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[Abstrusity]

Fear the righteous man, and all that.

He knows he's going to lose and this is the embarrassingly desperate attempt to eke out further concessions.

The risk is there, so he's taking the bet that they'll capitulate a little more, it looks.

At least, that's what I hope it is. I voted for him in Florida, but will be voting for Hilldog in the general, of course. Like him or not, he did ignite a fire in our bellies and IS managing to get SOME concessions on the party platform.

Now all we need is for the DNC to grow a damned spine.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bernie a registered Independent when he was in the Senate and only caucused with the Dems? If so, how the fuck did he get so much power (and apparent arrogance)?

 

[Bronx-Man]

Yep, it'll ensure that the DNC never lets another democratic socialist like Sanders get a platform for a generation or two.

So much for a revolution.

FUCK. I voted for him because I thought he was the biggest champion the progressivist movement had. He was gonna be the one to convince Hillary & DNC to go further left! But now all of that could be thrown out of the window because he just can't take an L.

UGH.

 

[Tiops]

If he does it's because Hillary isn't inspiring people to vote for her, not because of Sanders.

I seriously believe all this shit can compromise her campaing. Of course part of it would be her fault, but it would be way better for the party if she were already campaigning for the GE and had official support from Obama and her party.

"Your country needs a revolution."


Fuck right off with that shit. Easy for you to say "let the streets burn in that other country that's not mine". I'm not even American, and your post angers me.

He already declared in this forum that he believes that USA needs to get in a big recession and turned into shit so it can magically get better later. It's awesome.

The Democratic Party isn't fighting itself. They let a supposed independent ally run and he is trying to start a violent revolution to placate his own ego. Spinning this as a problem with the party is exactly the kind of cover that has let this jackass get as far as he has.

I know, but Sanders is campaigning as a Democrat and, from what I can see, he's creating some problems for the party's GE campaign. He also has a lot of followers that probably won't vote for Hillary (or for some fucking absurd reason vote for Trump) on the GE and, apparently, he won't do anything to change that.

But I'm not american and I'm following the campaign here on Gaf, so I'm sorry if I say something stupid.

 

[Toxi]

At this point I really feel Barney Frank's 1991 assessment of Sanders was 100% correct.

"His holier-than-thou attitude - saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone - really undercuts his effectiveness"

"To him, anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreements with people. Bernie's view of the world is that the great majority of people agree with him on all the issues and the only reason he does not win is that the Congress is crooked"​

Fucking hell. Twenty-five years ago and it still holds true.

 

[Armaros]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bernie a registered Independent when he was in the Senate and only caucused with the Dems? If so, how the fuck did he get so much power (and apparent arrogance)?

He signed up to run to be the Democratic Candidate for the GE, that makes him for now a Democrat in name.

 

[eBay Huckster]

So am I, as a Canadian that gets paid in USD.

[thumbsup emoji goes here]

At least you're doing it right!

 

[jiggle]

Gnat

Never thought he'd turn out to be councilman Jamm to Hillary's Leslie

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I see this in a light some don't... This could be a tool in helping unify the party under sanders if done right.

"From my point of view the Jedi are evil."

Actually that whole scene describes Sanders' campaign so well right now.

 

[TwoDurans]

How long until enough is enough and he starts losing supporters over this nonsense?

 

[Blader]

Curious as to what his wealth has to do with UNC? Or wanting the US to progress forward on issues? Or forcing his platform on the DNC?

You'll have to ask him, it's his philosophy.

 

[HUELEN10]

"From my point of view the Jedi are evil."

Actually that whole scene describes Sanders' campaign so well right now.

Wow, I'm not even a Star Wars guy, but that is a beautiful way of saying it; to some of us, the stakes really are that high.

 

[B-Dubs]

Fucking hell. Twenty-five years ago and it still holds true.

Some people just don't change. They refuse to grow as people.

 

[Staccat0]

How long until enough is enough and he starts losing supporters over this nonsense?

He has. For sure. Me at least.

That said, most people have such a rancid case of confirmation bias and just look for excuses to prove they are right.

 

[Drek]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bernie a registered Independent when he was in the Senate and only caucused with the Dems? If so, how the fuck did he get so much power (and apparent arrogance)?

Populist fuckery and Clinton/dems not attacking his lack of information at all to protect party unity. Tell people what they want to hear and they'll fore sake reason for conviction to your cause.

He is riding the same wave that got Trump the republican nomination, just not as well and in a party that isn't as fractured. He's working hard on that last part though.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bernie a registered Independent when he was in the Senate and only caucused with the Dems? If so, how the fuck did he get so much power (and apparent arrogance)?

1. Yes he's an Indeendent

2) He has fuck all for power within the party, all he's doing is threatening to cause a shit storm at the convention because he has fanatical supporters.

