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XB1X 4K standard includes checkerboard and dynamic
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Better framerates, faster loading, better AF, higher quality textures, better AA, higher "graphics settings", etc.
Pretty simple question to answer.
Everything will be up to the developers to hit their targets anyway.
Tripolygon
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Apologies, i thought you were talking about Pro.
i actually very much agree with this. Unlike checkerboarding, dynamic 2160p simply means that instead of 'slowdowns' we get 'resdowns' ... Usually these happen in very busy moments within the game, with plenty of shit happening on the screen. Which is pretty much exactly the time where we'd notice a lower rendering resolution the least.
So a game that runs at dynamic 2160p most of the time - to me - is still very close to a native 2160p. - it's even preferrable if a compareable native 4k game didn't have a firmly locked frame rate.
UpDownLeftRight
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To be fair at launch the 360 only supported ypbpr? But 720p, maybe 1080 interlaced? The ps3 launched with HDMI so could do 1080p off the bat so he's not wrong essentially. The 360 was technically under the marketing bracket of HD ready.
"These are the highest-quality Ks"
Yeah, I have to agree with this. Friends and I got a bit spun by all the True 4K PR the last few days and didn't know for sure if there were dynamic/checkboard techniques in play or if it was all truly native 4K from here on for new X1 titles on the X1X.
This is absolutely warranted clarification - so thanks OP. Can't believe people screaming that this thread/news is 'console warrior BS'. Come on guys. It's just clarifying things for people during a typically confusing time of year in this industry where conflicting info is often tossed around.
Savantcore
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How has this turned into a console war and specs battle...
This is the point of the thread:
This is the point of the thread:
MosquitoSmasher
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Hmmmm i see.
Guess having such a game at native 4K was too good to be true but if we are to believe DF the difference between Checkerboard 4k and Native is incredibly hard to tell. So with that in mind it's nothing but a good thing MS isn't mandating anything on developers. Would have been pretty damn shitty if they did too.
So i bet this means C4K for Anthem as well. Did we have any Native 4K games during the Xbox show?
Yeah my bad. Looking back on it it was a pretty obvious thing, haha.
But in the end it's only a good thing, if the difference between C4K and Native is that small, go for it and spend all that other power on things that really matter as well.
Tripolygon
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It is really that Simple, made obvious by Phil Spencer saying PS4 Pro is competing with Xbox One S.
Musky_Cheese
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True 4k isn't 4k native. So Pro is true 4k?
Phil said all 1st party would be native 4k but freedom for 3rd party. Freedom is good
Phil said all 1st party would be native 4k but freedom for 3rd party. Freedom is good
StarBlazers1
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Sorry guys but the resolution hasn't been finalized yet. Spoke to a designer last night and the engine is dynamic. Doesn't mean that X1X won't be native. They are going to do everything they can to be native 4k.
RedlineRonin
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Idk what post you're referring to.
At the end of the day, if no one is doing "true 4K" on the majority of titles (and on top of that, per DF, it's almost imperceptible when you get close with checkerboarding), what are people spending their money on? different flavors of "not really 4K" that look very similar?
Seems like a bad marketing move.
I don't know if that's true one way or the other (not sure if you have an article somewhere that says "no other consoles can use this technique), I'm guessing the results are very similar.
And I'm not pretending to know whether they are or aren't, i'm merely illustrating that we are soooo far past splitting hairs on these techniques that, again, if MS' go to line is gonna continue to be "True 4K" when there is minimal perceptible difference, then they're in trouble.
Herp Derpington
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No need to justify it. It's the same corporate double speak. Both companies have done it.
BTW, the 360 was just as much an HD console as the PS3. There was no technically anything. You can also send 1080p over component video. Nothing is stopping it aside from the tvs not supporting it because of worries over copy protection. Aside from a single cable solution why do you think HDMI was invented?
richard_wiggler
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Which hopefully means better support for both X1X and Pro, AND better assets for PC!
Everyone wins!?!?
HighResTomato
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MS always said it depends on the developer. I don't agree with a lot they are doing right now.
But this thread is RT reporting embarassing.
But this thread is RT reporting embarassing.
Risk Breaker
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Just like that screen grab from a youtube video comparing PS4P and PC. Your point?
GHG
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This thread isn't about developers or what they are/aren't allowed to do.
It's about Microsoft's marketing methodologies and understanding what "4K" really means whenever you see it on their marketing going forwards.
HighResTomato
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If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Pretty much are for the most part.
