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[OmegaSmash]

.... wha?



You do realize that having everything unlocked from the get go in a fighting game is not the norm. Correct?

Ultimate Marvel 3 did it, I believe SSF4 did it as well. Blazblue also. And doesn't Tekken 6 do the same thing? Again, you can have unlockable music, concept art, videos, whatever. But don't lock the essential element of your game if said game is multiplayer focused.

 

[OricWindstar]

Aww yeah Horizon wins by default. The best kind of win.

I'll change my avatar to that Lucina tomorrow-ish. I'm on my ipad and don't know how to resize it :/
Unless someone can help me with that.

If me doing Heath's works out, I'd be happy to do your's as well.

 

[Toxi]

maybe if you suck at Break the Targets

You have to unlock Mewtwo first.

 

[Troubled Bat]

What are the expectations tonight? I think there's going to be a new color shown off. ^^

Aww yeah Horizon wins by default. The best kind of win.

I'll change my avatar to that Lucina tomorrow-ish. I'm on my ipad and don't know how to resize it :/
Unless someone can help me with that.

SOMEBODY HELP THIS LOVELY PERSON HERE! :3

 

[theprodigy]

You have to unlock Mewtwo first.

that's one night of leaving the Gamecube on, easy

 

[Geminosity]

.... wha?



You do realize that having everything unlocked from the get go in a fighting game is not the norm. Correct?

I wasn't even talking specifically about fighting games to be honest. My response is a lot more binary than I'd like but I was just emulating what you'd typed to highlight the hidden barb in your message, intended or not (aka you don't like what I like so you have no sense of adventure.) :3

I don't mind discovery and secrets as long as they're kept to where they don't impede the multiplayer. Akuma as a secret boss in single player? Neat! Reptile as a secret boss in MK2? awesome. That's fine.

It gets kind of problematic when you hit multiplayer though. I remember when you could play an FPS, for example and just have fun, but good luck releasing a multiplayer FPS in this day and age without requiring unlocks and other extrinsic rewards (aka stuff that isn't the actual gameplay itself) because people demand it now

Coming back to fighters though, perhaps I'm a bit too old school but when I started you got all the characters. Remember SFII? The original didn't have any locked characters, they were just all there from the get-go :3

Nutshell version: I want to play multiplayer for the multiplayer. I'd rather we keep the single player rewards in the single player

 

[Distresssss]

I just beat a guy a good ratio of times as Link in Project M when I can't wavedash or anything, just using good standard play while he was using Marth/Falco like competitive players do and complained I rolled to much. Also he said I sucked before he left. Sad day.

I need to get better at Smash but I only ever want to play for fun haha.



I really can't wait to use Lucina and I hope Smash 4's online is good unlike Brawl.

 

[SenorArdilla]

You have to unlock Mewtwo first.

I could unlock Mewtwo in my sleep. In fact, I did.

EDIT:
Jigglypuff Complete Classic or Adventure Mode or play 50 vs. battles.
Dr. Mario Complete Classic or Adventure Mode with Mario without continuing or play 100 vs. battles.
Pichu Complete Event Match #37 : Legendary Pokémon, or play 200 vs. battles.
Falco Lombardi Clear 100-Man Melee or play 300 vs. battles.
Marth Play Classic Mode with all fourteen regular characters, or use them in VS. mode or play 400 vs. battles.
Young Link Complete Classic Mode with ten different characters (including Zelda and Link) or play 500 vs. battles
Ganondorf Complete Event Match #29 : Triforce Gathering, or play 600 vs. battles.
Mewtwo Play VS. mode for a combined total of twenty hours or play 700 vs. battles.
Luigi Complete Stage #1 of Adventure Mode with the time ending in a "2" in the second's slot, then beat Luigi and Peach in less than a minute or play 800 vs. battles.
Roy Complete Classic or Adventure Mode with Marth and without continuing or play 900 vs. battles.
Mr. Game & Watch Complete Adventure, Classic Mode, or Target Test with all other characters or play 1000 vs. battles.

 

[Caladrius]

Put me in for Unlockables.

No, I mean I want to be an unlockable character for Smash.

Plz Sakurai.

I can live without unlockable characters, but I do think they're more important in Smash than any other fighter, and I would prefer them to return.

As far as standard fighters go, I outgrew that shit a long time ago. Original SF4 made me realize this strongly. Unlocking certain characters like Seth was just stupid and tedious. But I love it in Smash for some reason.

Probably because Smash does a good job of having diverse single-player modes and unusual unlock conditions as opposed to most fighters, where there's just going through arcade mode or a pain in the ass story mode.

 

[Letterbomb]

If anyone likes to read rumors like I do, here's a fun one from GameFAQs. Very likely fake but it's a fun read.

