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Fixed for you. Enjoy your echo chamber of white, male rightwing snowflakes.
I'm left wing as all hell and not white.
I'm kinda glad white liberals are leaving. Ya'll insufferable.
Fixed for you. Enjoy your echo chamber of white, male rightwing snowflakes.
This is a problem though...There is very little to go on at the moment except the word of two people involved in the incident. I find the hysteria here rather off putting. If he was genuinely predatory then that is disgusting, but unless more circumstantial or direct evidence arises, there is no possibility of making a fair judgement at the moment. This is nothing like the situation with people like Weinstein, Crosby or Trump yet - leaving aside the severity, I am refering to the circumstantial evidence. The situation in Madrid was an assault of sorts and something that is common in any club you go to where people get drunk and men become idiots.
The future of NeoGAF will be a return to what many of us have come here for, a place where we can gather together and enjoy our shared hobby of video games. For a short time, Off-Topic Discussion and Off-Topic Community will be closed so that we can rediscover that. We'll be starting with a clean slate when they come back. However, the focus will be on the many other hobbies we may have like TV, movies, anime, writing, music, etc. Political and social discourse will not be allowed in the new Off-Topic.
Again the point I find baffling so few are mentioning is the history. This is just one of many incidents.
His history of grabbing women at bars against their wills (we have had multiple GAF members in the past state they witnessed this), him posting revenge porn against a ex.
It creates a pattern that makes one unlikely to trust him on this.
Almost everyone would come back if EL stepped down.
It was the poor handling of the situation is why many are leaving.
There are a bunch of things revealed in the past few days that I had no clue about and I was a regular poster in OT. I never bothered to dig deep into GAF and stayed in my lane (sports, film, TV, LEGO, random posts). Your post just revealed something I didn't even know about.
It is not just one issue but multiples issues that have come to light recently (at least to me) that makes this place somewhere I can no longer be part of.
Farewell to those from MLB GAF, Box Office GAF, LEGO GAF, and all the random film and TV threads.
I'm out.
Sure, assuming the girl's account of things is entirely accurate. It may not be for all we know.
I would not blame Neogaf for doing it. You guys are still accusing Tyler Malka of wrongdoing even though the evidence clearly showing she never thought this was a big deal as she jumped into bed with him and had sex with him. Neogaf does want trolling to continue, don't blame them. When he truly does something evil talk about it.
Im legit confused. Why are so many peacing out? I read the OP and heard about the allegations etc. but as far as I can tell nothing has been proven yet?
Is it because the OT is gone?
Im a bit late to the party so I may have missed something.
Can someone explain?
Oh wow, what a ride. Never thought of EviLore as a normal person up until now. With all the far left mods gone maybe all the cancer of this forum will be ripped out in one fell swoop. Now what's left is to get the good reputation back from years ago, or at least get it on restorative track, and then sell the website when market value gets back to six zeroes. Brilliant. In the meantime, can we speak freely?
I think games are pure art, and i love them for this. I'm a grown ass man and i don't need man-children preaching about what is the right way to live. I'm centrist, a good person, in two months - hopefully a good father. Get the fuck off my GAF to reddit and jerk each others morally superior wieners there. I'm here for the games and err.. anime.
Also, Bioware can suck my cock. Both of EvilWithin games are mediocre clunky throwbacks. Last of Us 2 trailer is cringe to the max. Best 2016 game is Axiom Verge. No one actually likes Sunset Overdrive, and american "football" is actually poor mans rugby.
So I haven't looked into any of Evilore's past controversies, and haven't read much about this latest one.
With that said, here is the question that comes to my mind: how is this (or any of the past controversies) any of our business?
Sure, he is the owner (founder?) of the Neogaf message board, but why does his personal life matter at all to the functionality of the Neogaf board?
Someone mentioned him being like the CEO of a company and how the members of that company wouldn't be able to tolerate some terrible issues that he CEO had --- he'd need to be replaced.
Neogaf isn't a company. It's just a gathering place for a vast community. Evilore isn't the leader of the community. The community members are all self-autonomous members who come to the center and participate as they please. Evilore just owns the community center. Sure, he has the right to set the rules and nuke the threads that he finds controversial, even if those threads are related to him personally and potential serious allegations.
What does that matter? Why burn down the community center and/or leave the community just because the owner of that community center is up on charges? It's not the owner that constitutes the quality of the community center or the community. It is the overall discourse and interactions between the community members after they gather within the community center.
