John Kowalski
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Rumor: Bravely Second's "Tomahawk" class changed to a cowboy one (+ costume edit)
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Oh yeah I can kind of see in the picture a distinct receiver and stock. That whole job concept is totally incoherent lol.
By the change. Should've made that more clear. And yeah, that Twitter page was the least surprising thing ever. Quite the martyr for the GG cause.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
No he does not
Making a quip = complaining now? Okay then! Or maybe I'm just pointing out a stupid and constant artistic trend in female representation. Nah, must be that I'm unfamiliar with stylization.
You got me, I started gaming yesterday, please explain it to me
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
That design is pretty damn nice, fits for a jRPG obviously. It doesn't matter that much to me at this point that they changed it, neither one really offends me. I would have preferred Tomahawk though.
sensui-tomo
Member
In love far enough to change your avatar? I'm surprised no one quoted you yet, or i missed it.
Ragnorok64
Member
What is the deal with people avatar quoting on this site?
Coffee Dog
Banned
People do it to undermine each other's posts because its funny.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I fucking love that design, but I'm just not that big of a fan of the series yet, I wish she was a main character and not just a boss...
No one has avatar quoted me today, at least yet!
Chandler X Bing
Member
I dunno, its kinda tacky for an entire race of people to be turned into a JRPG class.
I don't think I'd want to play a JRPG where there is a class called "mexican" or "african."
I don't think I'd want to play a JRPG where there is a class called "mexican" or "african."
MrCunningham
Member
Half of those are actually from the '80s. Before the ERSB went in place in 1994, Nintendo of America used to curate the censorship in all games released on their console, because they were selling them in large toy store outlets like Toys R' Us. Back then, there was no rating system like movies, there were no warning labels on the game boxes, so they forced developers to remove anything that could look remotely offensive. After the induction of the ERSB in 1994, Nintendo actually gave up a lot of censorship control and let the ERSB handle censorship for them. Mortal Kombat II was the first Nintendo game with a rating label on the box.
Before the ERSB, there was the Videogame Rating Council which was operated by Sega of America. Sega tried to push this as the standard across all gaming platforms, but Nintendo was one company that refused to use it. Though the ERSB happened because of all the controversy around Sega's publishing policies of leaving games uncensored.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
meltingparappa
Member
Came here to post this exact thing. This is not a cut character but an interchangeable class.
meltingparappa
Member
...the image implies that the Native American boss character will probably be changed to a cowboy as well, to fit the class/costumes she will provide upon defeat.
sensui-tomo
Member
But would you watch a mecha anime with a Mexican and African robot?
TEQUILA GUNDAM!!!
Because people like to criticize you if you like anime, especially if you have a picture of an animated kid or some design from a game. (magus gets picked because the best person isnt on here any more Holy Baikal, and usually because magus goes into the threads discussing certain topic matters which rustle some people's jimmies ) But generally its to downplay whatever someone says
ScriptedReality
Member
But would you watch a mecha anime with a Mexican and African robot?
wow..that gundam
sensui-tomo
Member
G gundam was... well different
Ragnorok64
Member
I feel like tall Native American fighting game characters are crying at this decision.
Ragnorok64
Member
I'm still mad about the Bravo Bikini. All things considered though, I tapped out of the first game at Chapter 6 when I looked at the map. If this game has a similar gimmick to the first I may not even be the hype for it to begin with.
kiunchbb
www.dictionary.com
Because oppressing other people's niche hobby made their look legit. They learned that from the high school football players.
It's even double-lame because the job name is "Tomahawk", which isn't even the name of a tribe or the name for a tribe's warriors (which would at least make it a "job"), but rather the name for a weapon, which the job class apparently doesn't even use(?).
At least go with "warrior" or "brave" or something. Or have in mind some actual prototype instead of just "Indians from Westerns as in Cowboys And"? Or just abandon the whole enterprise...
It'd be cool to come at it sidewise. Have like a "toy maker" job and take up a Hopi kachina doll aesthetic. Something less boring than warrior. Mix that shit up, you know? Like "pastry chef" is hardly an exclusively French thing but they went with a French aesthetic.
Hmmmm?
Dice//
Banned
had to
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Anyways, I have no strong feelings/attachments to the outfit so if it's changed I don't really care. I mean, if it's changed, it sucks, but I do think Native misrepresentation or under-representation is pretty brutal and worth being conscious about. I'm guessing doubling down on white-looking characters (none being dark-skinned themselves) wearing the outfits doesn't look too good. That said I do think a cowboy outfit can work; not like that Native design was very Native-y[?].
I also don't get why JRPGs really love the white-hair/dark skin design. It's really, really frequent. I mean, I guess it's for a pretty visual contrast, but...
