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Reddit troll apologizes for trump CNN gif/all those racist remarks
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Hello? This is Hailun!
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Yes.
And CNN did the very nice thing of not exposing him to the world, where generally the news and media have had no problems airing out people's dirty laundry before.
The more this gains steam the likelihood of his info getting revealed. If people actually cared about this dude they'd move on. This guy's bout to learn that the news is actually quite real.
benicillin
Banned
I mean no one should be surprised about this. Again, Reddit is the same place that caped for the middle-aged perverts running subreddits about underage children and creep shots (where photos of women taken without their knowledge or consent were shared) that only got shut down after the Silver Fox 360'd them on national television.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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Since when has a news organization writing information about a person of interest been doxxing?
Psychoward
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wait so what's the difference between doxxing and just finding out the dude's name through his posts and some internet detective work
why did I think doxxing was actually some technical trickery to find out someone's name
why did I think doxxing was actually some technical trickery to find out someone's name
I H8 Memes
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My feelings exactly. What a great day. This dude is like Tilda Swinton at the end of Michael Clayton. Looking like a mouse stuck between a cat and a mouse trap.
Doxxing is releasing a person's private info publicly without their permission in an effort to expose and intimidate them.
A news outlet finding the originator of a meme and not posting it is not doxxing.
doxxing (as I understand it) is releasing someone's public info, for the implied purpose that other people will use that information against them (hacking, harassment, threats of violence, etc)
Saint Gregory
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I could almost understand this kind of defense in the Donald Sterling thread because in that case private conversations were being recorded and then leaked to the press. Explain to me why this particular person deserves to have his identity protected when he was openly posting this material in a public forum and until yesterday seemed quite proud if it?
The grand irony here being that CNN actually is protecting him but just the idea that the threat of being exposed in the future is curtailing bigotry and terrorism seems to be a problem to a lot of people.
Read the specific quote in the story. I'm saying that the things they imply thier decision not to dox are contigent on should not be relevant to an ethical news organization.
He doesnt "deserve" anything. Its just that revealing his name gives us no useful new information and just exposes him to mob justice that has no constraints or proportionality.
Doxxing is literally just publicly posting someone's name, address and any other relevant personal details. This is done for malicious purposes. Hell journalists can name private individuals and the are they live in and this isn't doxxing. No one complains about murder suspects being doxxed by the press for instance as it is clearly in the public interest. The technical aspect of how this information is gained really doesn't come into it.
"We spoke to the middle aged author of the gif and have decided not to post his name" is practically the opposite of doxxing
Psychoward
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so if they did post it, it would be doxxing? why is that an issue in this scenario again?
Psychoward
Banned
mfw I responded to my liberal friend on facebook and he shoots back with
"And I would say this is an attempt to doxx, because the language they use implies that CNN will be releasing his identity as a punitive measure if he makes more of these posts. Again, disagree completely with everything this dude has posted, but still not a fan of CNN trying to flex their power on private citizens, just like I'm not a fan of Trump doing the same thing to reporters."
lmaoooooo
"And I would say this is an attempt to doxx, because the language they use implies that CNN will be releasing his identity as a punitive measure if he makes more of these posts. Again, disagree completely with everything this dude has posted, but still not a fan of CNN trying to flex their power on private citizens, just like I'm not a fan of Trump doing the same thing to reporters."
lmaoooooo
This is correct. The person in question became a part of a much larger whole whether they intended to or not and this isn't simply about CNN bullying a random person making .gifs on the Internet. It has context, a lot of it, and anyone ignoring that isn't arguing in good faith.
CNN did the person a massive favor. And as others have pointed out in this thread, it's not a favor everyone would have received equally.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What's the line between doxxing and reporting names that are part of a story. Like when we know the names of family members of a terrorist, is that doxxing?
BrutishMrFish
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Given that he was creating bigoted imagery featuring a good portion of their organization, I would say the things they imply (ie. that he should stop being racist) are very relevant.
Miles Quaritch
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What does doxing mean?
If they had posted anything, it would just be his name, and this would be after getting a clear of some sort to do so. They would not freely release his name along with his phone number(s), home address, and place of work for the express purpose of getting him targeted by anonymous users.
whatever definition makes me right
MysteryQuesadilla
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People laid out multiple posts that explained doxxing in a single sentence you still insist on using that term wrong.
I heard the creepshot subreddit just got moved to another shitty subreddit that does the same thing, where they do the same creepshots but veil it in some shitty "role playing" about how they are fashion advice and not creepshots.
