I'm convinced Trump goes blank all the time, and his peculiar way of talking is just his way of trying to remember wtf he's suppose to say.
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Trump: Lester Holt Shouldn't Fact Check Monday's Debate
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I'm convinced Trump goes blank all the time, and his peculiar way of talking is just his way of trying to remember wtf he's suppose to say.
SchrodingerC
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Can you imagine this idiot on the world stage? It would be like watching a pissy little kid taking his ball, or in his case a Trump jet, and going home.
C'mon Clinton, debating this fool down will be easy.
C'mon Clinton, debating this fool down will be easy.
hunchback
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There is something about Biden. I just love watching him debate or give speeches. He does this awww shucks malarkey, scorched earth thing.
Megadragon15
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The debate moderator should absolutely fact check a liar like Clinton. I'm okay with them treating Trump with kid gloves since he is a political newbie.
Only the people who already support him would still be supporting him. Maybe even less.
No way would he get any currently undecideds after calling her something like that. He'd fall hard and fast.
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thecouncil
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The Biden / Ryan debate was truly the most entertaining debate I've ever watched. I'll never forget it.
I think this is the beginning of bowing out of the other two. He's already said he doesn't think Anderson Cooper should be at the third debate because of how he "behaves" (read into that what you will), and he sure doesn't sound interested in being called out now during the first.
Plus it's Trump. There's four days still, he's not on the stage yet.
Plus it's Trump. There's four days still, he's not on the stage yet.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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His stupidity is already so obvious in everything he says though. I just don't see how there's anything else to reveal about him.
There is an issue here that who the moderator is may affect the fact-checking. If Chris Wallace only fact checks Hillary, and it's on things that are basically true, that's a problem. Breaking ties (like Crowley did) on points of fact is fine, but everybody has inherent biases and there's little to no way it would be even.
People go on about how he won the Primary debates with bravado and yelling over people, but people seem to forget how much of the debates he didn't engage in. Like the one where the other candidates (and the Fox moderators) were very hostile to him and the first half of the debate was just them taking shots at him, the whole second half of the debate, he was very quiet and most of it was Cruz talking about other stuff unrelated to Trump. That was the only Primary debate where he was really on the defensive and he just shut down and melted into the background.
That obviously can't happen here, because it's not going to be 4-6 people on stage, it's going to be one-on-one, him staying quiet and out of the arguments if he's looking bad or just has nothing to say isn't an option. Any time he's not talking, is her talking. Him staying quiet to save face is pretty much just giving her an open platform to a third of the country to talk about her own campaign, and she'll be pressing him on answers he most likely doesn't have, anyway.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I expect Trump to have at least one "Aleppo" moment.
Coriolanus
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Obviously, but then, if a moderator is sufficiently biased, he'll make that bias come through with or without fact checks. As has already happened in this very cycle.
Trump will have answers. The BEST answers. You're going to be tired of how many terrific answers he has. He'll remind us of how we have to be very, very careful with issues A, B, C, D, E and F with no further insights, and how issues G-M (things supported by him at one time, but also supported by Democrats now) were just terrible.
RustyNails
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No need to fact check on every little thing. But when Trump says his tax plan is debt neutral, he should absolutely be called out by the moderator. His tax plan adds $5.3t to total national debt. Or when he says he was against Iraq war. Or that he can fly. Come on, some things are 100% wrong with zero room for dispute.
He's not smart enough to pull that con.
It's not that obvious. He's very good at saying very little for minutes at a time and creating the illusion of substance. Folks that aren't buffaloed by that see through it pretty easily, but plenty don't.
Pai Pai Master
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Uhhhh what is an "Aleppo moment?"
captmcblack
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Moderator should break ties. The truth's the truth, and if someone's presenting it accurately while the other person's trying to obfuscate it, the moderator should step in and shut it down.
Rentahamster
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google gary johnson aleppo
Dubbedinenglish
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Trump will have so many leppos, the best leppos, the most luxurious leppos.
You remove the word "moment" from that post and you basically have it.
Edit: Clever.
Pai Pai Master
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Lol sorry just made a dumb joke, I'd fully expect Trump to not even be aware of what happened to Johnson just recently, and do something very similar
Icefire1424
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Trumps PR guy:
"Just remember Donald. There's the truth, and the truth."
"Just remember Donald. There's the truth, and the truth."
Omegasquash
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He doesn't want fact checking because he wants to be a loud bully, with shitty comebacks that sound like "gotcha" and get away with it.
