Gamespawn
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It should since all games are fully installed on the hd. The drive only is used to authenticate at boot so that would have already been done.
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PS4 Firmware 2.50 (Yukimura) coming March 26
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Tainted
Member
Reading between the lines, I think he may be asking what happens if you suspend the game, take out the disc and then resume. (assumign you are quick enough to hit the eject button before it powers down)
bananafactory
Banned
I've never run into a spot I couldn't take a screenshot.
Valkyri von Thanatos
Member
Awesome, a day early birthday present!
Do you mean with this update, or in general? There are more than a few portions of games where the share features are blocked, usually cutscenes that the developer/publisher are worried might be considered spoilers. There's an option to tell the player when blocking has occured, and that's what Gacha-pin is referring to. And I wouldn't expect many blocked cutscenes to also trigger screenshots, but it is possible. In that case, I would guess that the PS4 would indeed give you two popups, one letting you know you got a trophy, and one saying that you can't take a screenshot.
I think the blocking is kind of clunky and annoying anyways, but that would be especially disruptive.
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It's great they've finally gotten Suspend and Resume, although I probably will give it a week for people to make sure there are no critical bugs. I still have to wonder what is taking them so long to implement DLNA features the PS3 has, as well as allowing custom themes or at least just custom wallpapers and more than 7 colors. Also, folders. In 3.00 Yoshitsune, maybe?
Do you mean with this update, or in general? There are more than a few portions of games where the share features are blocked, usually cutscenes that the developer/publisher are worried might be considered spoilers. There's an option to tell the player when blocking has occured, and that's what Gacha-pin is referring to. And I wouldn't expect many blocked cutscenes to also trigger screenshots, but it is possible. In that case, I would guess that the PS4 would indeed give you two popups, one letting you know you got a trophy, and one saying that you can't take a screenshot.
I think the blocking is kind of clunky and annoying anyways, but that would be especially disruptive.
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It's great they've finally gotten Suspend and Resume, although I probably will give it a week for people to make sure there are no critical bugs. I still have to wonder what is taking them so long to implement DLNA features the PS3 has, as well as allowing custom themes or at least just custom wallpapers and more than 7 colors. Also, folders. In 3.00 Yoshitsune, maybe?
bananafactory
Banned
I've seen the blocked cutscenes before but AFAIK it only prevented recording, not screenshots. Haven't really tested it though.
That said - I haven't seen any recent game use that recording block feature, it only seems to have been the early PS4 titles
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
What about a decent Twitch app for the PS4??
No
PROh1bited
Banned
Quick question. I'm going to be buying a new 2TB HD next week, and I'm wondering with this new firmware if I can transfer my game downloads over to the new drive. I don't really wanna download all of this stuff again.
Revolutionary
Member
So that I have to suspend my game every time I want to watch a stream? No way. I like the way it is now - it allows me to easily and instantly switch between game and stream with a double tap of the PS button.
That said, it would be nice to view non-PS streams.. but that kinda defeats the purpose of it being called "Live from PlayStation".
ProvenDeadly
Member
This is a random question, but what happens if your internet drops during the firmware update?
I think it will be fine.
Dead Prince
Banned
Hellshingu
Member
This is a satisfactory birthday present.
It doesn't begin installing the update until it's been fully downloaded. It would just restart the download when getting the internet back.
ProvenDeadly
Member
Thanks for the responses guys. My internet has been kind of spotty and dropping recently, didn't want anything screwy to occur.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
In how many hours is gonna be live ? Did they say ?
Tainted
Member
It'll probably still be ok. Pretty sure it does a number of verification tasks before during and after
Im not going to test it out though
Normally they start around 9-10 am in the UK. So about 8hrs...
But you never know with Sony.
I didn't end the sentence though.It'll probably still be ok. Pretty sure it does a number of verification tasks before during and after
Im not going to test it out though
I really wouldn't try that one.GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
Cool, I can check it out before leaving for work
It'll probably still be ok. Pretty sure it does a number of verification tasks before during and after
Im not going to test it out though
Almost every managed download program nowadays checks a hash of the local download and compares it to a hash of the download on the server. If the hashes don't match, they know it messed up and need to download again. Good stuff. I bet even the older gen consoles did this. (This is when you generally see text like "verifying download")
It'll probably still be ok. Pretty sure it does a number of verification tasks before during and after
Im not going to test it out though
It works fine. Early PS3 models had two 128MB flash to make sure there was always a working one, then they moved it to the HDD itself and the system only keeps basic code in a 16MB NAND. If the HDD install somehow gets corrupted you can easily fix it by putting the firmware in a pendrive.
vakarian32
Member
Yay! Time to upgrade my HDD, what does GAF suggest? I was thinking a 2TB SSHD.
It looks like it yep, see bold in my quote above.
Khaos_Knight
Banned
Because both the center of the industry and the majority of Sony's user base are in the west. A team based in Japan is not going to have a proper understanding of western culture and the needs of western consumers to create an ecosystem that can properly fulfill those needs.
