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[Pomizead]

soooo... what did you guys feel bout this?

A lot of people are embarrassing and are being laughed at:

 

[Umbral]

Your naive thinking a cure wont help society get back to normal life, will a cure help covid even though it may be a year or so away?

people do what they do in thr game to survive because they dont have a choice, now imagine if there was one because the virus is gone?

Joel took that sense of normalcy away.

Spoiler: TLoU 1

There wasn’t any guarantee that they would be able to make a cure from Ellie. The Fireflies were also nearly destroyed by the military.

If you ask me to allow someone I love to be killed for science, without their consent, for the slight chance of some ragtag group synthesizing a cure, the answer is no.

 

[REE Machine]

Spoiler: TLoU 1

There wasn’t any guarantee that they would be able to make a cure from Ellie. The Fireflies were also nearly destroyed by the military.

If you ask me to allow someone I love to be killed for science, without their consent, for the slight chance of some ragtag group synthesizing a cure, the answer is no.

Ellie said it cant be for nothing, like marlene said it wasnt for joel to decide, she did

 

[MiguelItUp]

What did he score the game?

I know this was pages back, my bad. I didn't see anyone add this, so I wanted to.

But Ralph (Skill Up), also does a channel called Laymen Gaming with his brother. Reviews, news, and the like.

No scores aren't given on either, which I can appreciate personally. However, on one of Laymen Gaming's recent live shows he said if he had to choose a score he'd give it a 7/10. He didn't think it was garbage, and he didn't think it was great. Said that at some point it really lost him and it felt like a chore.
He said it was visually beautiful, and there are a lot of things about the game that have improved. But in the end he felt like the original was much better. That he really just didn't like it or care for it too much.

The IGN Japan review had a lot of the same sentiment it seems.

I don't know why everyone said Skill Up's review was honest and true. I just personally felt that way as his opinion of the first was practically identical to mine. So, while I still want to see for myself, I'm not rushing to do so anymore.

Regardless it's pretty sad that he got attacked for his personal opinion on a game that isn't even out yet. One that majority of attackers haven't even played, lol.

People are silly.

 

[Umbral]

Ellie said it cant be for nothing, like marlene said it wasnt for joel to decide, she did

Spoiler: TLoU 1

It wasn’t Marlene’s decision either. She had Joel get Ellie across the U.S. and deliver her to them, then escorted him out at the threat of death. She left him no choice. I’d kill her and everyone who tried to stop me every time. Ellie is also 14, I don’t know that you should put that kind of decision on a child.

Most people, myself included, were idiots at 14 and had no place making large life decisions. This subject has been talked to death in every corner of the internet. You have your perspective and I have mine.

 

[REE Machine]

Spoiler: TLoU 1

It wasn’t Marlene’s decision either. She had Joel get Ellie across the U.S. and deliver her to them, then escorted him out at the threat of death. She left him no choice. I’d kill her and everyone who tried to stop me every time. Ellie is also 14, I don’t know that you should put that kind of decision on a child.

Most people, myself included, were idiots at 14 and had no place making large life decisions. This subject has been talked to death in every corner of the internet. You have your perspective and I have mine.

Its nice to admit at 14 you were an idiot but again your not taking into an account of the world she grew up in. At 14 she killed how many grown men etc, how many did you kill? She grew up in a harsh and cruel world where she needed to fend for herself. Not acknowledging that is doing her character a disservice, again she stated "it cant be for nothing"

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Ellie said it cant be for nothing, like marlene said it wasnt for joel to decide, she did

You're looking at it all wrong. This is a personal story about the relationship between a girl and a father. The father failed his first daughter, taken by the very people he would have expected to protect her. This lead to him going off the rails and becoming a monster. His anger and denial had become his barrier to letting in love of any kind, especially fatherly love. His daughter was in this game from start to finish, beside him, reminding him of what love had done to him and he feared love because of that. Eventually love was too powerful and Ellie became his daughter. His road to redemption was complete.

The choice he made was a measure of his love for Ellie. That's the WHOLE point of the narrative in TLOU. He would sooner see the world burn than let his daughter die. That's REAL love.

There is a morality to be discussed about the decision when isolated but not in the context of the story in TLOU.

 

[Knitted Knight]

|OT| Ellie's bulge rated 96 MC

 

[Bryank75]

I find it hilarious how people say Sony is too broke to buy studios and then go on to say that they paid every media outlet in the world basically to give them favorable scores....