Yeah, that was a really solid post that covered this very well; my feelings are about the same.
pancakesandsex
Member
It's a ranged or "missile" class, that uses ranged weapons and attacks named after various missiles (as well as some classic FF abilities like Barrage). Tomahawk happens to be a missile as well, so they went with a native american motif for the class. Wordplay is hard.
Ragnorok64
Member
Honestly I'd see it as offensive if they did go for an actual name of a tribe.
I'm just kidding around man.
Platinumstorm
Member
I think it's important we don't worry about "cultural appropriation" so much that we put culture completely in the past.
I grew up on a reservation. My Native friends hate the term Native American, and prefer the term Indian. They argue that I am a Native American just as much as they are. I don't like the term Indian, because I have Indian friends where I live now, making the terms very confusing; so I actually just like using Native.
My friends where I live now hate the term Indian. They really hate the term Indian taco. Whereas, back where I grew up, it would be heresy to call an Indian taco anything other than "Indian taco".
I have a t-shirt with an ink headdress on it. It's a shirt that reminds me of home. It's a shirt that reminds me of the culture of my home. Some of you here would call it cultural appropriation, but even though I'm not Native, it's part of my community and culture growing up. I associate the flag song just as closely as the national anthem with sporting events.
Hopefully my example can show where political correctness can go completely awry. If we worry about cultural appropriation too much, we risk sterilizing our world.
The name tomahawk for the class doesn't make a lot of sense. Plainsrunner would work fine.
I grew up on a reservation. My Native friends hate the term Native American, and prefer the term Indian. They argue that I am a Native American just as much as they are. I don't like the term Indian, because I have Indian friends where I live now, making the terms very confusing; so I actually just like using Native.
My friends where I live now hate the term Indian. They really hate the term Indian taco. Whereas, back where I grew up, it would be heresy to call an Indian taco anything other than "Indian taco".
I have a t-shirt with an ink headdress on it. It's a shirt that reminds me of home. It's a shirt that reminds me of the culture of my home. Some of you here would call it cultural appropriation, but even though I'm not Native, it's part of my community and culture growing up. I associate the flag song just as closely as the national anthem with sporting events.
Hopefully my example can show where political correctness can go completely awry. If we worry about cultural appropriation too much, we risk sterilizing our world.
The name tomahawk for the class doesn't make a lot of sense. Plainsrunner would work fine.
Ragnorok64
Member
It's literally impossible to tell in this thread.
theprodigy
Member
-=::[Eagle-Vision]::=-;186431720 said:
that's a nice shit post you have there
I don't think most people would have found it offensive in the original form (although it is fucking weird as shit that it's called Tomahawk since the character is wielding a crossbow) but this change actually does make it offensive since it would be like if you took a Jew costume and changed it to a Nazi costume for Europe or something.
But would you watch a mecha anime with a Mexican and African robot?
What a great period of gundam. This is so hilarious that I just can't.
I wonder how fucked up they were when they made this.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
lol @ the persecution complex. We playing the oppression Olympics now? Getting avatar-quoted = being stuffed in a locker, of course.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Never noticed that before
Some job skills: Hawkeye, Sidewinder, Maverick, Condor, Hawkeye
This job is OP
Yeah I just did and I misunderstood the concept behind it, I had completely missed the fact that it was in regards to a cultural minority, which the average white american certainly isn't.
I don't really know what I was thinking when I replied to your post, it makes 100% sense now.
Yeah it was dumb. I mean it's an American branch of a company mandating a change that they know could be offensive to a minority that can't really do much about it on their own. That's a positive
I don't blame them, there's a lot of sensitivity over "cultural appropriation" with these groups. I understand the feelings but ultimately, I think this sort of sensitivity will do more damage to the culture than anything. Cultural export is power no matter how it's used in the end.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
For better or worse it looks nice on paper, from an art point of view..........
I think any sort of change sucks. The game's vision should be left as-is for better or worse.
If the missile-themed-native class came with the game and there was MASSIVE PUBLIC OUTCRY then the creators would know "maybe not do that thing"
But to change it in advance just in case is real lame. I feel this way about everything. Maybe I even like the changes sometimes. But I'd rather see the game as-is over someone else coming in and messing with it.
/shrug. I don't plan on playing this game, but censorship in general is real
If the missile-themed-native class came with the game and there was MASSIVE PUBLIC OUTCRY then the creators would know "maybe not do that thing"
But to change it in advance just in case is real lame. I feel this way about everything. Maybe I even like the changes sometimes. But I'd rather see the game as-is over someone else coming in and messing with it.
/shrug. I don't plan on playing this game, but censorship in general is real
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
But G Gundam is ok, cause it's so dumb/poor in taste that it's great.But would you watch a mecha anime with a Mexican and African robot?
Who are "these groups"? Anyone who speaks up when they see an issue?
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