tmlDan
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Forcing? where do you get that they are being forced to so it. They want to have a game with online elements, that's it.
It's not some conspiracy.
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Sony Reveals Categories/Focus for First Party Studios
- Thread starter Topher
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It's not some conspiracy.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
What if I told you Live Service games sell hardware exponentially better than single player games? The social effect is demonstrably greater than the pull graphical showcases generate in modern times.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
new single player ips with amazing garphics
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Then it's a good thing those live service games are also coming out on PS5. I guess I should have asked what you think could go wrong?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Umm who said anything about gameplay not being a focus?
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
I think it's worth pointing out that "single-player" and "narrative" driven are separated by a comma - meaning one, the other, or both. The next Astrobot game is in the same category, and I don't anticipate that having a strong narrative focus. In fact, I imagine that game will focus primarily on gameplay, just like Housemarque games are.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Narrative focus and gameplay first aren't contradictory. Returnal has an awesome narrative
THE DUCK
Banned
Halo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Destiny
nial
Gold Member
Don't you guys ever get tired of posting such dumb shit?
Oddvintagechap
Member
for what reason? they were bought as a remake studio. Nixxes too then? Valkyrie too?
yurinka
Member
Absolutely nothing there says they were going to lead a AAA title. They said they were going to move on from remasters and remakes and work on original content instead. But they never said they were going to lead these games.
They were a support team, the slide says they are a support team and they have a team that can work as support team but doesn't have the roles needed to lead a AAA game.
Unlike Bluepoint, Housemarque had a team to lead their own new games. Housemaque's design team isn't 1 single game designer, 1 single combat designer and only 2 level designers (and as I remember at least one of these designers was hired after GoWR).
Housemarque's team was used to create their own games, had all the roles needed and were used to work together. Bluepoint instead basically only had programmers and artists to get games made/designed by someone else and make them prettier.
Many years ago (the key people from Bluepopint comes from places like Retro or Blizzard) they worked in original games most of them as coders or artists. But can't build their own AAA game without a proper design team.
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yurinka
Member
They were working at the same time in 2 SP games, TLOU Online, while overviewing or supporting remasters/remakes, PC ports, movie/tv show adaptions and theme park rides.
So no, they weren't working in a 4th main game. I don't remember where but I think was Druckmann who further explained on the cancellation saying that if they would have continue working on TLOU Online it would have required extra resources that would mean to not be able to work on their SP games as they wanted. So they had to decide between TLOU Online or their SP games and decided to cancel TLOU Online and focus only on their SP games.
Puscifer
Member
Yeah, that was integrated into the environment largely and didn't put artificial stops in the way.
That's all on you, but I'm having a hard time with any of these ridiculous narrative movie games anymore. They're flat out uninteresting and boring!
Ronin_7
Member
They're doing an AAA horror game and apparently dropped the whole GaaS Teams.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Multi-genre means literally that ... multiple genres.This was the most important thing I saw during the presentation today. I clear, concise layout of where the focus of each PlayStation studio.
Love seeing the "Single-Player, Narrative Focus" here. I don't know this, but I believe that after the failure with Naughty Dog's Factions, it became clear that Sony's single player studios need to focus on making single player games.
Think it is interesting that Guerrila and Bend Studio are in the "Evolving/Multi-genre" section. Any guesses to what "Evolving/Multi-genre" means?
e.g., GG would be working on Horizon 3 (a single-player story-driven adventure game) as well as a Horizon co-op multiplayer (which would be a live-service game).
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
I don't usually like saying this, but you have no idea what you're talking about. The only evidence we have for what they're doing comes from the interview Gene Park did With Hermen and Marco when the acquisition was announced. Having said that, this back and forth isn't going to get us anywhere. So let's just leave it there.
RCU005
Member
No. It clearly says "Evolving / Multi-Genre"
Unclear what that really means, but it's not inside the Live Service category.
vaibhavpisal
Member
When Sony does inorganic growth, it automatically becomes blue in colour. Now I see why they don’t like it
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It DOES NOT mean that. It means they clearly can make both type of games. One game could be SP and the other GaaS. Or one game has a bit of both (ie GTA 5)
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
midnightAI
Member
And in Bends case it could be because they are also used as a support studio so it may be nothing to do with Love Service for them (but they may be working on that also). For Guerrilla we already know they are working on a multiplayer game due to peaked footage.
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nial
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Topher
Gold Member
Single player and multiplayer as "genres" is interesting, but I guess that works. Guess it could also possibly involve VR.
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Heaven Angel
Member
Bungie could've been used for multi-genre instead of only gaas, they'd have given an amazing shooter Single Player game as well as Multiplayer. Just like Killzone.