 

[Knitted Knight]

I find it hilarious how people say Sony is too broke to buy studios and then go on to say that they paid every media outlet in the world basically to give them favorable scores....

The return on Insomniac has been crazy already. Talk about a good investment.

 

[Bryank75]

The return on Insomniac has been crazy already. Talk about a good investment.

I'm hoping for another 2 or 3.....

Had my eyes on MihoYo (China, low development cost)
Housemarque... very talented and history with Sony.
and either Kojipro or Remedy.

Now, they have nearly 30 billion in cash...so if they went mad, I'd say to buy Bethesda or Capcom. But I doubt that will happen.

 

[Woggleman]

This game is in my system, the icon is in my games folder and I can't play it. Why do you do this to me Sony? Just kidding.

 

[Gamernyc78]

This game is in my system, the icon is in my games folder and I can't play it. Why do you do this to me Sony? Just kidding.

I know it's such a tease.

 

[skneogaf]

Just playing left behind on the last of us 1, please tell me last of us 2 isn't like this?

 

[Eiknarf]

Just playing left behind on the last of us 1, please tell me last of us 2 isn't like this?

You can see from the gameplay footage in any review that TLOU2 plays way better

 

[Doom85]

Now, they have nearly 30 billion in cash...so if they went mad, I'd say to buy Bethesda or Capcom. But I doubt that will happen.

Hmm, even though Sony is my favorite of the Big 3, I think I'd prefer Capcom to be "independent" (or whatever the word is) for the time being. 5 years ago, I might have felt differently, the fact they needed Sony's help to even afford to make Street Fighter 5 was very worrying, but given so much of their titles from this gen have been quite successful I'm going to assume they're in a much better position financially. Plus, if Sony owned them, I wonder if that would cause issues with characters like Mega Man or the Street Fighter characters appearing in future Smash Bros titles. I'm not saying it would be a bad move, hell Sony funding them more might make them willing to take more risks and revive some of their dormant IPs like Dino Crisis or Rival Schools, but for now I'm cool with Capcom as they are.

I'm totally for them buying Bethesda if that means Sony pushes for higher quality control from them. Now, I'm not saying those developers all deserve the flak, hell I'm psyched for Deathloop, but given everything that happened with Fallout 76 it would be nice to have someone like Sony to stop that shit early in the process and be like, "hey, don't treat your players like that!"

 

[Woggleman]

I wish Sony would buy Rockstar so maybe they would care about SP again.

 

[Bryank75]

I wish Sony would buy Rockstar so maybe they would care about SP again.

They would have to buy all of TakeTwo I would assume... which is about 12.5 Billion. Doubt it would ever fly. But I would love that too..

 

[Umbral]

You can see from the gameplay footage in any review that TLOU2 plays way better

Way better?

Everything I’ve seen is that it plays the same as the first game with incremental improvements. They also bragged about a jump button, which from what I’ve seen appears to be without purpose. You could remove it and nothing would change. Going prone is certainly an improvent.

 

[Woggleman]

From what I have seen it improves upon the first game but it still has same basic DNA which is perfectly fine in my book.

 

[Balducci30]

Its shown and proven Ellie has saved Joel a bunch of times and risked dying for him as well because she cant swim dueing the bus situation, it was a 1 to 1 relationship. Joel had to adapt to the world, she was born in it and also taught how to fend for herself from the military.

Again its the choice of 1 vs all of humanity, is it nice he grew attatchment of her? Sure, but his daughter cant be replaced and his pain and actions caused even more pain around the world globally with people still getting infected and even more people dying just to save one person. His daughter cant be replaced, his character had selfish motivations near the end because he wanted to make it right for himself, not the world. Imagine if in the second game this is addressed and lots of people find out what he did?

Again. Beginning of the game Joel would not have done what he did at the end. Therefore you are now saying that somehow he remained a static villain throughout, or that he would’ve in fact been a better person if he remained how he was - he is clearly throughout the game trying to stop her from becoming like him. He’s willing to sacrifice himself for that on numerous occasions and it’s certainly not 1:1. It’s not just him replacing his daughter it’s him finding the ability to love someone like that again. And let’s not forget that human beings are proven to really be the main enemies in all of this. Which I’m sure will be the case in part 2 as well. Is it a dark story sure, but nihilistic it’s not.

