is outclassing Sony here, as if both consoles launch at the same time. It's a weird stance to take, because one of them is in people's homes right now playing some of the most graphically advanced games, and the other isn't launching for at least 6 months. Yeah no shit there will be differences.
It's likely the two systems will leapfrog each other every two years or so. I wouldn't be under the assumption that any console would serve as 'the best' for more than 18 months or so.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
This. People need to stop with that "hallf-ass" and rushed bullshit. We can also talk about the One how Microsoft fucked-up the launch, used DDR3 etc etc..
We can call that a "rushed console".
MightyHedgehog
Member
The best thing about having this for a console is that it helps it to age much, much better over time when more and more titles trade performance for shine factor. Obviously, it helps all of those games that have issues regardless of how they're pushing things, too. A very necessary option for consoles going forward.
WaterAstro
Member
How about G-Sync? Kappa
That's a pretty nice move, but I guess it had to be freesync since it's AMD gpu, right? I wonder if Sony could end up doing the same thing since it's not exactly a hardware requirement. Well I think Sony is using a compatible GPU.
That's a pretty nice move, but I guess it had to be freesync since it's AMD gpu, right? I wonder if Sony could end up doing the same thing since it's not exactly a hardware requirement. Well I think Sony is using a compatible GPU.
Well, the Point is:
The difference between Xbox One and Xbox Scorpio is MUCH bigger than the difference between PS4 and PS4 Pro. In fact there are Even games released right now that Run and look the same on ps4 and PS4 Pro. How is this Even possible? I doubt We will See anything like that with Scorpio.
See: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1359414
TLZ
Banned
Ugh.
I've read somewhere when 2.1 was announced that some of its features could be added to 2.0 via an update, but what, when and how wasn't specified. I still hope this is true. All I want is vrr.
And you still have to buy Scorpio.
How is that a point? The XB1 launched underpowered compared to the PS4 and Scorpio is launching a year later than the PS4 Pro.
Yeah no shit the difference is bigger. It would be a joke if it weren't.
But then again, they still kept it rather modest going with Jaguar/Polaris. If Microsoft wanted, they could have gone way further with newer architectures at the expense of a higher price. They didn't. Maybe the next console will, who knows.
That's not related to the power of either system. That's got more to do with Sony not making it mandatory to patch a pro version. They only said it shouldn't run worse, if I'm not mistaken.
Radical Edward
Member
No one is arguing that. Most are saying its not fair to call the Pro half-assed due to when it launched and its price
semicustom zen is not ready for this year, there's no way they could have done that and launched this holiday if they were designing the console's innards last year, vega as well on that timetable
People are living in a fantasy world of they think any TV manufacturer will patch in VRR support or will somehow update 2016 and 2017 TVs to HDMI 2.1. This is the perfect excuse to force people to repurchase a TV yet again. Remember all those receivers and tvs that had HDMI 2.0 ports which ended up being useless since they couldn't be updated to HDMI 2.0a with HDCP 2.2 support. There is no guarantee the 2018 TVs will even have proper HDMI 2.1 support.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Wow, Freesync is quite the bomb shell. Xbox team really went all out with Scorpio. Can't wait for 4K-Freesync Halo 5 MP
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Because all those games where designed for the original PS4, with most games added support for Pro.
I think after E3, we will see more games take full advantage of the ps4 pro hardware.
Or TV with VRR especially affordable.
Yes im partially trying to make myself feel better about my tv purchase lol
That was most definitely regarding Black Ops 2
TLZ
Banned
Dynamic hdr and vrr dont require the new 48g cable at 4k60. So I'm hoping TV manufacturers can add these via firmware to 2.0.
"Then why are they rushing it out this year? They could have made a so much more powerful console if they just waited another year!"
- ironcreed.
Just joking, obviously. But that kinda kills that argument.
Ah. Yep, makes sense.
VincentMatts
Member
Like i said in the other thread, some TVs like the KS8000 come with a separate box that has the HDMI inputs. The inputs are not in the actual TV. You plug that box in the TV itself. Theoretically, you could just get a newer one of those boxes with HDMI 2.1 inputs whenever they come out and replace it.
Thats what i love about this TV.
nillapuddin
Member
What I clicked on: Project Scorpio specific thread
What I expected: New information and impressions about Project Scorpio
What I got: PS4 Pro debate
Can we seriously not devolve into console wars everyyyyy fucking time.
What I expected: New information and impressions about Project Scorpio
What I got: PS4 Pro debate
Can we seriously not devolve into console wars everyyyyy fucking time.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
It's a really good feature, but for the most part, it's almost never going to be used, unless you use a FreeSync gaming monitor or wait another 2 years and hope that a company decides to actually have the ability to use FreeSync/Variable Refresh.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
DDR3 on XB1 made a lot of sense. Sony got exceptionally lucky that GDDR5 memory modules increased in size and decreased in price at the rate they did; PS4 was very close to launching with 4GB of RAM.
It's possible because not every old game has patches for the pro which will be the same for Scorpio. Not all old games will use Scorpio.
If they leap wasn't bigger from Xbox One to Scorpio than something would be wrong with Scorpio.
I don't think it will be that big of a leap.
wesleyshark
Banned
Was that just referencing BLOPSII going b/c do you think? I hope it's something more than just that.
Complicated
Banned
It seems like a lot of what Microsoft is doing with Scorpio is just way more thoughtful than how Sony went about the Ps4 Pro. Yes, the hardware is more powerful a year later, but the more exciting things are the system-level texture filtering, FreeSync support, system-level supersampling, and an actual UHD Bluray player. This is most certainly where the "half-assed" comments are coming from. Sony is trying to patch in support to make their games run better, and seems to be doing an ok job at it after-the-fact. Microsoft seems to have thought all of this out and is offering quite a bit more to people who already own an Xbox One (or even 360 for that matter) in addition to being quite a bit more powerful than the Pro.