Guerrilla and Bend Studios are best for Single Player narrative focused games.
With multi and gaas included we'll have far more online games than we want.
Guerrilla and Bend Studios are best for Single Player narrative focused games.
With multi and gaas included we'll have far more online games than we want.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
We can add them to the list with Arkane and Rocksteady.
midnightAI
Member
I think really you shouldnt read too much into it as it will be constantly changing anyway going forward. I'm sure Sony would like most studios to be multi genre (by their categorisation) eventually.
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nial
Gold Member
Why? Bend Studio is surely a weird case, but Guerrilla is also making a SP Horizon 3. There's a reason as to why they're not straight into the Live Service category.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
How do you know Guerilla are making Horizon 3?
nial
Gold Member
I mean, it's quite obvious due to HFW being a big seller and Guerrilla being on the "we do both" category.
Also
Guerrilla is planning a Horizon Zero Dawn trilogy | VGC
Plans for next-gen sequel indicate ‘gigantic’ scope and co-op mode…
www.videogameschronicle.com
Games of Today
Member
Oh yea dude GoT is an incredible game. It's the perfect amount of gameplay, story and graphics. Days Gone is incredible too. I still feel like they may have a sequel up their sleeve somehow. But I wouldn't doubt if they make some sort of co-op style shooter too, what ever they make I think it'll take advantage of that horde technology they used for Days Gone, but maybe with hundreds of Allies on your side? That would be crazy.
I think a Horizon MMO style/ 4 player co-op game could be really sick. But I feel like that will only be the case if it looks close to Zero Dawn/Forbidden West graphically. Just let me make a character and design their outfits like Red Dead Online.
GymWolf
Member
I'm not happy about dividing a team to make multiple games but at least guerrilla is still making horizon 3 that is fully single player, so there is still hope even if gaf has a gastric reflux about the last game
People told me that bend bleeded talent since days gone, plus the gaas shit so they are in an even worse situation.
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King Dazzar
Member
I'd love to convince myself of that. And I hope you're right. But when I see GT7 makers in the same group. I just think of mixed genres within the same title. i.e could be single player GAAS, and/or with multiplayer elements.
King Dazzar
Member
Yeah but we dont know that it isn't single player GAAS. It could be something transitioning towards the likes of AC Valhalla. Fingers crossed it's asI'm not happy about dividing a team to make multiple games but at least guerrilla is still making horizon 3 that is fully single player, so there is still hope even if gaf has a gastric reflux about the last game
People told me that bend bleeded talent since days gone, plus the gaas shit so they are in an even worse situation.
Heisenberg007
is calling it.
GymWolf
Member
They are already making horizon gaas multyplayerYeah but we dont know that it isn't single player GAAS. It could be something transitioning towards the likes of AC Valhalla. Fingers crossed it's as
King Dazzar
Member
Well, if that's confirmed, then weirdly that's good news that its separated out. So thanks, I think lolThey are already making horizon gaas multyplayer
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Live Service leads in revenue, playtime, social media prevalence, popularity etc...but single player games are more the "system sellers"?
Press F to doubt my friend. Press F to doubt.
midnightAI
Member
Jan Bart van Beek...Yeah but we dont know that it isn't single player GAAS. It could be something transitioning towards the likes of AC Valhalla. Fingers crossed it's as
King Dazzar
Member
I was just thinking how off its tits it would be. If Bend finally someday announced Days Gone 2, with cheers everywhere. And then they tell us its GaaS and everyone Boos. So some stuff to be depressed about in there.
On the flip side though. It could all be far worse, at least we've actually got studios staying single player focused. I mean they could all be going GaaS. So that's something.
On the flip side though. It could all be far worse, at least we've actually got studios staying single player focused. I mean they could all be going GaaS. So that's something.
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rhodesianshepard
Banned
Bend are in the multi-genre category, which means it is probably a single player game with MP elements. It's most likely a co-op mode. Somebody else in this forum posted about how Days Gone was supposed to have an additional MP mode but it was canned. Much more hyped knowing it is most likely not a typical gaas game
Project 2501
Member
I'm assuming Guerilla Games is classified where it is because of Killzone.
Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
Days Gone was a commercial success that has only been discontinued due to media trolls that bombed it. It's infuriating that Sony pays more attention to these assholes than their actual core audience. I can't wait for the studio to go from bend to break.
By the way, XDEV doesn't exist in the head of the guy who made this chart. I could have sworn they have just helped in the best action game of this year.
Ghost of Tsushima has exactly what you say (co-op mode) and yet Sucker Punch is in the "single player" category.
I guess Bend is truly on a MP focused title unfortunately.