Sure, community members have a right to voice their opinions on the community center owner's allegations, and the owner has the right to shut down those conversations and kick out those whose opinions he doesn't like. It's then the right of the rest of the community members to voice their concern and disapproval of such actions.
Personally, I can't believe that the OT and OT Community has been nuked due to this issue and I can't even believe that so many community members are choosing to take Evilore's allegations so personally to the point of leaving/suicide-banning etc. Is that really worth it?
Frankly, I don't think it's any of our business, regardless of how serious the allegations are. If he doesn't want it discussed, then so be it. It's a personal issue and only personal issues that community members want to discuss should be privy to discussion. If they request that it not be discussed, then we all should respect that request.
Please restore Neogaf to its original form with OT / OT Community in full form, free to discuss politics etc.
Please stop discussing this highly personal issue that Evilore has made clear he does not want discussed.
Let's salvage what we can of the community center that was built over so many years and bring back as much of the community as possible that made it so special.
Im legit confused. Why are so many peacing out? I read the OP and heard about the allegations etc. but as far as I can tell nothing has been proven yet?
Is it because the OT is gone?
Im a bit late to the party so I may have missed something.
Can someone explain?
Did you quote the wrong message? Because in no way did you respond to my questions.
Firstly no one is blaming Neogaf for EvilLore maybe having sexually harassed a person.
Secondly a lot of people are reserving judgement on him. Including myself. However you have to be drinking the KoolAid by the gallon, to think they way he's handled it was appropriate. He's not only damaged the website and it' community, he's insulted the accuser and tried to cast doubt by claiming she's mentally unstable. No matter how you look at it, it's a dick move.
Thirdly, she obviously thought it was a big deal when she felt the need to tell others for the first time over FB. Hell a lot of the women in Hollywood harassed by Wienstine just thought it wasn't a big deal. They didn't even think about it in that light till all the accusations came out. Even if she did later go on to have a relationship with him, it was still inappropriate and illegal thing to do.
Jesus christ.
Im legit confused. Why are so many peacing out? I read the OP and heard about the allegations etc. but as far as I can tell nothing has been proven yet?
Is it because the OT is gone?
Im a bit late to the party so I may have missed something.
Can someone explain?
I‘m legit confused. Why are so many peacing out? I read the OP and heard about the allegations etc. but as far as I can tell nothing has been proven yet?
Is it because the OT is gone?
I‘m a bit late to the party so I may have missed something.
Can someone explain?
Oh wow, what a ride. Never thought of EviLore as a normal person up until now. With all the far left mods gone maybe all the cancer of this forum will be ripped out in one fell swoop. Now what's left is to get the good reputation back from years ago, or at least get it on restorative track, and then sell the website when market value gets back to six zeroes. Brilliant. In the meantime, can we speak freely?
I think games are pure art, and i love them for this. I'm a grown ass man and i don't need man-children preaching about what is the right way to live. I'm centrist, a good person, in two months - hopefully a good father. Get the fuck off my GAF to reddit and jerk each others morally superior wieners there. I'm here for the games and err.. anime.
Also, Bioware can suck my cock. Both of EvilWithin games are mediocre clunky throwbacks. Last of Us 2 trailer is cringe to the max. Best 2016 game is Axiom Verge. No one actually likes Sunset Overdrive, and american "football" is actually poor mans rugby.
Im legit confused. Why are so many peacing out? I read the OP and heard about the allegations etc. but as far as I can tell nothing has been proven yet?
Is it because the OT is gone?
Im a bit late to the party so I may have missed something.
Can someone explain?
Im legit confused. Why are so many peacing out? I read the OP and heard about the allegations etc. but as far as I can tell nothing has been proven yet?
Is it because the OT is gone?
Im a bit late to the party so I may have missed something.
Can someone explain?
I dunno. I think the rub is that Evilore's account of events and reaction to all of this actually makes him look less sympathetic than her account does.
It's just bizarre.
At the end of the day this is just a fucking message board - this is not a state, a religion, a philosophic school etc.
Oh wow, what a ride. Never thought of EviLore as a normal person up until now. With all the far left mods gone maybe all the cancer of this forum will be ripped out in one fell swoop. Now what's left is to get the good reputation back from years ago, or at least get it on restorative track, and then sell the website when market value gets back to six zeroes. Brilliant. In the meantime, can we speak freely?
