But they are already sitting nicely on top. Why compete?
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Sony FY2015 Q1 (PS4: 3.0m shipped) PS4 total = 25.3m shipped worldwide
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But they are already sitting nicely on top. Why compete?
That's interesting, didn't realize that.
IAmRandom31
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2016 will see The Last Guardian, Uncharted 4, Street Fighter 5, Final Fantasy XV, Ratchet and Clank, Horizon: Zero Dawn, and a number of other big titles too. So yeah PS4 sales will only increase next year.
If Sony does score a special Battlefront bundle for Black Friday and beyond lord knows how much that will sale. Along with the other big one the MGSV bundle, it could be a crazy rest of the year.
If Sony does score a special Battlefront bundle for Black Friday and beyond lord knows how much that will sale. Along with the other big one the MGSV bundle, it could be a crazy rest of the year.
Aces&Eights
Member
This holiday is going to be gangbusters. Fallout 4, Battlefront, CoD, and then right after the dust settles, Uncharted 4. Great time to be a gamer.
It's an ecosystem though, the price of entry isn't the only money Sony receive. They get a cut of every ps4 game sold as well as all the subscriptions and licensed accessories. Games are a large part of a platform holders profits.
LMAOO I meant 2016 my bad
Tell that to the PS2.
To increase their marketshare? Software licensing fees & first party sales are still by far the biggest money makers in the console business.
Hardware profits are peanuts compared to the profits Sony will make from licensing fees coming from Call of Duty & Battlefront.
Sony is definitely dropping the price this holiday. Kaz has already said he's going to rigorously push for a larger install base. It'd be silly not to with Microsoft almost definitely dropping down to $299 this holiday. Sony's not going to want to lose the US market. At $350 they'll make less money on the actual hardware but can make up for it with PS+, software sales, and accessories. Plus a larger install base gives them more customers to sell Morpheus to.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Lol funny because even in Thai thread I've seen a couple of posts like that. We're coming up to 2 years into the cycle,3 if you include Wii U and the PS4 hasn't had a price cut yet.
I don't think Microsoft can expect any significant growth until they introduce a new slim model. Could give them a second wind because all of the rapid price drops they've been doing haven't done the job it would seem.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Exactly, not to mention selling more PS+, accessories etc. and setting a bigger stage for Morpheus.
biglittleps
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Even if they did and It will be limited still just like GTA V last year.
If that's the case, then a holiday price drop with bundled third party games should be a sure thing.
MakeMeFeelAlive
Member
That is impressive. Selling so many units while missing "traditional" playstation titles. Imagine what it will do with FF, uncharted and sf5 release. Yes, i know ff isnt exclusive but im sure its release will mive units for sony. Impressive feat.
At least globally, FF15 will motivate people who haven't bought a new-gen system yet to buy at least one of them... and if FF history is anything to go by, it'll skew HEAVILY towards PS4.
This really is insane that it's doing this well and their biggest games haven't even come out yet.
Despite the PS4 doing surprisingly well, I still expect a price drop to $299 either in September or October. I still think most bundles will be $349, though, while the 500GB standalone will be $299. A 1TB Star Wars Battlefront bundle would do amazing numbers, just based on the hype for Episode VII alone.
Eh I would hope they have a special Battlefront PS4 bundle. It would honestly sell like hotcakes. Sony needs to have both a COD bundle and a Battlefront bundle.
You do know that Sony as a company while is not generating huge profits. There gonna milk that PS4 price as much as it can. At this point, Sony doesn't care if they came in 2nd this gen (highly unlikely) all they care about is profits.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed. Disney will have tons of ads and commercials with Sony cross marketing the game and movie. Guaranteed to see an add with the PS4 ding at the end during the trailers at the theater for Episode VII.
Wouldn't be surprised if there was a free movie ticket bonus for purchasing Battlefront on the PS4.
Both FFXV and MGSV will heavily favor the PS4 in sales.
Also expecting FFXV to have a significant impact for the console in Japan, especially since DQXI is also supposed to be hitting next year.
I think Microsoft's quarterly price drops are a big mistake, consumers aren't seeing an instant large price drop, they're seeing gradual price drops every few months, a price drop this holiday for XB1 would be far less effective than it would have been if the console didn't already get a small price drop earlier this year.
