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The Greatness of the Star Wars Prequels
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It worked, Vader was paralyzed by confusion and unable to take advantage. It portrays the student and mentor relationship. Even though Darth Vader feels like he's outgrown his master, his master still has lessons to teach him, like this one for example.
The prequels is just dumb choreagraphy, Lucas is an idiot and anyone involved in that project was too stupid for their own good.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
The greatness of the prequels resides in two men
Why does Yoda have to fight?
With the Force?
The greatness of the prequels resides in two men
Fixed.
Jawmuncher
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All the other jedi fight why can't yoda?
Yeah, remember all those exciting things Sam Jackson did, such as when
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Clone Wars cartoon.
But he was a complete douchebag in the Clone Wars cartoon.
Unless you mean the Genndy Clone Wars cartoon, where he was indeed awesome.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I do indeed mean the Genndy cartoon.
He's just going to let all of the Jedi die while he does nothing?
"Yoda, please help me. I am literally being shot to death by all of these Clone Troopers"
"That's beneath me lol"
The reason why everyone else fights
The force has never been shown to be that strong really and require great force to do anything big.
In the OT, the lightsabres are more metaphoric. ESB is great, because Vader is just toying with Luke. In ROTJ, Luke overcomes Vader for reasons. The fights aren't over-choreographed, but Luke or Vader never felt like experts in swords. Luke just flails the thing all the time without any precision. A kid has the same skill as Luke. I can't defend the ANH lightsabre battle.
If only the PT put emotion and depth in the fights with more attempted "death strikes", it would have been perfect.
Hopefully the Sequels have a nice blend of the two. Finn is scared when facing Kylo, so that gives me hope, a new hope.
If only the PT put emotion and depth in the fights with more attempted "death strikes", it would have been perfect.
Hopefully the Sequels have a nice blend of the two. Finn is scared when facing Kylo, so that gives me hope, a new hope.
Dusktildawn48
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Obi wan prequel? God yes! He's the best part of the prequels!
The last thing the Star Wars franchise needs is more prequels, please god just give us something new that isn't handcuffed by the OT like the Old Republic or something.
The choreography of the ESB fight is intended to make Vader look like an expert, but in a different way. At the start of the fight, Vader often wields his lightsaber with one hand and doesn't move his body with his strikes, suggesting he's handling poor Luke with contemptuous ease and little effort.
It's very cool-looking.
The Star Wars movie next year is a prequel.
It was never established in the OT that the Jedi Order was war-faring, only that Obi-wan and Anakin fought in the Clone Wars.
In fact originally the Clone Wars was a much smaller thing than what it ended up being. George originally envisioned it was a more localized event where Lando Calrissian was the template for a planet of clones that caused the "Clone Wars" mentioned in Episode IV.
In the context of the original trilogy, it doesn't make sense for Yoda or Palpatine to use a lightsaber.
"For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic."
AKA they were space cops
Granted, Yoda seems to not be very fond of battle.
"War does not make one great."
Definitely. Though since Vader's suit is restrictive, it does make some of his moves look awkward, especially in ROTJ. He can't really raise his arms.
Guardians of peace and justice =/= war-faring generals and tacticians.
I know when I'm on my own on an abandoned planet, I like to take out my lightsaber, just cause.
Yoda had no reason to take out his lightsaber. Why would he?
Also did he even still have it at that point?
To teach Luke how to be a Jedi? Afterall, Obi-wan tells Anakin in Episode II that his lightsaber is his LIFE. The prequels make it that important essentially.
He never had a lightsaber in ESB because he didn't need one to teach Luke how to be a Jedi. Because in the OT, a Jedi isn't about being highly skilled at using the lightsaber it's about a connection with the Force. This is missed completely in the PT by Lucas who decided to make everyone into master swordsmen.
To the prequel's credit, how was Yoda first mentioned by Obi-Wan?
"A great warrior."
Not a wise man, not a sage mentor or teacher... but "a great warrior", there to teach him how to kick ass and defeat Vader.
Now, Yoda in the original films is certainly wise, and he makes it clear the Force is more than just physical fighting... but he's still this legendary warrior, so making him this awesome fighter in the prequel films is, well... it's accurate to how Obi-Wan remembered him and described him.
No, that was Luke's assumption. Obi-Wan just said Yoda was his master.
