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webm |OT| Welcome to the world of superior gifs
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...really? It's so far superior in quality in every possible aspect. I just...Are you looking at the same thing I'm looking at?
It's so vastly improved...just...what are you looking at?
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Tried encoding a webm with VP9 instead of VP8, does it work for anyone?
http://a.pomf.se/jqvguz.webm
http://a.pomf.se/jqvguz.webm
I understand how you feel about my preference, but I just don't like more compression artifacts added on top of existing compression artifacts.
AquaMotley
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This intro was on all anime vhs tapes released by manga entertainment back in the 90s in (most of?) Europe.
Not for me.
60fps MP4 (H.264) with no sound. Anyone want to try it out on their tablets/phones? Chrome plays it in a new tab but IE tries to open Windows Media Player.
http://a.pomf.se/nyxkxe.mp4
Created this with VidCoder. Really easy to use.
http://a.pomf.se/nyxkxe.mp4
Created this with VidCoder. Really easy to use.
AquaMotley
Banned
Doesn't work here as well. (Chrome+Webm for Neogaf )
jediyoshi
Member
I'm not seeing the distinction here, what is it about GIFs you like? You realize webm files exist outside of ones converted from GIFs, right?
Plays smooth as silk in beta Firefox with webm gaf addon.
Panda In Space
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I can see the webm (referee shooting with a gun).
I think people need to install the VP9 codec to see it.
Why is everyone looking forward to GAF on E3? It's not like we can use it during E3. Last year it was down for pretty much the entire day wasn't it?
http://www.webmproject.org/ie/ not lacking at all
Turn auto play off and it works fine, even on my shitty work cpu.
Hopefully someone will release something for Safari. Maybe in Cydia for iOs.
Image quality has always been the most important thing for me. Making a GIF does not require the use of video codecs and re-encoding, like WebM does. Re-encoding adds compression artifacts. With GIFs, you can just extract an image sequence out of a video to BMPs and make a GIF out of that. So, with GIFs, there's no loss in quality other than the low amount of colors you can use.
While GIF is good, it surely is not what an animated image format can be, these days. What I want is an animated image format like GIF but with full color palette (and better transparency support). GIF is old and lacking in features for high-quality, so it needs to die already. Animated PNG's quality is the best out there but file sizes are enormous. WebP or animated JPG or a smarter APNG format seems to be the way to go?
Webm is a replacement for embedded flash and mp4 videos, not GIFs. It's a video codec after all, not an image format. That's why you need to turn off autoplay in this thread - otherwise, it's like playing several embedded YouTube videos at the same time.
For a similarly capable image format that doesn't tax the CPU so much, webp (from the webm people) is one possible alternative - although that has a while to go in terms of gaining support.
Can anyone let me know if this is working?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56311839/Amazing Spider-Man.webm
I'm trying to use Dropbox, but for some reason it destroyed the quality of the clip I was using. It's in HD when I play the original webm file in VLC.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56311839/Amazing Spider-Man.webm
I'm trying to use Dropbox, but for some reason it destroyed the quality of the clip I was using. It's in HD when I play the original webm file in VLC.
SolidusDave
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Works fine for me in FF + greasemonkey script.
edit: but in general my FF sometimes crashes in this thread with the script enabled (no auto-play).
We can even directly embed *.mp4 with H.264/AAC codec, right?
Would embed VP9/H.264 profit from the hardware acceleration?
I noticed the H264 source videos are actually even a bit smaller than the VP8 webm (with sound).
SolidusDave
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test:
H.264 *.mp4, no re-encoding of the source file:
http://a.pomf.se/lnyxdu.mp4
2.52 MB
reencoded VP8 *.webm:
http://a.pomf.se/qzvdyg.webm
3.46 MB
But I guess less people can see the first one
I can't really say if there's a difference in performance (first should be less taxing on the CPU?)
H.264 *.mp4, no re-encoding of the source file:
http://a.pomf.se/lnyxdu.mp4
2.52 MB
reencoded VP8 *.webm:
http://a.pomf.se/qzvdyg.webm
3.46 MB
But I guess less people can see the first one
I can't really say if there's a difference in performance (first should be less taxing on the CPU?)
