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ComputerMKII
Banned
Do people really talk like this?
Why do they always say 720p native upscaled to 1080p instead of just native 720p? It just adds confusion for those not knowledgeable on these things.
That said, the rest of the interview is pretty great. Very detailed info on the challenges of working on Xbox One and launch games in general.
That said, the rest of the interview is pretty great. Very detailed info on the challenges of working on Xbox One and launch games in general.
I believe you answered your own question.
Because it is being upscaled? Silly question. It's not being displayed as native 720p. It's being displayed as 1080p. It's upscaled content.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Yep.
Seems to be a lot of backtracking and being very careful throughout this (which I suppose is to be expected), but the general suggestion seems to be that the XB1 theoretically has the system capabilities to match (or at least come close to) 1080p/60fps, but the OS for the machine has several features running in the background (I'm assumnig Kinect, Snap, etc) that have allocated memory that the devs can't get to whether they wan't to make use of these features or not.
Basically it seems IW is hoping that MS will cut back the memory allocated to these features at some point in the future, and allow devs access to more resources. Unfortunately, I can't see that happening for a little while, at least until MS has had more time to optimise these background features.
Basically it seems IW is hoping that MS will cut back the memory allocated to these features at some point in the future, and allow devs access to more resources. Unfortunately, I can't see that happening for a little while, at least until MS has had more time to optimise these background features.
Noticed that right off the bat. It's such a non-statement.
I would get some angry customers if I started talking like that at work. "Oh the pic I sent you is upscaled to 1080, don't mind the blurriness."
I am guilty of having done this many, many times. It's a consequence of 'seeing' what you want to say in your head, written, and then just regurgitating it.
OldAsUrSock
Banned
Framerate > resolution
When does it start?
Yeah, the basically said "MS's memory setup and allocation is a clusterfuck. We tried!". Sounds more like them trying to protect their sales than giving a shit about MS.
It's not good PR. They say that even with Microsoft's engineers helping them the whole way through they couldn't get to 1080 and it was a variety of factors that lead to the resolution being what it is. There's not a single factor, it's the system and OS as a whole that caused it. Obviously he phrases it in a way that makes it not sound as negative but that's what the article states.
uncharted86
Member
Framerate + Resolution > Framerate > Resolution.
the point being is it's the same thing we saw this gen on 360 (and often on PS3) and we never had to deal with the "it's native 720p upscaled to 1080p".
At this generation in consoles I'd hope EVERYTHING was outputted in 1080p. It should really go without saying. All I want to know is what's the game rendering at.
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I find it strange that CoD looks like ass and yet it can't run in 1080p 60fps on Xbone. Microsoft, you fucked up.
It really seems that the os over heads things like snap kinect etc is going to harm this console as the years go by. They are already dealing with a hardware gap then add on whats taken from devs to run the os stuff its going to be an up hill battle.
BruiserBear
Banned
Well, that's kind of another way of just saying it involves system resources.
Kinda hard to bullshit the hard facts.
BRocknRolla
Member
Interesting interview. They could certainly just be looking to save face by saying that this isn't a "launch game" issue, and that they created the "best" version for each console, but if that's the case, it will be interesting to see what they have to give up, or change to hit 1080p going forward. (Or if they even intend to) The relationship with MS must not be too close anymore if they're willing to lay their problems at the feet of the hardware.
Yes, and that is much, much better and different than outputting 720p and letting it being upscaled by my AVR (or my TV).
Hand in hand, as far as I'm concerned.
...but then PC gaming has ruined my abiilty to enjoy murky console res.
Well, that seems rather obvious, no? I think the point is that when you HAVE to do a trade-off frame rate should beat out resolution. I agree.
Sloane_Ranger
Member
IMO Rubin just walked a very dangerous PR tightrope and managed it with grace. He deserves kudos. His wording leaves plenty of room for hope, as well as an out for IW.
Frankly, it's likely a combination of all those things.
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Every 720p game on PS3, 360, and Wii U are upscaled but I've never seen it written like that until the Xbox One started having several games at 720p. It's not just DF that does it, it's in the press almost everywhere like that. It's frustrating since it prevents clear and easy comparisons.
It does sound worse, but it also sounds fixable.
Unfortunately, fixing it might mean instability with the likes of snap etc in the sort term.
Looks like MS will have to make a choice between their original vision and their "parity" PR.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I appreciate the straight forwadness from Rubin.
mangochutney
Member
Interesting interview - he is worried about how much RAM to allocate to things when they have 8GB to play with over the paltry amounts on current gen? Seems odd.
The frame rate difference must have been massive to drop so much, surely 900p if it was close but not quite 60.
Adds further credence to that guy who posted that they were only getting 15 fps when they first got it up and running.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81321425
The frame rate difference must have been massive to drop so much, surely 900p if it was close but not quite 60.
Adds further credence to that guy who posted that they were only getting 15 fps when they first got it up and running.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81321425
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Delicious.
NoirVisage
Banned
Word. And its becoming the company line.
Nova Prime
Member
Could watch this gif whole day.
I think it is, along with snap, kinect tracking, skype, etc. that's the problem, even if the dev doesn't need these things being used,said dev still can't access any of the resources allocated to running them.
And shit software by the sounds of it.
Foghorn Leghorn
Unconfirmed Member
That 10% percent reserved for kinect/snap etc. wouldn't do much anyway. The overall system is just weak.
I'm not saying its less powerful..
but its less powerful
Ha, best use of that meme yet. That's how the article read to me.
Yes, because consoles have reached their theoretical limits before they have even launched
They haven't of course as you know, but neither have the game graphical features, if both consoles continue to improve and developers add more and more effects, then we're likely still going to be sub-1080 on XB1, though the games will be prettier than this first round, they may not be higher resolution.
EDIT: Rubin did well in this interview, you can't polish a turd, but you don't have to point out it's a turd either. a well handled interview.