You know, he's become this guy

 

[DR2K]

I really hope Hillary gets enough pledged delegates to cinch the nomination without supers at all.

 

[Permanently A]

Jeez. I was once quite sympathetic to Bernie running through to the convention. But this is just petulant and childish.

The convention is in part to unify the party and before it even starts, he's making public enemies.

Basically this. My respect for Sanders has tanked since start of the race.

 

[Meowster]

It's amazing how a year can change someone's opinion. I went from liking Bernie Sanders, to being indifferent, to now just wishing he would go away and stop.

At this point I really feel Barney Frank's 1991 assessment of Sanders was 100% correct.

"His holier-than-thou attitude - saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone - really undercuts his effectiveness"

"To him, anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreements with people. Bernie's view of the world is that the great majority of people agree with him on all the issues and the only reason he does not win is that the Congress is crooked"​

Looks like Sanders is proving Frank right with this.

 

[Jeffolation]

If Sanders recognizes how disastrous a Trump presidency would be, where the hell is he going with this? I really thought he would at some point start to draw down the rhetoric and vitriol he was launching against the DNC. He can't honestly think disrupting the convention will serve any productive purpose?

What's the bloody angle?

 

[Armaros]

Some people just don't change. They refuse to grow as people.

His lack of intellectual curiosity of things outside (and inside) his wheelhouse is also telling.

 

[Trojita]

If Sanders was in a closer race with Hillary and wasn't mathematically eliminated, I'd say this would be a fair request to make. Barney Frank chose to be publicly against Sanders and therefore shouldn't be in charge of the Platform and Rules of the convention. A neutral party would be recommended. Right now it doesn't even matter and Bernie is just being kind of a dick.

Would anyone actually disagree that in a close race this wouldn't be a reasonable request?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

If Sanders recognizes how disastrous a Trump presidency would be, where the hell is he going with this? I really thought he would at some point start to draw down the rhetoric and vitriol he was launching against the DNC. He can't honestly think disrupting the convention will serve any productive purpose?

What's the bloody angle?

He doesn't care about anything but Bernie.

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

Ugh this is starting to make me ashamed I ever voted for him.

 

[Somnid]

I'm really sick of appeals to proceduralism "because Trump." One of the worst things to happen this election is that Trump had the unhappy effect of making Democrats destroy themselves out of fear.

 

[Toxi]

Populist fuckery and Clinton/dems not attacking his lack of information at all to protect party unity. Tell people what they want to hear and they'll fore sake reason for conviction to your cause.

The Dems had no way of knowing that the Sanders campaign would go so bad.

 

[El Odio]

If Sanders recognizes how disastrous a Trump presidency would be, where the hell is he going with this? I really thought he would at some point start to draw down the rhetoric and vitriol he was launching against the DNC. He can't honestly think disrupting the convention will serve any productive purpose?

What's the bloody angle?

To me it's pretty clear his ego has pretty much completely taken over. That or he's really trying to incite his more fanatical anti-establishment supports to just go off the deep end.

 

[Godslay]

What is Barney Frank even up to these days?

 

[Toxi]

I'm really sick of appeals to proceduralism "because Trump." One of the worst things to happen this election is that Trump had the unhappy effect of making Democrats destroy themselves out of fear.

As opposed to what, ideological purity tests that exclude Barney fucking Frank? Yeah, that's totally not self-destructive.

 

[Jenov]

Why was Nevada the tipping point for you? Some of Bernie's supporters, and in the later phases the candidate himself, have been behaving badly though most of the campaign.

For the worst behavior I experienced myself, incredibly rude behavior like this: https://youtu.be/gmj695Vwlwk?t=2h49m16s towards Barney Frank at the Maine Democratic Convention this May was quite unpleasant to experience. I know things were even worse in Nevada than Maine, but that was just an extension on past behavior. I'm sure most will come around eventually and support Hillary, but the fit some are throwing now is unfortunate.

Wow. Props to Barney for handling that well. Sanders, stop being so fucking petty, wtf.

 

[B-Dubs]

If Sanders was in a closer race with Hillary and wasn't mathematically eliminated, I'd say this would be a fair request to make. Barney Frank chose to be publicly against Sanders and therefore shouldn't be in charge of the Platform and Rules of the convention. A neutral party would be recommended. Right now it doesn't even matter and Bernie is just being kind of a dick.

Would anyone actually disagree that in a close race this wouldn't be a reasonable request?

Yes! The winner gets to run the convention because they're the winner!

 

[rjinaz]

How long until enough is enough and he starts losing supporters over this nonsense?

Read through this thread. It's full of people like myself that regret having voted for Sanders.

 

[jack_package_200]

What is Barney Frank even up to these days?