I think that subreddit is still there. Disgusting.
TimeEffect
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This is such a mess. All it does is solidify the right even more. Maybe t_d will have to get shutdown in all this spotlighting at least
benicillin
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This is the perfect way to sum it up, considering that "doxing" as a concept is just short-hand for information gathering online and usually used in a negative context.
I'm not surprised at all. THIS IS REDDIT!
They did the worst doxxing ever as I know nothing about the guy aside from his dumb reddit handle and his open history of bigotry and bull shit.
theCalamity
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Dude did something newsworthy, even if he didn't intend for it (a lot don't), therefore his name should be released.
The difference between reporting and doxxing is malicious with the intent of starting a harassment campaign against someone who hasn't done anything inherently wrong or illegal and are typically not newsworthy. Their activities aren't usually in the public interest.
The difference between reporting and doxxing is malicious with the intent of starting a harassment campaign against someone who hasn't done anything inherently wrong or illegal and are typically not newsworthy. Their activities aren't usually in the public interest.
Everything anyone does that doesn't expressly paint shitlords as saints always "solidifies the right," because all they ever do is co-opt the language of the left in complete contextual vacuums to always position themselves as victims regardless of the situation at hand.
Fuck the right.
Seriously. Fuck them.
Stop caring what they think about anything.
Now we don't know the difference between doxxing and journalism.
Congrats, internet dickheads. You've won again.
Psychoward
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"The post or object that you were commenting has been removed by its owner and can no longer be commented on."
lol white liberals you continue to amaze me - a white liberal
Gets proven wrong about the reasons why this guy is worth releasing his info and not just a "mean gif"? delete facebook post
lol white liberals you continue to amaze me - a white liberal
Gets proven wrong about the reasons why this guy is worth releasing his info and not just a "mean gif"? delete facebook post
I farted, now the right are stronger than ever because they agree it stinks.
they said he was a man. THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH THAT NARROWS HIM DOWN
benicillin
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Censorship! Free speech!
Challenge him to a debate on Facebook Live and you'll donate the money to charity.
You can also call White Supermacists the Alt Right if you want to.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
And do you see the news organization saying they withhold the right to publish said personal information as a strong arm tactic?
CNN didn't need to publish the threat.
Tell me everything you know about HanAssholeSolo.
Psychoward
Banned
it literally started at free speech
his argument went from
free speech -> flexing on private citizens like trump flexes on reporters -> doxing is bad no matter who -> ok so it wasn't doxxing, it still makes cnn the fox news of the left -> he wasn't making any terror threats -> ok well his threats weren't specific enough for intervention -> /delete
Crossing Eden
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Anything to cast the white racist male as a victim. I actually wish CNN had outed him via interview just like that one news station that outed the guy who started the jailbait and watchchildrendie subReddit.
Psychoward
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Yeah, they could have just ruined his life right off the bat. Instead he nuked his account and got away scot-free. Thanks CNN.
I meant in the context of previous posts. Which i never claimed they doxed him, only that they had dubious reasons for not doxing him and reserving the right to do it in the future.
Reporting names that are part of a breaking story = reporting. They don't release more than is necessary for the story. In this case, the racist that the president retweeted is the story.
Finding names just because you don't like a person and exposing as much of their information as possible = doxxing
People that dox people are releasing addresses, employers, phone numbers etc. And they are doing that with the express purpose of having a mob go at the person.
First of all, if the person inserts themselves back into an on-going story in which they were previously relevant, a news outlet has right to publish their info (they had right to publish his info then.) It has literally always been like this. All CNN was break down this facet of journalism for people wondering why we don't know his identity.
Second, everyone still thinking this guy is a victim and CNN are threatening him can unkindly piss off with this narrative.
Psychoward
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dubious reasons like, advocating even more terrorism or harassing/targeting more CNN employees?
They could have released the info out right as a whole story and that would have been fully in their right as that's exactly what they do. They dig up info on a story, especially one targeting them specifically in a very negative light, and then give their audience said info.
The guy's meme became political propaganda for a President who loves propaganda so they looked into, found out who he was and then said they'd drop the whole story if he stopped posting about all the Jewish people that worked at CNN and other ugly shit. The guy chickened out and backed off and so did they. Would you preferred if they sued him for slander or something first to make it "official" or whatever?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
While people are worrying about this dude's names getting revealed there are people actively going around spreading the addresses, phone numbers, and even more personal information about the people who work at CNN. Suspiciously not seeing any outrage about that from the people worried about this dude getting his name released.��