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bgassassin
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The problem with the UE4 pics is the art style, not the tech behind it. It doesn't change anything for Wii U.
The same thing will apply with CE 3.4 in that it depends on if Nintendo made the necessary tweaks. If the tweaks included adding the necessary features then it should be able to run a CE 3.4 game though obviously reduced.
Since you also want a Power Stone-style Nintendo x Capcom, you're good with me.
*kicks guit in the ankle*
The same thing will apply with CE 3.4 in that it depends on if Nintendo made the necessary tweaks. If the tweaks included adding the necessary features then it should be able to run a CE 3.4 game though obviously reduced.
NoE >>> NoA
Since you also want a Power Stone-style Nintendo x Capcom, you're good with me.
*kicks guit in the ankle*
jump_button
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nice lighting :/ but meh for me hope it look better running, really boring demo as well -_- try and come up with something better may had help
You don't see the ninjas. The ninjas see you.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Do you surmise that the believed fixed function lighting in wii u could be incompatible with UE4? Since UE4 has it's own heavily dynamic lighting routines?
jump_button
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Big N have they own right? why so would they? Sony and MS own they 1st party's Big N is the 1st party
Was anyone of importance at GDC for Nintendo?
One would hope so, given that they're launching a new console this year.
bgassassin
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Once I felt pretty confident about the GPU having this, the UE engine was my biggest concern because I know how Epic hates it. This is probably a major part of why Nintendo was tweaking for so long.
Father_Brain
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I really, really wish someone would just flat-out ask Rein or Sweeney where (whether) Wii U fits in to the UE3/4 plans for next-gen, but I suspect that most of the journalists who have had the opportunity are already under the assumption that Wii U is nothing more than a current-gen console and that it's a foregone conclusion that UE4 won't run on it. Though it shouldn't be, since the GPU should have a 2011/2012 feature set.
jump_button
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Hey hey guys next gen going to be about gameplay we all know who going to run that race
Shows that if you repeat something enough times people will accept it to be true.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Eh, I don't think it's as simple as that. Retro's history is turbulent, and everything they've worked on detracts time and talent away from other projects. DKCR was a consequence of not being able to see through other prototypes, which was a consequence of important, high ranking staff leaving the company. Whatever Retro was working on after DKCR, Nintendo specifically prioritised at least some bulk of staff to work on Mario Kart 7 in order to get that out quickly.
For what it's worth, I do expect Retro's game to be shown. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a trailer.
From what I know, at this point in time nobody other than Epic knows where UE4 fits into the Wii U plan, and quite frankly, they're probably not thinking about it. As an engine, it is being designed for stronger hardware. This is the priority. As it is still in an unfinished state, any plans for a Wii U iteration will come later. If they feel the engine can be tailored to the Wii U hardware, they will scale it down and optimise where appropriate. If they don't feel it is worth it, or isn't possible, they wont bother. Either way, this decision will made after the engine is finished and pushed through in the state Epic intends, for the target platforms.
UE3 is fully adopting the Wii U.
This is what I've been thinking all along. I don't know why so many people act like they were expecting Wii U to be a major consideration for Epic in UE4 development.
walking fiend
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I am pretty certain neither PS4 nor Nextbox are known to support UE4 at it's current form:
What I guess, is that obviously Nintendo is not going to go all out, so they are trying Sony and Microsoft so at least one may want to go all out.
And if at least one doesn't, I guess the chances of us seeing UE4 somehow landing on the remaining two will be quite high; and even if it doesn't, it will not gain much place among developers anyway
Disorientator
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bgassassin
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Now this is akin to something I have envisioned. Glad to at least see it's possible. Thanks for posting this.
StreetsAhead
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That's ridiculous. Epic making its flagship engine one that doesn't run on any of the next-gen consoles would be financial suicide.
The UE4 GDC demo ran on a single GTX 680. I'm sure it will run well on PS4/Xbox
Great find. That's really cool. I've been hoping for Wii U games with the pointer as the main control input and a propped up Upad as an additional game window you can interact with. Let's hope a clever game design based on this concept reaches the market.Not sure I've seen this in any patents before - please correct me if I'm wrong. (source)
Seems to demonstrate the 'drag-from-TV-to-Upad" feature of the WiiU.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Pretty much. It also means we won't get answers any time soon, because the answers don't exist. People can rant and rave that Epic should clarify, but it's not in their interests to focus on a Wii U version yet.
Father_Brain
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I wouldn't expect a straight yes/no answer; it just seems like a question someone should have asked by now.
I'm not wholly convinced myself that Epic doesn't already know the answer, though. They should have an idea by now what the engine's minimum requirements are and whether the final Wii U GPU meets them, since UE4 Wii U support would be in both companies' best interests and I'm sure that they've had a number of conversations about it.
Hero of Legend
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Sadly I won't have the day off on June 5th.
So does anyone have a list of websites that will livestream Nintendo's conference? I'll be watching at School so YouTube is the best option. Or I'll bring my laptop and try to hook up with their Internet, hopefully there won't be any stupid blocks. :/
So does anyone have a list of websites that will livestream Nintendo's conference? I'll be watching at School so YouTube is the best option. Or I'll bring my laptop and try to hook up with their Internet, hopefully there won't be any stupid blocks. :/
Okay, you were right, Wii U is getting it. Happy?