 

[Vaelka]

Again “10” doesn’t mean perfection, it just means that reviewer enjoy the game enough to give that score. Stop focusing so much on the score, read/watch actual reviews. Do you like or dislike what hear? Make decision based on that, it’s really that simple. Do you agree what SkillUP says? If so then you have your answer.

Seriously, why people make this so much more complicated than it actually is.

The problem I have with that is how inconsistent it is and I do think that there's a lot of favoritism.
And I do think that it does matter because even if we want to say that scores don't matter a 10/10 is a powerful marketing tool.

Skillup talked about this in his Nier:Automata review how all of the reviewers he had listened to were describing a 10/10 game but just insisted on giving it a 9/10 for some reason.
In the cast of TLOU2 tho I think that a 10/10 was just a given from the beginning from most of these outlets not because of the game in and of itself but because it's a Naughty Dog game and a sequel to TLOU.
If scores were useless then people wouldn't use them, but they aren't useless.
And they do matter for marketing which is why it does frustrate me when there's so much bias involved and there's no real and consistent system.

I mean we're talking about people who take away a whole point in their reviews because there's burlesque dancing in a game or people wearing shorts.
That's how silly and dumb it is.

 

[Danjin44]

The problem I have with that is how inconsistent it is and I do think that there's a lot of favoritism.
And I do think that it does matter because even if we want to say that scores matter a 10/10 is a powerful marketing tool.

Skillup talked about this in his Nier:Automata review how all of the reviewers he had listened to were describing a 10/10 game but just insisted on giving it a 9/10 for some reason.
In the cast of TLOU2 tho I think that a 10/10 was just a given from the beginning from most of these outlets not because of the game in and of itself but because it's a Naughty Dog game and a sequel to TLOU.
If scores were useless then people wouldn't use them, but they aren't useless.
And they do matter for marketing which is why it does frustrate me when there's so much bias involved and there's no real and consistent system.

Think about this, reviewers job is to inform us, they might talk about the “flaws” that they think their readers and watchers need to know but they personally didn’t effect their overall enjoyment of the game. So they listed few flaws but still got high score because that final score is all about their enjoyment overall game, there is no math calculation of adding or subtracting points.

 

[Bryank75]

Funny how I don't see this backlash when Mario or Zelda or RDR2 get 10/10's.

People really get triggered when PlayStation get those crazy meta's.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Funny how I don't see this backlash when Mario or Zelda or RDR2 get 10/10's.

People really get triggered when PlayStation get those crazy meta's.

There was plenty of backlash for BotW and RDR2 from what i remember.

 

[Bryank75]

There was plenty of backlash for BotW and RDR2 from what i remember.

I don't remember much... but maybe I wasn't as invested at the time. I bought BOTW well after launch but I was there at midnight launch for RDR2.

Do you remember who was causing backlash for RDR2? Before playing it...

 

[Guilty_AI]

I don't remember much... but maybe I wasn't as invested at the time. I bought BOTW well after launch but I was there at midnight launch for RDR2.

Do you remember who was causing backlash for RDR2? Before playing it...

Not before playing it, but complaining about the mechanics, game design, etc. As for BotW there were plenty of complaints for the open world design claiming it was too repetitive and empty. Since TLoU2 is mainly story driven, and certain things about the story that are very annoying got leaked, i think the backlash is natural.

 

[Bryank75]

Not before playing it, but complaining about the mechanics, game design, etc. As for BotW there were plenty of complaints for the open world design claiming it was too repetitive and empty. Since TLoU2 is mainly story driven, and certain things about the story that are very annoying got leaked, i think the backlash is natural.

Yup, I was pissed with stuff I heard but I was thinking about it and came to terms with most of it and I also want to see how they approached the story.... it could still be well done. The only way I can know is if I play myself.

 

[Frito_Pendejo]

Naughty Dog makes tremendous games. I expected TLOU2 to be great and it seems to be. Everyone should be happy about this. Another great game to play.

 

[Humdinger]

Interestingly, Polygon and Kotaku seem to dislike the game. They echo some of what Skill Up had to say about the story and characters. Here are a few quotes that stood out to me.

Kotaku:

Mostly I just felt like shit.

It's exhausting.