 

[Jaeger]

SF stopped doing it
Tekken stopped doing it
Mahvel did it for some reason, even though mahvel 2 didn't do , but fixed it in ultimate
I am pretty sure DOA doesn't do it
I have no idea about virtual fighter.. No one plays that
Skull girls doesn't do it
Im sure KOF doesn't do that anymore

Most of Marvel 2's cast was locked. (not talking about re-releases 10 years later).

DOA did it up until 5, which is like a year or so old. Instead we get DLC one by one characters. Same for Tekken 6, and Tag 2. 1-5 and Tag 1 had hidden characters. I'd bet money Tekken 7 will have hidden fighters.
King of Fighters still does it.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Nutshell version: I want to play multiplayer for the multiplayer. I'd rather we keep the single player rewards in the single player

I'm sorry but no thanks.

 

[-Horizon-]

If me doing Heath's works out, I'd be happy to do your's as well.

I appreciate it

What are the expectations tonight? I think there's going to be a new color shown off. ^^



SOMEBODY HELP THIS LOVELY PERSON HERE! :3

:3c

 

[Papercuts]

Ultimate Marvel 3 did it, I believe SSF4 did it as well. Blazblue also. And doesn't Tekken 6 do the same thing? Again, you can have unlockable music, concept art, videos, whatever. But don't lock the essential element of your game if said game is multiplayer focused.

Blazblue actually locked a character in the latest edition, though it wasn't doing it before.

I think a game can make a nice balance. Just have a specific tournament mode that unlocks everything if they really want to have some sort of single player goal. I actually just stuck in Melee for the first time in awhile last night and was pretty deflated to see how I didn't have most stuff unlocked since I don't have a single clue where the GC memory card with it is right now.

 

[Village]

Most of Marvel 2's cast was locked. (not talking about re-releases 10 years later).

DOA did it up until 5, which is like a year or so old. Instead we get DLC one by one characters. Same for Tekken 6, and Tag 2. 1-5 and Tag 1 had hidden characters. I'd bet money Tekken 7 will have hidden fighters.
King of Fighters still does it.

i'm calling billshit on that one
Who the fuck was unlockable in those games I do not remember that shit. You mean the DLC?

 

[SmithnCo]

I just beat a guy a good ratio of times as Link in Project M when I can't wavedash or anything, just using good standard play while he was using Marth/Falco like competitive players do and complained I rolled to much. Also he said I sucked before he left. Sad day.

Sounds like you sent him to the salt mines.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

If anyone likes to read rumors like I do, here's a fun one from GameFAQs. Very likely fake but it's a fun read.

I love how he differentiates between "semi-clones" and "quasi-clones." But, finally, a "leak" that predicts a Gangplank Galleon stage!

 

[Caladrius]

DOA did it up until 5, which is like a year or so old. Instead we get DLC one by one characters. Same for Tekken 6, and Tag 2. 1-5 and Tag 1 had hidden characters. I'd bet money Tekken 7 will have hidden fighters.
King of Fighters still does it.

You forgot SoulCalibur.

 

[Choppasmith]

The goods just keep coming!

 

[ArchedThunder]

Since there are third party trophies for stuff not represented in the game I think it would be hilarious if they hid a super hard to unlock trophy of Goku in the game for shits and giggles.

 

[Jaeger]

i'm calling billshit on that one
Who the fuck was unlockable in those games I do not remember that shit. You mean the DLC?

Naw, I'm saying Tekken 6 and Tag 2 was the first two without hidden characters.

 

[Gartooth]

Anyone else here think that Lucas will make it into the game given that the Gematsu leak now isn't 100% accurate?

 

[-Horizon-]

The goods just keep coming!

And then everyone proceeds to get Falcon punched or kneed, the end.

 

[Village]

Naw, I'm saying Tekken 6 and Tag 2 was the first two without hidden characters.

Then based on that logic why would assume tekken 7 has unlockable characters?

 

[OmegaSmash]

.... wha?



You do realize that having everything unlocked from the get go in a fighting game is not the norm. Correct?

Ultimate Marvel 3 did it, I believe SSF4 did it as well. Blazblue also. And doesn't Tekken 6 do the same thing? Again, you can have unlockable music, concept art, videos, whatever. But don't lock the essential element of your game if said game is multiplayer focused.

 

[Caladrius]

Since there are third party trophies for stuff not represented in the game I think it would be hilarious if they hid a super hard to unlock trophy of Goku in the game for shits and giggles.

I think the Internet would collectively have an actual stroke.

 

[Jaeger]

Then based on that logic why would assume tekken 7 has unlockable characters?

Gut feeling... No actual facts to be totally honest. Haha.

Ultimate Marvel 3 did it, I believe SSF4 did it as well. Blazblue also. And doesn't Tekken 6 do the same thing? Again, you can have unlockable music, concept art, videos, whatever. But don't lock the essential element of your game if said game is multiplayer focused.

Usually updates do that. Nothing new.