I hope he has diarrhea the night of the debate.
I hope he has diarrhea the night of the debate.
There is no chance of that happening. What made the "Aleppo" moment a big deal was Johnson admitting that he didn't know what it was. Trump would never, ever make the mistake of admitting he didn't know something. He'll just bullshit and ramble like he always does.
and they should be fucking embarrassed about that because it is incredibly foolish but then again the tea party left is just as batshit as the tea party right.
Yep. He'll do his "excuse me" routine and then say that he's trying to "make America great again," hoping for the audience to cheer so he can move on.
We saw this happen on the nuclear triad question early in the primaries.
Gordon Shumway
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May he keel over from a coughing fit..
It's either that or each person calling the other a liar and asking people to google the truth as the moderator moves on :/
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
If the debate OT isn't "Holt And (Someone's Pants) Catch Fire" I'll be very disappointed.
Trump has been trying to make up any excuse why the debate isn't going to go his way for weeks. I definitely think he'll be graded on a different scale than Clinton, but honestly I don't know how much that will matter. He doesn't have a good amount of policy knowledge and all the debate prep in the world isn't going to make that come out off the top of his head under pressure. He never had an amazing performance at the other debates, he was just shielded by the fact that the field was so crowded.
Trump has been trying to make up any excuse why the debate isn't going to go his way for weeks. I definitely think he'll be graded on a different scale than Clinton, but honestly I don't know how much that will matter. He doesn't have a good amount of policy knowledge and all the debate prep in the world isn't going to make that come out off the top of his head under pressure. He never had an amazing performance at the other debates, he was just shielded by the fact that the field was so crowded.
I give him props for knowing how to play the shit out of racist morons.
The man has turned the idea of "facts" or general knowledge into some liberal communist socialist sharislamist agenda.
This will be supported by his base.
As I said before though. He's going to walk all over clinton. This isn't going to be a debate, it's going to be tv entertainment. Trump doesn't need to do anything besides what he's always done. Loud things and subterfuge.
Folks thinking this is going to be any form of a civil event are forgetting that he isn't a politician and doesn't pretend to be. His base loves him for it.
The man has turned the idea of "facts" or general knowledge into some liberal communist socialist sharislamist agenda.
This will be supported by his base.
As I said before though. He's going to walk all over clinton. This isn't going to be a debate, it's going to be tv entertainment. Trump doesn't need to do anything besides what he's always done. Loud things and subterfuge.
Folks thinking this is going to be any form of a civil event are forgetting that he isn't a politician and doesn't pretend to be. His base loves him for it.
Randolph Freelander
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Trump: "I should be able to lie with impunity, non-stop, unchecked, just like I do with you guys on Fox."
TheLaughingStock
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Hillary is like Peyton Manning. A great political talent that knows how to bend truth but it's time to hang up the cleats. Trump is like a seasoned sophist playing the game beyond his years.
Well, the reports a couple of weeks back were that he was being difficult in debate prep, wouldn't do mock debates and during one meeting was more interested in having hot dogs than paying attention. Who knows if it's still that way or not, but he's doing plenty of rallies still, and Kellyanne, his campaign manager, looks exhausted as hell.
Hot Coldman
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Trump's next statement about Holt is going to be "just fuck me up, fam" at this rate
Tranqueris
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Donald Trump, the brave and courageous leader this country needs. I would not be surprised if he pulled out of the debate at the last second what with all these excuses.
I didn't know Dana Bash was on GAF.
I didn't know Dana Bash was on GAF.
DragonSworne
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Trump doesn't want a third party being unbiased so he can continue to use the public's perception of Hillary being untruthful to his advantage when he lies. Why should they believe Hillary when she says Trump is lying?
If the moderators actually let Trump get away with this then they have failed this country. They need call out when Trump lies.
If the moderators actually let Trump get away with this then they have failed this country. They need call out when Trump lies.
He's setting up his excuses. If they correct him, liberal media bias. If they don't correct him and Hillary tries to, she's lying. He thinks he's safe no matter what.
RustyNails
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I disagree. Trump failed hardcore even in that fluff Lauer interview. Hillary is not a GOP cardboard stand in like Jeb, Marco or Cruz. She is going to be the most debated person ever to run for office (with over 40 debates in her resume). We saw hints of her tenacity against Bernie resulting in those bernie finger wags and she never fully unloaded on him because she needed his coalition.
She is not trapped with Trump on that stage. Trump is trapped with her.
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