My playthrough of The Last of Us 2 felt terrible to experience. Over the course of my 27 hours with the game, it grew to the point of feeling nearly unbearable. This wasn’t because it asked me hard questions about my own capacity for harm or revenge. Despite Druckmann’s promised “philosophical questions,” I never felt like the game asked me anything. Instead, it told me “brutality,” repeatedly and louder, until by the end I couldn’t hear what it was trying to say at all. Characters make hideous, irredeemable choices, over and over. Everybody suffers, physically and emotionally, in graphic detail. This is all intended to prove a point, but the only point I got from the game was simply to be required to stare at violence, and play through violence, and then do that again, and more, and again, and more.

Eventually, my numbness turned to an anger I’ve never felt about a video game. Late one night, I paused the game and asked myself aloud if the developers thought I was stupid, if they thought the existence of violence had just never occurred to me before.

The Last Of Us Part 2: The Kotaku Review

Everything in The Last of Us 2 takes work. Every weapon reload, killing blow, and crafted item takes time and button presses. At times the game is painfully slow; even in the most action-packed sections you put in effort to move things forward. You’re paid for this work in a grim story and...

kotaku.com

Polygon:

The game’s central problem, and what makes so much of it such a challenge to get through: This is a story about characters who seem unable to learn or grow, and more specifically, unable to consider the humanity of the people they kill. If you already think violence isn’t the answer to many of the world’s problems, the repeated lesson that killing is bad makes the game almost maddening.

The game's larger problem is that the characters never catch up to me. I kept expecting Ellie to grow and turn away from a life of constant violence, but she never picks up on the obvious didactic nature of the game she’s in, even as the designers beat you over the head with a very simple lesson about the value of human life."

It is really just a story about a teen girl, her damage, and her apparent belief that the only way to get over that trauma is murder. A lot of murder. ...And she’ll be dragging the player along with her, because you have no damn choice but to get homicidal, no matter how much the game wags its finger in your face saying how bad you’re being.

The characters are almost unbelievably unable to see the bigger picture. Part 2 ends up feeling needlessly bleak, at a time when a nihilistic worldview has perhaps never been less attractive.

The Last of Us Part 2 review: We’re better than this

Did you know murder is wrong?

www.polygon.com

 

[Danjin44]

If the issue for them is the game is too “bleak” then I guess I have nothing to worry about. I loved games like Drakengard which way more bleak than TLOU part 2.

 

[Knitted Knight]

I'm hoping for another 2 or 3.....

Had my eyes on MihoYo (China, low development cost)
Housemarque... very talented and history with Sony.
and either Kojipro or Remedy.

Now, they have nearly 30 billion in cash...so if they went mad, I'd say to buy Bethesda or Capcom. But I doubt that will happen.

They need to get it over with and buy FromSoftware. Deal the final blow to the master race.

-------------
By percentage decimals TLOU2 has surpassed them.

 

[Vaelka]

Think about this, reviewers job is to inform us, they might talk about the “flaws” that they think their readers and watchers need to know but they personally didn’t effect their overall enjoyment of the game. So they listed few flaws but still got high score because that final score is all about their enjoyment overall game, there is no math calculation of adding or subtracting points.

I don't think that more objective reviewing is impossible, Totalbiscuit did a good job with that when he was still around and didn't revolve everything so much around his own personal feelings about things.
Jim Sterling has been able to in a lot of his reviews too, he's a bit all over the place but he has shown before that he can put his personal feelings and biases to the side and just acknowledge that a game is really good and does a great job appealing to its target audience.
The problem with most reviewers imo is that they're incapable of even attempting to look at things from the pov of the target audience which ultimately is what's really the most relevant and important thing for a game or whatever it may be.
I think that a good reviewer can look at things from many different perspectives and adapt their review to the target audience of the product.

That's not to say that you can't be subjective in your reviews, obviously opinions are going to be a thing.
My problem is A, how extremely one-sided it is and how certain content like sexualized content for example is treated as the devil incarnate while other content or genres has postitive bias in favor of it by pretty much every reviewer because lets be real here if you want to be hired you gotta follow the status quo.
And B, I think that large mainstream sites should focus on the more objective parts in their reviews and try to minimize the opinion piece part of the review.
Especially in the score.

