Way I see it, Lucina sounds like a Marth with improved power distribution and a character design that's actually appealing to me. I'll take it!
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!
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Small changes can have huge ramifications. Fox and Falco in Melee are the quintessential clones.
NeonZ
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It's explained right there. She doesn't have something similar to Marth's sweetspot. Her damage is always the same, so she's easier to use for people who can't get used to the sweetspot mechanics.
And, yes, unless the reduced landing lag is something exclusive to Lucina, and not a general engine change, that likely means she's going to be inferior to Marth competitively.
The Great Gonzales
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Implying Sakurai actually reads Miiverse comments.
Yeah, but I'm kind of assuming Japanese Miiverse isn't some shining beacon of hope for human discourse, either
I'd say that Sakurai could have Kamiya help him understand English Miiverse, but as we all know Kamiya is just a Sakurai alt, both being Japanese and all
Every newcomer revealed to date is incredibly unique and creative with the exception of Lucina. It's okay for there to be one or two clones per dozen imaginative newcomers.
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Majukun
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the italian word is much more similiar (falce),but i wasn't able to make the connection either
I'm hoping for more clones. Clones rule.
We could have a roster that shames Marvel vs Capcom 2.
MagiusNecros
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Promoted Class costumes would be beast. And get rid of those nasty ass boots.
NeonZ
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Ike's Lord outfit didn't even get a color referencing it back in Brawl, I'll be surprised if we actually get promoted outfits here.
Beelzebufo
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Yeah, it sounds like Lucina is more or less and exact clone, at least going off of the "her physical abilities are exactly the same". The only actual difference he states is her sword. That and she's shorter, but not necessarily faster or anything. Wouldn't that make her better than Marth competitively though, not worse? You don't even have to bother to sweet spot.
Do we really need a Robin clone?
InvincibleAgent
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Today's PotD explicitly states that the lack of tip is the only difference in mechanics.
I think melee soured people on clones because they were a good chunk of the game's roster. Also ganondorf was really bad. Brawl declonified clones to make them substantially different, though still similar. I think now that we have *SO MANY* unique characters, adding clones is just nice roster padding and lets you choose which of the 2+ variations of a moveset you like better.
MagiusNecros
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Why not have a Robin and Falcon clone merged into one for best character ever.
Lucina's Great Lord outfit would be another idea. If I recall correctly, it was silver or white armor that covered everything but her face.
C.Olimar788
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I really hope Lucina has more differences than just the removal of a sweetspot - although I suppose it's no skin off my back if they make some easy-to-do clone characters, haha. If the final version has a handful of them I wouldn't be surprised if the team hit a similar snag that they did in Melee - either make one brand new character or six clones, and they opted to pad out the roster so that players had more to unlock. And I can respect that.
I'm kinda hoping that Impa makes it in as a Sheik clone, not gonna lie. They could even give Impa Sheik's old chain move.
I'm kinda hoping that Impa makes it in as a Sheik clone, not gonna lie. They could even give Impa Sheik's old chain move.
Didn't yesterday's trailer already show of Lucina using a different up-air than Marth's?
Looks like he has more combo potential than usual. His moveset is nearly identical, though.
I personally took "physical ablilites are identical" as "she performs attacks that look identical to Marth's," essentially defining what Melee style clones were.
I guess I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because they seem to love the slow trickle of information when detailing the intricacies of the characters. It was months before we knew about the changes to Dedede's Waddle Dee toss and Zelda's new Down special. Plus no clone in the series has had that few changes to them, and I don't see any reason to assume that's starting now just because Lucina looks a bit unfinished in the trailer.
The only thing it explicitly states is that her sword has no sweet spot and that she's a little shorter. Everything else is just speculation.
The picture Jaeger posted was her Great Lord regalia.
Oh god imagine a magical kung fu guy.
I don't think Sakurai would go in depth over all the tweaks with one PotD. That's probably just the biggest/main difference.
Beelzebufo
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Yo, that'd actually be sweet. Take all of the best moves from Brawl Ganondorf, stick in a few Robin moves, and there you go. You'd have to make Robin a lot taller though.
InvincibleAgent
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Fox and Falco in Melee have literally dozens of variables changed between them. Running speed, blaster speed, blaster stopping power, jump height, up-B distance, side-B distance, power differences in basic attacks, etc. Marth and Lucina have exactly ONE fighting mechanic variable difference, according to Sakurai.
