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Sanders campaign requests removal of 2 DNC members, threatens to halt convention
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Man, some of ya'll got to chill. This topic is like the Two Minute Hate.
This doesn't change the outcome of the primary. Hillary Clinton is still going to be the nominee. Barnie Frank chose to attack Bernie with some very public and pointed criticism in this primary season. Now Bernie is in a position of some power over the DNC, so he's getting payback for that, and past slights. It's a bit petty but that's politics. The primary will be over in a few weeks and we can look ahead to the general election. No sense in getting raged now.
This doesn't change the outcome of the primary. Hillary Clinton is still going to be the nominee. Barnie Frank chose to attack Bernie with some very public and pointed criticism in this primary season. Now Bernie is in a position of some power over the DNC, so he's getting payback for that, and past slights. It's a bit petty but that's politics. The primary will be over in a few weeks and we can look ahead to the general election. No sense in getting raged now.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The party nominee used to be chosen solely by the party, now it's done via a primary election.
The reason a unified party matters, is both major US parties are coalition parties. Wherein other multi-party political systems, people would vote for whatever candidate they liked the most and let those parties form their own coalitions post election. In the US you are basically choosing between two directions, and oftentimes you won't agree 100% with either side.
Historically, having a violent protest-filled convention kills you in November because it scares the shit out of people.
JetBlackPanda
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I should know more about this but I'm running for president of the Unites States -Sanders
Even evil incarnate Cruzifer himself knew when to bow out
It divides the party. The more this gets dragged out the more Bernie supporters resent Hillary and refuse to vote for her in the general election.
It also fucks up Hillary because she could get a head start on fighting Trump instead of having to give attention to someone who already lost but refuses to get off the field.
So it's actually damaging the party.
If the DNC has any spine, they will tell the Sanders campaign to go fuck themselves.
sturgboski
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If the Zodiac Killer can bow out gracefully (well graceful enough, he did elbow his wife in the face), why can't Sanders?
JetBlackPanda
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Remember when #nevertrump was a thing and Romney was on stage pleading for people to vote for anyone else.
A few months later and Trump is locked and the Democrats loser is trying to halt the convention if his demands aren't met.
I said something similar in the thread where the DNC offered Bernie some appointments as a consolation. You cannot pacify this type of personality. I have seen it a MILLION FUCKING TIMES. You cannot compromise you cannot meet in the middle.
For these people that believe themselves the definition of pure while everyone else is evil, they consider any form of compromise or working together as just not good enough. They would rather torch shit than cooperate with anyone.
Pure poison. Its just that NOW Bernie Sanders is making it obvious to the people that didn't want to believe it.
I don't see many defending him but the extremists. Pretty much all posters are calling this what it is, even if they like his policy. Hes going to lose every level headed person with this nonsense, and only the people that are Trump voters or on the "Fuck Hillary by any means necessary" will defend him here.
It's been so fucking telegraphed that he doesn't care about anything but himself. Now he proves it.
The crazy thing is people have been pointing out how accurate those 2 decade old quotes about Bernie were for months. But it kept getting buried as salty smears by Hillbots. Barney Frank absolutely NAILED Bernies personality in those quotes, and that's why 20 damn years later Sanders is trying to use possible rioting as a tool to remove him.
Fucking unreal.
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face after vastly outperforming your original goals (which were to talk about the issues important to you for a few months before the money ran out). If he would have bowed out gracefully after NY and endorsed Hillary, his run's legacy would have been pretty impressive (showing a modern campaign can be run without a Super PAC, getting Hillary & the public talking about more progressive issues) and he'd have had more opportunity in the Senate, but now it's likely going to sour both of those things and make it harder to unite the party. Even worse (and unlikely), we could end up a left-wing version of the Tea Party and/or a Trump presidency.
This is coming from someone who was definitely voting for him in CA up until a few months ago.
This is coming from someone who was definitely voting for him in CA up until a few months ago.
echoshifting
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I really hope they do. There is no concession they can possibly give, short of handing Bernie the nomination on a silver platter, that will prevent his supporters from causing chaos at the convention.
balladofwindfishes
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Guys, maybe we dodged a bullet here by not nominating him to be the candidate...
This man isn't fit to be president. He got his feelings hurt by Barnie Frank and he's putting that personal agenda in front of the well being of the country
Such a fine man of integrity.
This man isn't fit to be president. He got his feelings hurt by Barnie Frank and he's putting that personal agenda in front of the well being of the country
Such a fine man of integrity.
If it was a close race, and his verbiage was completely changed sure.
Even if it was close I wouldnt approve of following the NV incident with a:
"Nice convention you got there, would be a SHAME if something happened to it.