Or should I say Wii U isn't getting it yet because it's not a primary platform? If it doesn't get it when iOS gets it, then that'll prove that it can't run it. And, funny enough, Apple isn't there either!
Cosmonaut X
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Should be doable if the Wii U comes with a sensor bar - shouldn't it just be a case of whatever is running recognising that something has been dragged offscreen - losing the signal from the TV sensor bar - then looking for a pickup signal to tell it that the Remote is pointing at the padlet? A pair of LEDs on the bar at the top of the pad would be enough, I'd think.
The reality of UE4 is that it will be ported to Wii U, iPad and iPhone... otherwise developers will largely ignore it, and as much as epic wants UE4 to be impressive and feature a large jump, they also have to support midrange graphic cards like the HD7770 on this engine, or PC developers won't use it either... I am sure that laptops take up a very large portion of that demographic and frankly mobile GPUs are fairly far behind their desktop counterparts, HD7900m is based on HD7800 only down clocked, and considering how those will only be in the most powerful laptops coming out this year.
The market will be far to small for UE4 to just exist on Xbox3 and PS4 in 2014. /Rant
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
They might have a vague idea, but it will be just that: vague. Really, really vague. Like, the Wii U build will be a total afterthought, and in the grand scheme of things irrelevant. In fact, based on the high end focus of UE4, I wouldn't be surprised if they answered "no" if they had to give an answer, just because it's not on the cards at this point in time.
So yeah, I just don't think it's worth pressing right now, because I don't think Epic will ever give a satisfying, concrete answer, or have really dedicated much thought to it themselves. Theory, sure, but no actual plans. Not while they're still trying to finish the engine.
Father_Brain
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As I posted earlier in the thread (maybe the last thread), if UE4 actually doesn't run on Wii U and Wii U does extremely well in the core market in its first 12-18 months, that would be a significant disincentive for developers to use any engine that won't run on Wii U. Which would basically make Nintendo and Epic enemies.
I wouldn't bet on things actually playing out that way, but it's not wholly outside the realm of possibility and it's at least fun to speculate about.
I wouldn't bet on things actually playing out that way, but it's not wholly outside the realm of possibility and it's at least fun to speculate about.
bgassassin
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The PC-side is an understood though.
Apple obviously aren't a major target for now, either. It's an engine designed for very high end hardware.
It's a given IMHO, I don't believe they can rely on people previously owning a Wii or something like that...
That's exactly what I expect.
Yet they've already hinted at mobile support within six months of UE4 completion...
If this is true then that is a very very bad business decision.
You have UE3 for those devices. UE3 for iphone/ipad is not exactly the same as UE3 for pc/x360/ps3/vita, you understand that, right?
Besides, kepler is now expensive, it won't be in the next months when UE4 is suppose to ship.
Bluemercury
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So anything new on the Wii U features?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Disorientator
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Same here man.
Heh
Devs have so many inputs/sensors to play-around-with on this thing, it's crazy!
Add to that the dual-screen setup and the possibilities are mind-boggling
That's my point. It'll come later, but not 5 years later. (Five years is about how long it'll take for mobiles to catch up to the current targets.)
But to be fair, I'll say that there's probably only about a 10% chance of Wii U getting it, and only if it's very successful. Sadly, I will still have to consider Wii U current gen if it can't get it.
Cosmonaut X
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I think so. It's basically the (bulk, discounted) cost of a handful of LEDs, plastic casing and and a bit of wiring - even assuming a minor redesign, there's nothing (short of making it wireless) that will bump up the cost of this to Nintendo beyond whatever insignificant amount it is now.
Yup. It makes too much sense - esp. with this patent illustration - for the pad not to act as a mini TV for the Remote. Nintendo love their parlour tricks, and being able to drag and drop something from one screen to another is one they wouldn't pass up. Practical, gameplay use? I can think of some, but I suspect it will be limited but still a neat little feature.
What I am saying is that developers won't ignore a market they could otherwise easily port to, it in large part matters how well Wii U games sell, but because closed box hardware out performs PCs, the Wii U should be just as capable as something like the HD7770 even if it's only half as powerful... sort of like how you can't get an HD1800xtx to run current 360 games.
If Epic chooses to ignore Wii U, and it has lets say 30% of the market, most developers will just use UE3, or even worse for epic, Crytek 3.4 since that does run on Wii U.
Epic probably figure that there's money to be made in being the only choice in the AAA console sphere, even if it's contracting.
If they're smart, they'll release an updated UE3 with some of the real time viewing features that are being added to UE4 (and are already present in competitors like like Cry Engine 3 and Unity) and market it to developers for the mobile space and Wii U.
Holy crap. BurntPork taking an extremely pessimistic view of something about Nintendo based off extremely premature information.
What will happen next!
really?
Shadow Hog
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Naw, man, I just whipped that out last night. It's relatively fresh, in terms of age.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
If the wuc is propped up in the same location as the TV than wouldn't the wiimote camera get confused by the two sensor bars?
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