I'm going to guess that because she doesn't have to sweet spot she won't be as good as a marth player who knows how to sweet spot.
Making up some numbers here for neutral A:
Marth:
Base 10%
Tip 18%
Lucina:
Anywhere: 14%
A marth player who can consistently hit w/ the tip will outshine a lucina player. I think lucina is designed to be better for beginners.
That we know of. I'm sure he was just simplifying for a miiverse post. I bet the variable differences will be similar to fox/falco from melee. There's no way the only difference is sword tip bonus damage on marth.
ShockingAlberto
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Because you can modify moves but not properties and, as far as we know, not any normal attacks.
I don't know what there is a need to "justify" characters, anyway. People wanted Lucina in, she's in, hooray.
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Sakurai seems to have a large team this time around, I could see them finishing up all the planned characters on schedule and having some extra space left to add some low-effort clones to fill things out.
Thus Lucina and Dark Pit. I'm starting to think that might be all there is in terms of low-effort clones though, I can't think of any other similar characters who are recent enough to include without feeling better off as their own character.
EDIT: Oh yeah, will Lucina have her own customizable moves? I could see her perhaps not.
Thus Lucina and Dark Pit. I'm starting to think that might be all there is in terms of low-effort clones though, I can't think of any other similar characters who are recent enough to include without feeling better off as their own character.
EDIT: Oh yeah, will Lucina have her own customizable moves? I could see her perhaps not.
kuroneko0509
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Good idea for alt costume.
Beelzebufo
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Ah, that makes sense. I guess it does say "concentrated" vs "spread out", so it's not like she's always doing tip damage.
So if Marth's going to be bad, I guess Lucina's gonna be awful, huh? Maybe her size difference will really help. I wonder if she'll have different custom moves, or if they'll be identical to Marth as well?
You can't modify Marth to be shorter and do spread out sword damage.
You can modify the types of attacks Marth can do, but you can't modify his hitbox and sword damage sweet-spot. These are the two areas where Lucina is different than Marth. So even though you're giving them different moves, the ways they actually deal and take damage are different no matter what.
I think she will. Whether they're unique custom moves or just the same as Marth's is the bigger question personally.
ShockingAlberto
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I'm betting she at least gets Aether as a customizable Up-B.
Hey guys, it seems like we missed a big detail on the PoTD
What are your talking about that's just Luc-
Dear god.
As far as I'm concerned the leak opened up some very big floodgates.
Snake vs a giant rob!
I remember when the Metal Gears were shown for Shadow Moses Island and Sakurai teased "a newer kind of Metal Gear" alongside REX and RAY. It ended up being GEKKOs, who weren't shown due to not being revealed yet, but I remember reading speculation of a Metal Gear ROB back before we knew one was playable. Granted, this is back when I just had a GameFAQs account, but the idea of a Metal Gear ROB was cool to me regardless.
kuroneko0509
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Hey guys, it seems like we missed a big detail on the PoTD
huh edited version?
Look at the pic again
Yes, you can take it to mean that as well. However I think it's a little worrying that when talking about exceptions to her "physical abilities" being identical, he mentioned a tiny irrelevant detail like being slightly shorter rather than any sort of mention of moveset differences.
She really should have moveset differences like every clone character in the series has, but her footage and Sakurai's words go against that a little, so I'm not sure what to expect.
Dude, that'd be cool. I'm pretty much expecting her to get the same customizable moves as Marth, but throwing some Ike stuff her way would be a great way to really differentiate her and make her more accurate to her FE:A portrayal.
They basically handed out Aether like candy in FE:A.
Beelzebufo
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You're back! And almost definitely not, because Mii and Palutena are still listed as the only characters with completely new customizable moves. It'll still be different variations of the same animation, the question is if it'll be the same variations Marth has.
InvincibleAgent
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Sakurai said:
Seems like he's making it pretty clear. "Identical" is not a word one uses whimsically.
Haha, I forgot that Lucina can now has alts. :3
Your joke seems to be too subtle to some. I knew exactly what you did without even looking at it.
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Hey guys, it seems like we missed a big detail on the PoTD
By the way there's probably no chance you'll be able to see him in the game, but Lucina has Ridley in her left eye.
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