It works in Chrome but it looks low res.
who the fuck cares if it's technically a video? It's looped, embedded and looks great. I don't care it's not a real replacement. It' just better.
Lossless VP9 or H264 should be around the same size as a GIF. But completely lossless is a bit silly, because you can create a lossy video that's indistinguishable at 1/2 the size, and another that's almost indistinguishable at a 1/4 of the size. It's only once you start getting to 1/8-1/16 of the GIF size that artifacts start to become visible.
H264 is significantly more efficient than VP8. It's slightly better than VP9, even:
H265 destroys both H264 and VP9 though
That's the whole problem with VP9. How could you possibly convince manufacturers to adopt it when it's inferior to the existing standard, and doesn't hold a candle to the next standard?
And because H264/H265 is an international, collaborative effort, it is literally Google vs. everyone else.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Looks HD for me.
Trickster
Member
Well, E3 isn't 1 day, it's 3. And it was only really down/slow during the big press conferences.
Works lovely on my iPad 4th Gen. Opened it in a new tab in Safari.
AquaMotley
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Dropbox download seems slow to me. It works though and its in (full) HD, but the bitrate is way too low, resulting in horrible quality. Better to reduce it to 960x540 (or lower) with a better bitrate. 1080p is really overkill for forums.
Settle down there, sport.
Erebus
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http://a.pomf.se/wsfzun.webm
My first attempt at this. Beware of the spoilers if you haven't watched the GoT Season 4 premiere yet.
My first attempt at this. Beware of the spoilers if you haven't watched the GoT Season 4 premiere yet.
ScepticMatt
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IIRC this test used some wrong settings for VP9, all intra setting or something. Reading on Doom9, VP9s main efficieny disadvantage are less prediction angles (due to patents).H265 destroys both H264 and VP9 though
Edit: Found it:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=165839&page=21
Phoenix
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H265 destroys both H264 and VP9 though
That's the whole problem with VP9. How could you possibly convince manufacturers to adopt it when it's inferior to the existing standard, and doesn't hold a candle to the next standard?
And because H264/H265 is an international, collaborative effort, it is literally Google vs. everyone else.
The issue is one of getting away from the patent/royalty encumbrance that comes with H.26x. As consumers its not a big deal for us, but for content creators/publishers/broadcasters it can be a huge thing for them.
CadetMahoney
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Amazing. It's small clips like this that will benefit most. Youtube will have a lot to worry about if this becomes the norm:
Sound.
Cicumvent youtube ads.
No need to open new tabs.
Forumers will get their point across to ppl much more efficiently.
Higher "view rates" as ppl can access the point being made with less hassle.
60fps.
Custom video resolution.
Content more easily controllable from content providers (60fps viral trailers for example).
Downsides:
copyright holders might get seriously pissed and take "action". Dey be like. . .
Amazing. dat 60fps. So much better than an enormous gif equivalent.
In that case, I guess we'll have to see. If VP9 can get fairly close to H265 it'd be neat to see it widespread.
Not as much as you'd think. For H.265 at least it's something like 20c per device sold capable of encoding/decoding H.265. There are no fees for content, broadcasting, etc.
my first try:
http://a.pomf.se/qtivpj.webm
Definitely prefer these to gifs. I have always had shitty buffering with gifs, but these are loading just fine.
http://a.pomf.se/qtivpj.webm
Definitely prefer these to gifs. I have always had shitty buffering with gifs, but these are loading just fine.
great argument
Made a couple of bookmarklets that will convert all the .MP4 links on the page into videos.