LOL, free movie ticket would be amazing. Anyway, let's not forget Sony also has AC Syndicate and COD BO3 marketing and Uncharted: Nathan Drake Collection for this holiday season. If they were smart, they would have numerous bundles. I mean, something like a 1TB Star Wars Battlefront & COD BO3 bundle for $399 would do incredibly well.
eerik9000
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Agreed. I've said it before, PS4 needs a price cut not to compete with Xbox One, but to give Morpheus better chance to be successful.
LOL, is this a joke post? 200 million is impossible. Even my prediction of 120 million before being discontinued is considered optimistic by some.
ShinMaruku
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Most smart phones witha good camera are all using Sony devices. This is one of their best things they landed.
Nightengale
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Too many bundles would be a burden on stores.
I'd say 2 strong all-holiday bundles (rational choices being CoD and Battlefront), and 1 special Black Friday Bundle.
Yeah & to think PS4 has already outsold Dreamcast , Gamecube & Xbox without a true system seller. It will also be above Nintendo 64 before Uncharted is released that's amazing to me.
makingmusic476
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A cut to $299 in autumn makes a lot of sense to me. There's precedent for Sony to do this given how they've handled price drops for previous consoles, and, more importantly, the Assassin's Creed bundle allowed Microsoft to eat significantly into Sony's market share last November and December. Sony won't want that to happen again, and Microsoft will likely be even more aggressive this holiday.
& they'll make significantly higher profits from a huge marketshare.
I don't think you understand how the console business works (especially looking at the bolded comment), the vast vast majority of profits come from software licensing fees & first party software sales. Accessories & subscriptions also make a significant amount of profit. Hardware profits are nothing.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Call Disney/Sony. This is a spectacular marketing punch.
Yeah, I forgot to take this into consideration. Still, I reckon a Star Wars Battlefront bundle would do really well on its own.
IAmRandom31
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Yeah COD and Battlefront bundles over the holidays is all that is needed. MGSV bundle leading up to those. Should be all good
Neuromancer
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Do investors really care about the Xbox division, one way or another?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I'm gonna be "that nerd" and purchase Battlefront at Hollywood Studios gift shop exiting Star Tours here in Florida, lol.
Just like I said I would purchase Kingdom Hearts 3 at one of the Magic Kingdom Main St shops.
Don't ask, just feels right making purchasing decisions more fun.
I doubt they do something like that but if they managed that it would be a huge marketing opportunity.
Yes, both U4 and SFV are [for now] officially targeted for Q1 2016. That should be a wild quarter because then we will also get Mirrors Edge Catalyst and The Division.
Yes. That is Q1 for Sony's financial year. Financial Q1 for MS is July-Sept.
mejin
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$299 won't be enough.
So rooting and wishing for this right here. I'm commenting on your spoiler tag. lol
Insane PS4 numbers.
SolidSnakex
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It looks like Amazon replaced the TLoU bundle with the Batman bundle. They no longer have TLoU bundles in stock.
joecanada
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well to be fair I said all along it wouldn't keep up with Wii which was insane numbers... more like ps2 numbers although they need a bit of a boost to not cross streams with ps2 as well.... I wouldn't say its flattening out but its not on pace to be the best selling console ever, so I guess theres always room for improvement.
price cut will be 50 dollars maybe by xmas ... my prediction... why wreck some good profits with a 100 dollar price cut? makes no sense.
Begaria
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Mmm, I don't know, might be too quick. They were at the "promotional" price of $349 for 8ish months before officially making it that price last month. To then drop it down to $299, even as a (heh) "promotion" for this holiday, especially when they have Halo 5 coming out, might be too big of a hit to the division's bottom line within a year.
Stone Ocean
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Dropping the price again hard in the same year would be financial suicide. They're better off adding more value to bundles instead of straight up dropping the price.
While short term it may be good for MS and certainly great for the consumer. I think this is terrible decision for them to make.
They'll most likely be eating losses for the entire gen if they do this. and who's to say people won't just wait around for the next price drop next year if they do this.
Nah MS will stick with Halo and make attractive deals around that.