I think games are pure art, and i love them for this. I'm a grown ass man and i don't need man-children preaching about what is the right way to live. I'm centrist, a good person, in two months - hopefully a good father. Get the fuck off my GAF to reddit and jerk each others morally superior wieners there. I'm here for the games and err.. anime.
Also, Bioware can suck my cock. Both of EvilWithin games are mediocre clunky throwbacks. Last of Us 2 trailer is cringe to the max. Best 2016 game is Axiom Verge. No one actually likes Sunset Overdrive, and american "football" is actually poor mans rugby.
Again the point I find baffling so few are mentioning is the history. This is just one of many incidents.
His history of grabbing women at bars against their wills (we have had multiple GAF members in the past state they witnessed this), him posting revenge porn against a ex.
It creates a pattern that makes one unlikely to trust him on this.
Apparently you're not as grown as you think
it was generally assumed that GAF was above those places.
I disagree that Off Topic was the problem. The problem was and is not allowing discussion on a discussion board. When it came to social discussion on Gaf you had 3 choices...
1. Completely agree with Gaf and receive a pat on the back because you are so advanced and progressive.
2. Shut up and not voice your thoughts
3. Disagree or not fully agree with Gaf. You will get banned someway some how.
That's what needs to change. You shouldn't receive a ban because you disagree with social Gaf.
Neither you nor Evilore are remotely close to being a normal person.Oh wow, what a ride. Never thought of EviLore as a normal person up until now.
Did you quote the wrong message? Because in no way did you respond to my questions.
Firstly no one is blaming Neogaf for EvilLore maybe having sexually harassed a person.
Secondly a lot of people are reserving judgement on him. Including myself. However you have to be drinking the KoolAid by the gallon, to think they way he's handled it was appropriate. He's not only damaged the website and it' community, he's insulted the accuser and tried to cast doubt by claiming she's mentally unstable. No matter how you look at it, it's a dick move.
Thirdly, she obviously thought it was a big deal when she felt the need to tell others for the first time over FB. Hell a lot of the women in Hollywood harassed by Wienstine just thought it wasn't a big deal. They didn't even think about it in that light till all the accusations came out. Even if she did later go on to have a relationship with him, it was still inappropriate and illegal thing to do.
I disagree that Off Topic was the problem. The problem was and is not allowing discussion on a discussion board. When it came to social discussion on Gaf you had 3 choices...
1. Completely agree with Gaf and receive a pat on the back because you are so advanced and progressive.
2. Shut up and not voice your thoughts
3. Disagree or not fully agree with Gaf. You will get banned someway some how.
That's what needs to change. You shouldn't receive a ban because you disagree with social Gaf.
Yep... people would rip you to shreds if you didn't go with the flow.
Lord forbid you disagreed with with the general gaf consensus in a political thread.
I disagree that Off Topic was the problem. The problem was and is not allowing discussion on a discussion board. When it came to social discussion on Gaf you had 3 choices...
1. Completely agree with Gaf and receive a pat on the back because you are so advanced and progressive.
2. Shut up and not voice your thoughts
3. Disagree or not fully agree with Gaf. You will get banned someway some how.
That's what needs to change. You shouldn't receive a ban because you disagree with social Gaf.
This is the problem, people here 'think' they are better than elsewhere when it comes to gaming. The reality is that GAF is the same as anywhere else, with a fairly large %of members who bully other members when they have opposing viewpoints.
Oh wow, what a ride. Never thought of EviLore as a normal person up until now. With all the far left mods gone maybe all the cancer of this forum will be ripped out in one fell swoop. Now what's left is to get the good reputation back from years ago, or at least get it on restorative track, and then sell the website when market value gets back to six zeroes. Brilliant. In the meantime, can we speak freely?
I think games are pure art, and i love them for this. I'm a grown ass man and i don't need man-children preaching about what is the right way to live. I'm centrist, a good person, in two months - hopefully a good father. Get the fuck off my GAF to reddit and jerk each others morally superior wieners there. I'm here for the games and err.. anime.
Also, Bioware can suck my cock. Both of EvilWithin games are mediocre clunky throwbacks. Last of Us 2 trailer is cringe to the max. Best 2016 game is Axiom Verge. No one actually likes Sunset Overdrive, and american "football" is actually poor mans rugby.