If we're talking about some small website it's kinda whatever, I think that them having a niche is fine so long as they're honest about it. But when we're talking about the huge websites like IGN for example then it does bother me when you only really get opinions from one very narrow perspective ( game journalists are infamous and mocked for a reason ).
I just think that the standards for game reviewing are way too low, we're at the point where an angry blog post ranting about Trump gets passed off as a Dead or Alive 6 '' review '' or persona 5 dancing in starlight gets a whole point taken away from it because it had a burlesque dance in it.
Or that weird PCgamer Monster Hunter Iceborne review, or the Rimworld one by the same person going after trans writing in the game even tho it was written by an actual trans person. Or Polygon and Kotaku ranting about the irl police in a Spiderman game.
Or Dragon Quest XI gets a whole point taken off because of the existence of a bunny outfit in a side quest...
Or a Bayonetta review where like 60% of the review is just ranting about the sexualized nature of the game.

I just think that game reviewing revolves way too much around opinions and opinions alone and there's so much unfair bias, and the problem is that then the people who end up getting hired are just people who share those same opinions and biases and everyone is forced to walk the same line.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I don't remember much... but maybe I wasn't as invested at the time. I bought BOTW well after launch but I was there at midnight launch for RDR2.

Do you remember who was causing backlash for RDR2? Before playing it...

Idk but after I played RDR 2 I was pissed and wanted my money back lol I couldn't keep playing it with those mollases clunky controls

 

[REE Machine]

Idk but after I played RDR 2 I was pissed and wanted my money back lol I couldn't keep playing it with those mollases clunky controls

But but its realistic lmao

 

[Danjin44]

I don't think that more objective reviewing is impossible, Totalbiscuit did a good job with that when he was still around and didn't revolve everything so much around his own personal feelings about things.
Jim Sterling has been able to in a lot of his reviews too, he's a bit all over the place but he has shown before that he can put his personal feelings and biases to the side and just acknowledge that a game is really good and does a great job appealing to its target audience.
The problem with most reviewers imo is that they're incapable of even attempting to look at things from the pov of the target audience which ultimately is what's really the most relevant and important thing for a game or whatever it may be.
I think that a good reviewer can look at things from many different perspectives and adapt their review to the target audience of the product.

That's not to say that you can't be subjective in your reviews, obviously opinions are going to be a thing.
My problem is A, how extremely one-sided it is and how certain content like sexualized content for example is treated as the devil incarnate while other content or genres has postitive bias in favor of it by pretty much every reviewer because lets be real here if you want to be hired you gotta follow the status quo.
And B, I think that large mainstream sites should focus on the more objective parts in their reviews and try to minimize the opinion piece part of the review.
Especially in the score.

If we're talking about some small website it's kinda whatever, I think that them having a niche is fine so long as they're honest about it. But when we're talking about the huge websites like IGN for example then it does bother me when you only really get opinions from one very narrow perspective ( game journalists are infamous and mocked for a reason ).
I just think that the standards for game reviewing are way too low, we're at the point where an angry blog post ranting about Trump gets passed off as a Dead or Alive 6 '' review '' or persona 5 dancing in starlight gets a whole point taken away from it because it had a burlesque dance in it.
Or that weird PCgamer Monster Hunter Iceborne review, or the Rimworld one by the same person going after trans writing in the game even tho it was written by an actual trans person. Or Polygon and Kotaku ranting about the irl police in a Spiderman game.
Or Dragon Quest XI gets a whole point taken off because of the existence of a bunny outfit in a side quest...
Or a Bayonetta review where like 60% of the review is just ranting about the sexualized nature of the game.

I just think that game reviewing revolves way too much around opinions and opinions alone and there's so much unfair bias, and the problem is that then the people who end up getting hired are just people who share those same opinions and biases and everyone is forced to walk the same line.

This why people need less focus on actual score just read/watch the actual review, because there are times when the thing the reviewer consider negative points might not be negative points for you. For example: when a game lose points because its "anime" or the game its too "bleak", but those "negative points" is none issue for me, so those "flaws" become irrelevant to me.

 

[Gamernyc78]

But but its realistic lmao

Fuck tht if a game plays like tht I don't want it. There are plenty of realistic games tht control better than that shit I'd say all of them. A gane like Days Gone infinitely plays better and is more fun compared to RDR 2 imo.

 

[Bryank75]

Idk but after I played RDR 2 I was pissed and wanted my money back lol I couldn't keep playing it with those mollases clunky controls

Yeah, I didn't mind it to a certain point but when you're picking up a load of stuff and it does each animation and you have to wait.... that annoyed me and in the middle of a crazy gunfight or riding the horse through trees, I found the controls problematic.

I was hoping they had worked on that.