That's just not okay. Not on the liberal side of this country anyway. Its ridiculous. But if the race was neck and neck and he could manage to not sound like a sheisty mob boss, I would be fine with the request.
eBay Huckster
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BotoxAgent
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I hope this craters his poll numbers. Between this, Univision, and getting played for a debate chump......he's looking like a mighty self righteous fool right now.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Oh it's apparent we did. But we still have to fight off an actual White Nationalist who will say anything to win this November.
rokkerkory
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Ok bernie wth u doing
How can you show asset sizes of US banks as a regulatory failure and then point to Canada as the proper example when their financial system is far, far more concentrated?
sturgboski
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That was the last time I thought the country had a chance of a bright future. Ah the memories.
minor effort
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This primary I've gone from initially enthusiastically supporting Bernie, to becoming somewhat dismayed with his strategy while simultaneously warming to Clinton, to actively disliking him and hoping he fades into complete obscurity.
I'm a California voter, so even though we're a late state in the primary process I did get the benefit of seeing what both campaigns are truly made of before casting my ballot in June. Suffice to say it won't be for Bernie Sanders.
I'm a California voter, so even though we're a late state in the primary process I did get the benefit of seeing what both campaigns are truly made of before casting my ballot in June. Suffice to say it won't be for Bernie Sanders.
Bernie has the power to give the GOP the presidency this year, if he's willing to burn it all down. And the DNC aren't likely to be able to unseat him in a primary challenge. The DNC will end up making at least some concessions to Sanders. It's just a matter of which ones.
If Bernie thought it were so important to have 'neutral' members, his own selections wouldn't include people who've been attacking Hillary. This is just more of his constant hypocrisy, something is wrong unless he does it.
So Bernie in the end isn't a progressive then, and is self serving.
Canda's system is far more stable than ours due to the concentration.
Our system is built on banks dying and being mulched into other banks ad nauseum. This happens in large part because the banks are small and regional, and thus prone to huge issues if their local market crashes. But because the big ones over there in Canada are in so many cookie jars, that chronic instability due to the housing market doesn't exist.
jack_package_200
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These last few weeks have confirmed this.
soul creator
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So, Bernie is using whatever leverage he has to try and extract concessions beneficial to his campaign, which he feels is the best vehicle to get the issues he cares about addressed (obviously, he thinks he can do a better job on those issues than Hillary, or else he wouldn't have ran against her in the first place)
But wait, I thought Bernie was a naive idealist who, unlike Hillary, is unable to get his hands dirty and play politics and do what it takes to win? Hmm.
But wait, I thought Bernie was a naive idealist who, unlike Hillary, is unable to get his hands dirty and play politics and do what it takes to win? Hmm.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
The concentration of elbows?
eBay Huckster
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Of course, this also contributes to the fact that their housing market just keeps getting more and more ridiculous.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
So he should actually be happy US banks are growing in size then.
Would be a more legit argument if the race wasn't already over. He can't win, he can just make Hillary lose.
BearFlexington
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All I see is a man trying to help his odds going into the convention. This is a dog fight, as it should be.
Depends on why they're getting bigger.
hydragonwarrior
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I think Bernie's campaign managers have gotten to him. Ughhh
Fear is the simplest answer. Some people are (somewhat rightfully) scared shitless about a Trump presidency (note that many grossly overestimate what he could even accomplish if his own party hates him but he does have some power in which to fuck things up). This causes them to feel uneasy and is common in such scenarios people adopt "with us or against us" types of mentalities. This is why most posts go into perceived character flaws "angry" "petulant" etc which are irrelevant to the political discussion but do matter when it comes to deviating from the procedural norm of the party which introduces some amount of uncertainty.
As far as the convention goes, it's not super important. Unless some major scandal happens Bernie isn't getting the nomination so he's entirely irrelevant from presidential campaign perspective, he literally cannot do anything to make Hillary win or lose. Bernie's supporters have free-will and will vote as they please, either for Hillary or not. So it really doesn't matter what his demands are, they can give it to him or not.
From Bernie's side he likely wants to convert his campaign into more influence in the party. That might irritate those that don't like his ideals. But whether they disagree on how to actually split up banks most probably do see it as something that should be done. Getting bogged down in the details of such are how both candidates have separated themselves over the past months so people still think it's important.
LUFTRAUSER
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The old king's advisers defense, eh? Nobody has "gotten to" Bernie. This is just how he is.
It was never them. It was always him.
If you mean he is trying to get superdelegates... This is probably really not the best way.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
There is no fight. He'd have better odds if he went into the supermarket and bought a lotto ticket.
Those Barney Frank comments from 25 years ago really are something.
eBay Huckster
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No, he's always been like this and probably still hasn't forgiven Frank accurately talking shit about him in 91.
He's Left Trump.
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