Autoplay and no controls:
javascriptfunction() {var links = document.getElementsByTagName("a"); for (var i = 0; i < links.length; ++i) { var item = links; var extension = ""; var a = item.href.split(".");if( a.length === 1 || ( a[0] === "" && a.length === 2 ) ) {extension = "";}else { extension = a.pop(); }if (extension=="mp4") {var video = document.createElement("video");video.src = item.href;video.muted = true;video.loop = true;video.autoplay = true;video.preload = "metadata";video.controls = false;item.parentNode.replaceChild(video, item);}}})();
No autoplay and with controls:
javascriptfunction() {var links = document.getElementsByTagName("a"); for (var i = 0; i < links.length; ++i) { var item = links; var extension = ""; var a = item.href.split(".");if( a.length === 1 || ( a[0] === "" && a.length === 2 ) ) {extension = "";}else { extension = a.pop(); }if (extension=="mp4") {var video = document.createElement("video");video.src = item.href;video.muted = true;video.loop = true;video.autoplay = false;video.preload = "metadata";video.controls = true;item.parentNode.replaceChild(video, item);}}})();
Both loop and mute the audio by default.
edit: Working fine on the Surface, Chrome, and desktop IE. Also works on iPhone 5 but doesn't AutoPlay obviously.
edit2: Stress test:
http://a.pomf.se/nyxkxe.mp4
http://a.pomf.se/lootci.mp4
http://zippy.gfycat.com/VictoriousSimilarCanadagoose.mp4
http://fat.gfycat.com/DecisiveSleepyCoral.mp4
http://zippy.gfycat.com/FlusteredSoulfulBee.mp4
http://fat.gfycat.com/RelievedAcademicBasil.mp4
Autoplay and no controls:
javascript
function() {var links = document.getElementsByTagName("a"); for (var i = 0; i < links.length; ++i) { var item = links; var extension = ""; var a = item.href.split(".");if( a.length === 1 || ( a[0] === "" && a.length === 2 ) ) {extension = "";}else { extension = a.pop(); }if (extension=="mp4") {var video = document.createElement("video");video.src = item.href;video.muted = true;video.loop = true;video.autoplay = true;video.preload = "metadata";video.controls = false;item.parentNode.replaceChild(video, item);}}})();No autoplay and with controls:
javascript
function() {var links = document.getElementsByTagName("a"); for (var i = 0; i < links.length; ++i) { var item = links; var extension = ""; var a = item.href.split(".");if( a.length === 1 || ( a[0] === "" && a.length === 2 ) ) {extension = "";}else { extension = a.pop(); }if (extension=="mp4") {var video = document.createElement("video");video.src = item.href;video.muted = true;video.loop = true;video.autoplay = false;video.preload = "metadata";video.controls = true;item.parentNode.replaceChild(video, item);}}})();Both loop and mute the audio by default.
edit: Working fine on the Surface, Chrome, and desktop IE. Also works on iPhone 5 but doesn't AutoPlay obviously.
edit2: Stress test:
http://a.pomf.se/nyxkxe.mp4
http://a.pomf.se/lootci.mp4
http://zippy.gfycat.com/VictoriousSimilarCanadagoose.mp4
http://fat.gfycat.com/DecisiveSleepyCoral.mp4
http://zippy.gfycat.com/FlusteredSoulfulBee.mp4
http://fat.gfycat.com/RelievedAcademicBasil.mp4
OldAsUrSock
Banned
Awesome, moar moar MOAR
Mmmm, Venus Wars.
CadetMahoney
Member
I remember this.
If ppl over at AMV.org where to review this they'd be like
"Looks like a 12 year old, beginners amv shat out of windows movie maker using stolen youtube clips of bad anime".
At no point in this thread was I arguing or having a debate. I'm not trying to attack webm or whatever. I'm perfectly fine with it.
AquaMotley
Banned
I remember this.
If ppl over at AMV.org where to review this they'd be like
"Looks like a 12 year old, beginners amv shat out of windows movie maker using stolen youtube clips of bad anime".
When you have as shitty a website as they do over at animemusicvideos.org you have no right to complain about a 22 year old clip
R10Neymarfan
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ThatObviousUser
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Is that Captain Power?
jediyoshi
Member
Can you define exactly what "compression" means to you? I'm not reading anything other than an arbitrary, semantic distinction that doesn't logically follow. If you're taking any 'thing' as a source and ultimately end up with a GIF, a single frame is an objectively worse IQ than if it were done in webm, save for a situation in which maybe that frame already only had 256 colours.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Doesn't work on mobile or tablets. Pretty useless.
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