Maybe this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act

 

[giga]

Shower thoughts: Is Bernie Sanders the physical incarnation of "both parties are the same?"

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Don't.

Let his campaign join socialism on the trash heap of history.

Um, I'm not. You seem to have purposefully missed my point in order to boss around a (ex)Sanders Supporter.

 

[Suikoguy]

Now all we need is for the DNC to grow a damned spine.

One step at a time, one step at a time.

I'd be all for getting rid of DWS after the discussion I had in the last thread. But not for anything that occurred this election, she has been fine in that regards.

His actions though are going to make it difficult to change the position though...
Why capitulate to threats?

 

[metalslimer]

I just....I don't see his end game anymore. He isn't accomplishing anything anymore besides pushers the democrats further away from his platform

 

[Godslay]

Maybe this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act

Oh I thought it was this:

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/06/17/barney-frank-yes-that-barney-frank-joins-a-bank-board/

 

[Hazmat]

It's amazing how a year can change someone's opinion. I went from liking Bernie Sanders, to being indifferent, to now just wishing he would go away and stop.

At this point I really feel Barney Frank's 1991 assessment of Sanders was 100% correct.

"His holier-than-thou attitude - saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone - really undercuts his effectiveness"

"To him, anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreements with people. Bernie's view of the world is that the great majority of people agree with him on all the issues and the only reason he does not win is that the Congress is crooked"​

Wow, I say goddamn.

 

[Drensch]

In threads when people say stuff like "I don't get why GAF hates Bernie Sanders" or "I don't get the GAF distaste of Bernie."

Now you know why. His campaign hasn't been about issues for a few months now. It's about his self aggrandizement. It's a bout his ego being puffed by college kids.

 

[Drek]

If Sanders recognizes how disastrous a Trump presidency would be, where the hell is he going with this? I really thought he would at some point start to draw down the rhetoric and vitriol he was launching against the DNC. He can't honestly think disrupting the convention will serve any productive purpose?

What's the bloody angle?

Insiders have long depicted sanders as someone who believes strong negative outcomes are good and lead to faster polar opposite change.

He's wrong, history has continually proven this wrong, but fringe revolutionary types always think the worl is just one more shitty step away from everyone waking up and realizing that the revolutionary was right all along.

In reality people just roll with the tide, but Sanders is the kind of person who says that we need to stop Trump while secretly hoping for him to win to feed the "revolution".

Never mind that in four years a Trump appointment on the SCOTUS with a GOP house and Senate could make that kind of revolution an actual crime.

 

[commedieu]

and everyone thought Trump was the Hillary plant.

GG BernieBroz

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

I'm just disappointed Bernie turned out to be another crotchety old self interested white dude

 

[eBay Huckster]

In threads when people say stuff like "I don't get why GAF hates Bernie Sanders" or "I don't get the GAF distaste of Bernie."

Now you know why. His campaign hasn't been about issues for a few months now. It's about his self aggrandizement. It's a bout his ego being puffed by college kids.

And at this point it's not even about "college kids who don't know any better"

It's about college kids who REFUSE to know any better.

 

[boiled goose]

It's amazing how a year can change someone's opinion. I went from liking Bernie Sanders, to being indifferent, to now just wishing he would go away and stop.

At this point I really feel Barney Frank's 1991 assessment of Sanders was 100% correct.

"His holier-than-thou attitude - saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone - really undercuts his effectiveness"

"To him, anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreements with people. Bernie's view of the world is that the great majority of people agree with him on all the issues and the only reason he does not win is that the Congress is crooked"​

I agree with Barnie s assessment of Bernie. Yet, i think someone in Congress that disagrees with Democrats taking money is a good thing.

 

[giga]

Oh I thought it was this:

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/06/17/barney-frank-yes-that-barney-frank-joins-a-bank-board/

Do you have a problem with this?

 

[Drek]

The Dems had no way of knowing that the Sanders campaign would go so bad.

Sure. I'm not blaming them, just stating how the ball got rolling.

 

[Blader]

If Sanders recognizes how disastrous a Trump presidency would be, where the hell is he going with this? I really thought he would at some point start to draw down the rhetoric and vitriol he was launching against the DNC. He can't honestly think disrupting the convention will serve any productive purpose?

What's the bloody angle?

His angle is, he wants to be the nominee and thinks he can swing that at the convention. Somehow.

 

[metalslimer]

Oh I thought it was this:

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/06/17/barney-frank-yes-that-barney-frank-joins-a-bank-board/

Who cares? Banks are not evil...

Basically your position is that no one of any moral fiber could work in industries that may be corrupt. Well that will certainly ensure that those industries don't fall victim to corruption!

 

[IceBringer]

Barney > Bernie.

His campaign continues to get more embarrassing.