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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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I thought Adorama was authorized because of how much this thread advocated their reputability.
Stupid me for not doing my research.
finalflame
Member
Yes, your receiver needs to support 4K for you to passthrough a 4K signal, doesn't matter the source.
I wonder if the B7/C7 will have the same 100/120hz capabilities @ 1080p as the W7?
That list doesn't even matter.
The warranty is good regardless of where you bought it. Surely you're not paying for the current repair service you're receiving no?
Insane Metal
Member
Ehh more like a hands on review in a controlled environment. Let's wait for final, independent reviews. But I have no doubt this TV will be crazy good.
Art Vandilay
Member
It doesn't matter. I've seen this discussed several times. You still have the same warranty.
Of course. Apart from filters for reflections they are the same TVs. Panels and Processing.
Ah. That's good to know, because I'm currently depending 100% on that warranty to get what I paid for. Haha.
Art Vandilay
Member
You'll be fine. They wouldn't have sent out a repair tech if you weren't covered under warranty, at least not without quoting you first.
finalflame
Member
Neat, that's good to know.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Samsung Q7F, first TV I've ever seen on Rtings get 9.5 for 4K pic quality......
http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q7f
http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q7f
I first read this as a good thing... then I realized it's not a good thing.
Poor QLED.
TheRealGrampa
Neo Member
Can anyone recommend the kd65xd8599bu or know any other code it goes by? Can't find any reviews online. Thanks
2018 about to be boss af
HDMI 2.1
Scorpio
Even more OLED improvements
2 0 1 8
We must hold strong
Prisoner KSC2-303
Member
From the sounds of it, unless LG change their stance on shipping the TVs to reviewers, this may be the best we get.
Insane Metal
Member
Don't forget:
We have contacted Samsung, and they say that our unit is out of spec due to the relatively low peak brightness measurements. We will continue to investigate and update the review as we obtain more information.
Update 3/10/2017. We've ordered another unit. We will test it, verify the results and update the review.
Thebeardofknowledge
Banned
Here's Sony's 65A1E spec sheet
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Yep true, but that will only affect peak brightness, if at all.
I have a feeling 2017 will be a weak year for Samsung, as far as quality sets go, not a FALD in sight either.
Yup. They are out of their minds with the asking price for the Q9. No matter how bright it might get. No one could get me to pay that much for an edge lit TV.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
It's unbelievable, I just watched the local dimming test on the Q7, its par for the course for edge lit, until you see the big white ball enter the mix, bloody hell, its like kicking around a football on a dark misty night Lol, the Q9 is gonna have to pull off some kind of a miracle to get it in the realm of FALD performance, let alone OLED precision.
Do you mean that it's the first of the TVs not to get 10? If I'm looking at the right thing, the KS8000 got 10. I've not read many reviews from there, so I don't know how strict they are on scoring.
http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
I wish I had enough patience till 2018. If I can see image retention and input lag improvements for a 55" OLED in 2017, I'm jumping on it.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Yeah, even the worst LG LCD's get 10.
Thebeardofknowledge
Banned
Sony OLED impressions Trickling in
http://www.techhive.com/article/316...s-video-projector-and-bluetooth-speakers.html
http://www.techhive.com/article/316...s-video-projector-and-bluetooth-speakers.html
finalflame
Member
Such a superficial set of impressions, though :/
I'm holding myself back so hard to not put in an order for the 55" A1E, but I really want to see impressions and comparisons with the C7/B7 so I don't spend an extra $1.5k for no solid reason.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Not to put LG down, but the Sony and Panny will be better and will I'm sure represent the price tag, but the question is how much better.....
I'm just glad I bought my TV 4 months ago, I don't have to talk the Mrs into a £4K purchase
holygeesus
Banned
I've never been happier to be a B6 owner. I'm 100% satisfied with it and will be sitting out this gen but I would be having a mental time trying to pick a 2017 set. So much choice. I'd advise any potential buyer to wait for independent reviews. People reviewing these sets in test conditions cannot give an accurate impression of how they will perform in the home especially with SDR material.
Talking about the sound Residentsleeper
Also the part about banding is hilarious. It's a manufacturer defect and not something that can be eliminated by their fucking processor. Like seriously did that guy just write down some notes that Sony gave him?
Not to put LG down, but the Sony and Panny will be better and will I'm sure represent the price tag, but the question is how much better.....
I'm just glad I bought my TV 4 months ago, I don't have to talk the Mrs into a £4K purchase
If the LG C7's are as good as the impressions imply (for me looking for a 55") I think that will be a strong contender.
I think LG's monopoly over OLED is a thing of 2016. I have much faith in Sony especially after they wow'ed me with their XBR-HX909 and HX929 featuring the best full array local dimming backlight back in the day.
I just hope this drives prices down.. especially for us Canadians where the economy is a steaming dumpster fire.
How was the input lag though?
holygeesus
Banned
28ms on the B6 vs 21ms on the new LGs? Yeah I ain't upgrading for that.
Edit - also lol at that Sony review. You won't see ghosting on any OLED.
GinoFelino
Member
Yeah wise move. They didn't change anything except for that number.
dude
Wait until you hear what they've got planned for the big 2K20
holygeesus
Banned
I didn't say they hadn't improved, just not enough to justify the outlay. Motion is unchanged so I would be spunking out 3K minimum for improved shadow detail and 10% extra brightness.
Can we not pretend that 2016 OLED to 2017 OLED is some life altering upgrade?
These are top of the line TVs we're talking about in here. Everyone should be happy.