Basically, this. But it doesn't really matter, does it?
The PS4 Pro has its own hardware to let Sony's implementation of checkerboard rendering happen.
It's more likely that a multi platform developer would go for a singular resolution solution that was built in from the start, rather than having signficantly different implementations across 5+ pieces of hardware.
With all the variants they are going to want their solutions to be as scaleable as possible.
If "True 4K" is the ability to run games in native 4K. The MS and Phil are lying about being the only native 4K capable console
In the context of this thread yes...since this is what the discussion is about
From their own site:
https://news.xbox.com/2017/06/11/new-packaging-icons-xbox/
Despite their claims about "true 4K" and thus not competing with the pro, they're using the same techniques.
The Assassin's Creed Origins director confirms here that the game will be dynamic 4k on XB1X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtllzLCt1WY
Edit: there seems to be some confusion. Yes, this is old news for some but clearly new to others going by posts in this thread. Also, this thread is a reaction to Spencer's comments from recent interviews, as explained here:
For the record, I don't think there's anything wrong with checkerboarding or even dynamic 4K. I think they're fine techniques. I also think a "native 4k mandate for all games" would be a bad idea anyway.
Good. Obviously different games are going to put different amount of strains on the GPU. If anyone thought the xbox1 would run any game on any settings at native 4K they weren't thinking logically. That physically doesn't make any sense. No matter how powerful a system is, someone can make a game to push it limits.
Having checkerboard and dynamic solutions in the API is the way to go. Hopefully devs allow users to choose some of those other solutions in exchange for higher settings. That's what I would do as a guy with a 1080p tv.
You can do 1080p over component.
GHG
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Based on the information in the OP, Phil Spencer has already come out with some deceptive statements in the last couple of days, that's been covered in this thread already.
For the bolded: Yes, most companies do it these days, but why is it not worth highlighting so that we can understand what these things really mean as consumers?
Or is it better to be ignorant and live in a world where marketing and the media can shape perceptions under false pretences?
FusedAtoms
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Funny enough this reads as the most fanboy shit in this thread 😂
cartoon_soldier
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Pretty sure even Sony says you can do native 4K on PS4 pro.
I think the 360 still didn't actually support 1080p until later
Resident_UA
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Sure, some random anonymous online post is more embarrassing as giving an interview to a media outlet. You really showed us!
How will I sleep tonight?You can...but did they say they have the only console capable of doing it in the last 24 hours?
RedlineRonin
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100% agree.
I guess the jury will be out on how homogeneous the results are until we see actual One X titles running side by side with pro. My guess though, is they're likely to be more similar than less.
E: And for the record, I'm simply far more fascinated with the business side of how they decided to position One X. It just seems to be going for a far too narrow slice of the market.
To the point made earlier, this would be different if the games situation was different, but it isn't, unfortunately...
PuppetMaster
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Shocking news!
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joe_zazen
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I guess it's a case of some caring more about the image of corporation than informing fellow gamers.
Personally, I love when pr guys get caught lying.
Luckydog
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No matter how you try to spin it, this thread is nothing of the sort. The OP is a BS "GOTCHA" moment where one doesn't exist. No amount of you "keeping it real" in yet another Xbox thread derails the point that MS never said every game would be true 4K. MS is targeting true 4K, the box is built to handle 4K visuals, not just barely touch them like the pro, and that the devs will always have the final say on what they want to do.
Beer Monkey
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Funny story. My (Sony) HDTV at the time of PS3 launch could only play (most) PS3 games in 480p because the PS3 didn't have a scaler that could turn 720p to 1080i like the 360 did. Most early HDTVs could only accept 480i, 480p, and 1080i.
FWIW the broadcast industry defined HD as 720p and 1080i and then later 1080p. Sony was trying to rewrite reality and claim that only a system with 1080p output should be considered HD. Then said system was often running 600p games. It was laughworthy.
dragonelite
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Huh so we know Microsoft will not mandate publisher to push native 4k.
So why is Microsoft in the bad, if Ubisoft chooses dynamic resolution?
If Halo 6 is dynamic 4k i would rage.
So why is Microsoft in the bad, if Ubisoft chooses dynamic resolution?
If Halo 6 is dynamic 4k i would rage.
If you take the OP that way you might have a victim complex. The OP was nothing but informative, down to the incredibly neutral title (which could have easily been "XB1X 4K games won't actually be 4K" or some other equally inflammatory title if the that was the OP's intent).
Tripolygon
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