 

[Danjin44]

But but its realistic lmao

RDR2 is iffy about when it want to be "realistic" like the wanted system which make no sense, when you start a mission all that simulation and realism goes out of the window and you need to do EXACTLY what it ask of you or you failed the mission.

 

[Guilty_AI]

If the issue for them is the game is too “bleak” then I guess I have nothing to worry about. I loved games like Drakengard which way more bleak than TLOU part 2.

Tbf though, i think Yoko Taro knows better than Druckmann how to handle dark themes. The thing about tragedy is that it can turn into comedy at the flick of a finger, and a good writer aware of that fact either avoids going too far or happily plays into the notion. If you go too far with the dark themes while still taking everything seriously, the story just becomes something ridiculous and often unintended comedy, kinda like some teen's edgy fanfic. From the reviews i've seen, thats what seems to happen with TLoU2.

 

[Danjin44]

Tbf though, i think Yoko Taro knows better than Druckmann how to handle dark themes. The thing about tragedy is that it can turn into comedy at the flick of a finger, and a good writer aware of that fact either avoids going too far or happily plays into the notion. If you go too far with the dark themes while still taking everything seriously, the story just becomes something ridiculous and often unintended comedy, kinda like some teen's edgy fanfic. From the reviews i've seen, thats what seems to happen with TLoU2.

Will see, I will play it and judge the game myself, because most of the time my taste differs from most reviewers.

 

[Mojo1990]

Not really into the whole subverting of norms. It feels forced.
I can't relate to a female lead in a seemingly real life setting.
It's a degree far removed from playing as a male lead. Our fantasies are powerful, yet all too fragile. For the mind to flourish in our machinations we've got to nail the illusion from the get go; to have an anchor from which all else rests. A slight deviation and that illusion shatters.
Visual keys and references are essential. Character needs to be un-compromised.

 

[Danjin44]

I can't relate to a female lead in a seemingly real life setting.

I don't think I could ever understand this, for me there are games that has female that I can relate more males even tho I'm male myself, heck I can even relate to characters that are not even human.

Also I can still enjoy the story and character even I cant relate to them, I dont think anyone can relate to character like Caim but his interesting character, which makes me interested in his story.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Will see, I will play it and judge the game myself, because most of the time my taste differs from most reviewers.

Fair enough. Honestly, i actually got a bit of morbid curiousity about the game myself after seeing the reviews despite having no interest on it previously. If anything, i want to see how bad they went with the G R I M D A R K S T O R Y thingy.

 

[REE Machine]

RDR2 is iffy about when it want to be "realistic" like the wanted system which make no sense, when you start a mission all that simulation and realism goes out of the window and you need to do EXACTLY what it ask of you or you failed the mission.

Yep, also i dont know about you guys but for realism it doesn't take me 30 seconds to pick up canned peaches, I'm just saying.

 

[REE Machine]

I don't think I could ever understand this, for me there are games that has female that I can relate more males even tho I'm male myself, heck I can even relate to characters that are not even human.

I cant relate to a cat but ill probably pick up stray on ps5 lol

 

[Mojo1990]

It's a degree far too removed for me.
I don't mind Lara croft though. There's something about her that I don't mind. She doesn't break that illusion. She is strong and dignified

 

[MDSLKTR]

Interestingly, Polygon and Kotaku seem to dislike the game. They echo some of what Skill Up had to say about the story and characters. Here are a few quotes that stood out to me.

Kotaku:

The Last Of Us Part 2: The Kotaku Review

Everything in The Last of Us 2 takes work. Every weapon reload, killing blow, and crafted item takes time and button presses. At times the game is painfully slow; even in the most action-packed sections you put in effort to move things forward. You’re paid for this work in a grim story and...

kotaku.com

Polygon:

The Last of Us Part 2 review: We’re better than this

Did you know murder is wrong?

www.polygon.com

So there's no score? Thank god.

 

[Woggleman]

The violent and dark tone is a plus for me and people who play a game in this franchise should expect it. It's like playing a Mario or Pokemon game and complaining it is too cartoony and colorful.

 

[Danjin44]

The violent and dark tone is a plus for me and people who play a game in this franchise should expect it.

The original game also didn't end in "pleasant" way, even Left Behind didn't end pleasantly, I don't want even imagine that both Ellie and Riley just waiting until they turn but Ellie end up not turning while Riley slowly turning and I'm guessing Ellie end up killing her in the end.

So i'm pretty sure Part 2 is gonna end in happy note.