Maybe because the vast majority of people don't have 100's of people in their friends list?
They already have that useless and annoying notification that alerts you when a friend joins a party so why the hell can't they simply add a notification that alerts you when a friend logs on?
They can even make it optional for those super social butterflies that have a billion people on their friends list.
You must have not had a PS3 at launch because that thing was straight up anemic.
It didn't even have a store lol
AngryNapkin
Banned
IIRC there are no 2TB SSHDs, your only options are 1TB Seagate SSHD, 2TB 5400 or 750GB 7200.
Well SSDs too but cost of entry is high.
LiquidSolid
Member
Yes it did, it had a shitty webpage that would take 5 minutes to load.
But yeah, saying the PS4 has less features than the PS3 at launch only makes sense if you spent $600 on a console to watch videos/blurays/dvds, listen to music and look at photos. For actual game related stuff, it was trash. No in-game XMB, PSN was feature-less and held together with a string, the store was a shitty webpage, etc.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Celestial Mortal
Member
If this update's changelog doesn't say 'stability improvement' along the other stuff, then I'm gonna lose my shit.
For those upset with how trophy deletion is being handled, I feel it's important to understand how the trophy system works across Sony's consoles:
The PS3 and Vita save trophy data locally and on the PSN servers. This means both consoles have an "Offline Mode," which allows you to view the system's respective trophies. In other words, if you view your trophies in Offline Mode on PS3, you'll only see the PS3 trophy data saved on your console; Vita and PS4 games won't appear because that data isn't stored locally.
The PS4, on the other hand, appears to only save trophy data server-side. If your PS4 isn't connected to the Internet, you can't even view your trophy collection. If you delete a trophy list from your PS4, you're deleting the data saved on PSN servers. The problem with this is that the trophy data is still saved locally on the PS3 and Vita.
What does this mean? Well, I'm guessing that if this data is still saved locally on your consoles, that means every time you sync your trophies from your PS3/Vita, the 0% lists will be re-added to your trophy list. As well, it would likely mean that if you were to format your PS3/Vita, then delete the 0% lists from your PS4, and then sync trophies again, the trophy sets would disappear forever. Of course, if you don't sync your PS3/Vita beforehand, you'd also lose any trophies that have yet to be saved server-side.
Essentially, Sony would also need to update the PS3 and Vita to allow users to delete trophy lists saved locally.
Of course, I could be misinformed about how trophy deletion works on PS4, as I wasn't in the beta test. If anyone with more information would like to correct me, that'd be great; but based on my experience with trophies I think this information is accurate.
The PS3 and Vita save trophy data locally and on the PSN servers. This means both consoles have an "Offline Mode," which allows you to view the system's respective trophies. In other words, if you view your trophies in Offline Mode on PS3, you'll only see the PS3 trophy data saved on your console; Vita and PS4 games won't appear because that data isn't stored locally.
The PS4, on the other hand, appears to only save trophy data server-side. If your PS4 isn't connected to the Internet, you can't even view your trophy collection. If you delete a trophy list from your PS4, you're deleting the data saved on PSN servers. The problem with this is that the trophy data is still saved locally on the PS3 and Vita.
What does this mean? Well, I'm guessing that if this data is still saved locally on your consoles, that means every time you sync your trophies from your PS3/Vita, the 0% lists will be re-added to your trophy list. As well, it would likely mean that if you were to format your PS3/Vita, then delete the 0% lists from your PS4, and then sync trophies again, the trophy sets would disappear forever. Of course, if you don't sync your PS3/Vita beforehand, you'd also lose any trophies that have yet to be saved server-side.
Essentially, Sony would also need to update the PS3 and Vita to allow users to delete trophy lists saved locally.
Of course, I could be misinformed about how trophy deletion works on PS4, as I wasn't in the beta test. If anyone with more information would like to correct me, that'd be great; but based on my experience with trophies I think this information is accurate.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
i can say that fw 2.50 does not do anything to impact loading times
Yeah. Its even worse now. Not only does PS Store have a tile so does PS Now which you can't remove. There should be less fixed tiles not more. They're going in the wrong direction with this UI
JackBauer24
Member
I'm planning on an Uber playthrough of Wolfenstein and will update tomorrow once it's clear that no damage will be done.
Crazyeyez15
Member
Two questions.. When are we expecting this patch to drop? Will it have spotify?
Already been beta tested for a month, so...
Deft Beck
Member
People are speculating that it would arrive on the 29th, with the departure of Music Unlimited. But I doubt that.
pr0cs
Member
After the train wreck the last was,bad enough to patch the patch...I will probably wait a few days.
TheChillyAcademic
Member
So when do we think this will drop tomorrow? Who the hell knows?
Jigolo
Member
Nocturno999
Member
That's for cowards. My PS4 can't wait for dat stability dose.
Was the other one beta tested for a month or....
I love my ps4, but I refuse to put it at risk with out seeing what happens first after what happened last time.
VincentMatts
Member
Very nice update. Good job sony.