The greatness of the prequels resides in two men
I felt that Jackson was used terribly here. An actor renowned for his energy and emotion...and they cast him as an emotionless jedi. Thousands of actors could have played Windu just as well.
He could have been an amazing villain, bounty hunter, charismatic politician, or anything else really.
I know, as are the next 6 9 if you count the next 3 episodic movies, that are prequels or directly related to the OT (rumored)... that's what I mean. Can we get a Star Wars movie that expands the lore beyond the usual suspects?
googleplex
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This is the prequels' only contribution to mankind
Did you forget the Clone Wars TV CGI show?
That and "Victory you say? Not Victory, the shroud of the Dark side has falleb, begun the Clone War has"
and his entire "I hate this shit" attitude during Geonosis
Ignoring all the Clone Wars bullshit, we got Darth Maul, arguably the greatest villain of the series. Parts of the podrace were neat to watch, and I enjoyed parts of the battle between the droids and gungans.
If only I could....
The reason yoda didn't have his light saber because he had no need for it. And it was all about the light saber still in the OT because then why teach Luke How to fight? Yoda wised up after Qui-Qon Jinn taught obit wan and yoda how to be one with the force
TheKaeptain
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Episode 9 dude.
He didn't have it because he lost it in his last battle.
No shit. Yoda doesn't need one period, even if he was fighting in the Clone Wars. Yoda's whole point was the the Force was something of defense not of offense.
There's no reason why the backdrop of the prequel trilogy involves the Clone Wars or any galactic war for that matter.
"You fought with my father in the Clone Wars?"
Luke asks Obi-Wan that in the first movie, so the Clone Wars backdrop makes sense.
Mmmh no. Sorry, but you need a higher level of mental gymnastics than those in order to justify that idiotic spin.
It was an idiotic spin, product of a poor coreography. That's it.
I'm not debating on whether Yoda using a lightsaber was stupid or not.
I'm saying that all the fanboys' headcanon about "Yoda not needing to use one" or "being above it" is just headcanon nonsense. That's just an idea that they made up in their heads and now are angry because Lucas showed they were wrong. No other way around it. You can like or hate it all you want. That's how the current canon goes, and no amount of assumptions by fans can change that.
Razgriz-Specter
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I give that discussion credit on 1 point.
Feels more advanced and practical than pretty much everything in the OT imo.
Its like they are soo good why would the Empire ever retire them.
You can say from the EU they have something similar but why would you not send that to attack Echo Base on Hoth with the AT-ATs for example.
Though seems like Rebels might be getting something similar in Rogue One.
RyougaSaotome
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The prequel films eventually led to the fantastic The Clone Wars CG series, so in that sense I guess I'm grateful
He's the Boba Fett of the prequels.
Bonen no Max'd
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What makes Darth Maul "arguably the greatest villain in the series" when doesn't ever do anything? His sole moment of being threatening is followed up by him being cut in half by a Padawan. He has 2 lines of dialogue. He's completely irrelevant to Star Wars until there were like eight bad attempts to bring him back.
The Daughter is above a lightsaber. Yoda isn't
Anyone saying Yoda is above one because he could give his opponent a heart attack through the force is just fanwanking.
Yoda needs lots of concentration to move rocks and stuff. Every Jedi needs. Windu force crushing grievous chest or Yoda effortlessly clashing two airborne ships are non canon for that reason.
Anyone saying Yoda is above one because he could give his opponent a heart attack through the force is just fanwanking.
Yoda needs lots of concentration to move rocks and stuff. Every Jedi needs. Windu force crushing grievous chest or Yoda effortlessly clashing two airborne ships are non canon for that reason.
I see it as the Rebels having fewer resources than the Jedi. The Jedi, as far as we see int he films,a re pretty high in society until Episode 3. I see them as the Vatican with super powers. It makes sense that a group of rebels would have shittier equipment.
The Empire goes for mass produced easy to use weapons like Tie Fighters or ones with big intimidation factor.
Exact. Not just a lasersword. A doublesided lasersword! And he doesn't talk much. A badguy who does not talk much!
If there is a faster way to impress teenage boys, show me!
Vault Dweller 111
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I liked it when they were over.
Spiritreaver
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The same could easily be said for Boba Fett, lol.
I agree about him not being the greatest villain in the series. I can understand his popularity though.
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