I'm sure the 2017 models from LG, Sony, and Panasonic will review very well and will garner top recommendations.
Just as the 2016 models from LG and Panasonic did.
These are top of the line TVs we're talking about in here. Everyone should be happy.
I'm sure the 2017 models from LG, Sony, and Panasonic will review very well and will garner top recommendations.
Just as the 2016 models from LG and Panasonic did.
Yeah, no reason to upgrade from my E6 yet, especially when HDMI 2.1 is not too far off.
Terbinator
Member
Sony XE93/4 £2,400 on their site. Seems odd you would go for that at RRP w/ the B7 at £3K.
i'm on the same boat. Couldn't be happier with my B6. I do understand there will be improvements but that will never ever change so it's not worth going nuts over small incremental upgrades. I'll upgrade in 4 years when they've perfected the near black issues, motion, hopefully have VRR, much higher peak brightness, and more coverage of the new bt2020 color spaces.
Jigolo
Member
You guys know how recommended settings on sites always vary in white balance numbers because the panels always vary slightly. LG has a cool approach to this now for calibrating Dolby Vision HDR. The technical guy being interviewed at the end there is awesome btw, he explains how the TV pretty much gets the numbers for each specific panel. He's pretty cut and dry and gets to the point with no PR drivel. I remember their interview from last year I was shocked at how much information he provided.
https://youtu.be/sY8S9oQh0qo?t=7m1s
Here is last years interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIX2FoOaU7I
Remember guys they are listening. So if you'll want to see more improvements in the gaming aspect of the TVs let them know through forum posts and comments on these kinds of videos. Again we all know they will try to improve the picture for movies and TV use but they only started looking at gaming because of people like us getting their attention
21ms is very good but it could be better like under 1 frame of lag (16.67), I currently use a BenQ monitor for gaming and kinda regret it. I'm not a pro gamer or anything and YES, sure the input lag is fantastic at 10ms but there more negatives that outweigh the positives such as PQ, small size and features. If TVs start having 10-15ms input lag plus the benefits of having a beautiful display like LG is trying to do now, you get all the best stuff in a normal consumer TV. Still besides lowering the input lag further, the TV still doesn't display 4:4:4 chroma in game mode (only PC mode), that's something that should be added in there as well.
I mean if you feel the need to post stuff like this it's already very telling ¯\_(ツ_/¯. I've seen more than a few on this forum and on AVS. There really is no point in these kinds of posts.
https://youtu.be/sY8S9oQh0qo?t=7m1s
Here is last years interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIX2FoOaU7I
Remember guys they are listening. So if you'll want to see more improvements in the gaming aspect of the TVs let them know through forum posts and comments on these kinds of videos. Again we all know they will try to improve the picture for movies and TV use but they only started looking at gaming because of people like us getting their attention
21ms is very good but it could be better like under 1 frame of lag (16.67), I currently use a BenQ monitor for gaming and kinda regret it. I'm not a pro gamer or anything and YES, sure the input lag is fantastic at 10ms but there more negatives that outweigh the positives such as PQ, small size and features. If TVs start having 10-15ms input lag plus the benefits of having a beautiful display like LG is trying to do now, you get all the best stuff in a normal consumer TV. Still besides lowering the input lag further, the TV still doesn't display 4:4:4 chroma in game mode (only PC mode), that's something that should be added in there as well.
I mean if you feel the need to post stuff like this it's already very telling ¯\_(ツ
_/¯. I've seen more than a few on this forum and on AVS. There really is no point in these kinds of posts.Personally, I'm waiting for 2.1 (information on it in the OP), but the benefits of it are years off for the most part. I plan to use my 2018 TV for 4-5 years, but if you're someone that gets a new TV every 2-3 years there is absolutely no need to wait.
I mean if you feel the need to post stuff like this it's already very telling ¯\_(ツ
What are you talking about?
Why would waiting for independent reviews and tests for prospective buyers be bad advice?
Of course "impressions" from a hands-off test at Sony HQ is essentially meaningless.
Jigolo
Member
ELI5? Well really it's up to you and your needs. The upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 is bigger than from standard definition to HDMI 2.0 combined. But ultimately what matters is the content. We really don't know how many things will even support 2.1 in the next few years.
Here's a simple image that may be easier for you to visualize:
First came this:
Now this soon:
Jigolo
Member
I'm not talking about that.
So you're not talking about the post you quoted and what he was stating.
Jigolo
Member
Really just the first 2 sentences of that post. I've never seen so many 2016 OLED owners sooo happy with their purchase after seeing all of what 2017 has to offer. (not referring to just Sony TVs)
Personally I think it's great people are happy with their purchases.
BriareosGAF
Member
My feeling is that I don't want to be early adopter on this stuff--have to upgrade your cabling, receivers, no consoles that support the variable-refresh rate output, etc.. As such the '16 or a '17 are more exciting to me as they represent a more mature stack and hardware ecosystem.
finalflame
Member
I know what you mean. Whenever an upgraded version of something comes out, people seem to find the need to re-state how happy they are with their purchases and how "incremental" the upgrade are, along with making other excuses on why adopting new tech isn't important, etc.
I think all is good as long as everyone is happy with what they have. I'm in a position where I sold my KS8000 ahead of my move and will soon need a new set for my new place, so If impressions show the A1E/C7's motion handling and IQ to be noticeably better than the B6/E6, I'll gladly spring the extra $ to get one of them. It's all going to come down to the hands-on reviews, though, as $3-4k isn't a trivial amount of money to spend on the eve of HDMI2.1 being released.