 

[jnWake]

It'd be hilarious if the Shulk reveal trailer had him in a fight against Ganondorf identical to the one between Lucina and Falcon, with interrupted Warlock Punch and all (by a R.O.B. laser beam instead of Robin!). Clone even in CG!

 

[BassForever]

This argument is stupid we will already know the entire roster before we even get a chance to play it, there will be no unlockables for US/PAL gamers to find as Japanese players will have already found everything Smash 4 has to offer. Every character, every stage, every song, every trophy, every smash run enemy and challenge, every stage boss, every item, every assist trophy, and every pokeball pokemon. Everything will be known before 95% of this thread will be able to play this on October 3rd

 

[Moonlight]

Wouldn't mind just having a toggleable on the select screen that flat-out unlocks characters and stuff for parties or tournaments or whatever. Either that or some complicated button combo at character select.

And on the avatars, I think I might nab Fem!Robin if nobody else is?

 

[theprodigy]

I just beat a guy a good ratio of times as Link in Project M when I can't wavedash or anything, just using good standard play while he was using Marth/Falco like competitive players do and complained I rolled to much. Also he said I sucked before he left. Sad day.

I need to get better at Smash but I only ever want to play for fun haha.

It's called a salty ragequit.

 

[kuroneko0509]

Aww yeah Horizon wins by default. The best kind of win.

I'll change my avatar to that Lucina tomorrow-ish. I'm on my ipad and don't know how to resize it :/
Unless someone can help me with that.

Looks like we have 1 super excited peeps here :lol

 

[Jaeger]

This argument is stupid we will already know the entire roster before we even get a chance to play it, there will be no unlockables for US/PAL gamers to find as Japanese players will have already found everything Smash 4 has to offer. Every character, every stage, every song, every trophy, every smash run enemy and challenge, every stage boss, every item, every assist trophy, and every pokeball pokemon. Everything will be known before 95% of this thread will be able to play this on October 3rd

I'm going to be on internet blackout mode he day it comes out, like I usually do. And spend the whole weekend unlocking all I can on my own.

 

[Geminosity]

Blazblue actually locked a character in the latest edition, though it wasn't doing it before.

I think a game can make a nice balance. Just have a specific tournament mode that unlocks everything if they really want to have some sort of single player goal. I actually just stuck in Melee for the first time in awhile last night and was pretty deflated to see how I didn't have most stuff unlocked since I don't have a single clue where the GC memory card with it is right now.

Ugh, don't remind me. I had to chug through story mode to unlock him because one of my friends want to play him. As a result, rather than enjoying the story I was skimming through it ASAP so I'd have the full roster before fight night -.-

I'm sorry but no thanks.

"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

:3

 

[Village]

No just unlock all the damn characters from the start.

If I loose my date somehow, that game on a basic level is incomplete, fuck that. The base game is incomplete? Because of some dumb sense of discovery? I don't play fighting games for that.. well I played tekken 6 for that. But that was costumes, I do not mind unlocking extra shit. I don't like unlocking the tools to do that in fighting games.

 

[Durden77]

Probably because Smash does a good job of having diverse single-player modes and unusual unlock conditions as opposed to most fighters, where there's just going through arcade mode or a pain in the ass story mode.

Yup that smacks the nail on the head alright. Play arcade mode. K cool do it again like 100 times. Congrats you got Seth.

 

[theprodigy]

Ugh, don't remind me. I had to chug through story mode to unlock him because one of my friends want to play him. As a result, rather than enjoying the story I was skimming through it ASAP so I'd have the full roster before fight night -.-


:3

*ahem* that quote isn't actually from Voltaire /nerdgasm

 

[The Great Gonzales]

This argument is stupid we will already know the entire roster before we even get a chance to play it, there will be no unlockables for US/PAL gamers to find as Japanese players will have already found everything Smash 4 has to offer. Every character, every stage, every song, every trophy, every smash run enemy and challenge, every stage boss, every item, every assist trophy, and every pokeball pokemon. Everything will be known before 95% of this thread will be able to play this on October 3rd

There will be nothing secret, but that doesn't mean there won't be any unlockables. We'll know everything on day one, we just won't have access to it all at first.

 

[Caladrius]

Either that or some complicated button combo at character select.

I think this would be the ideal solution. Easy for parties and tournament-goers but still offering that progression to those who want it.

K cool do it again like 100 times.

Oh god what.

 

[Jaeger]

No just unlock all the damn characters from the start.

But it's Smash Bros. You know that's not gonna happen. Why get all twisted up about it?

 

[-Horizon-]

Looks like we have 1 super excited peeps here :lol

The Lucina hype never dies with my from behind avatar victory!

Spoiler

and I want to post more Miku gifs in the vain hope that she's another 3rd party trophy lol

 

[Mr. Smiley]

This argument is stupid we will already know the entire roster before we even get a chance to play it, there will be no unlockables for US/PAL gamers to find as Japanese players will have already found everything Smash 4 has to offer. Every character, every stage, every song, every trophy, every smash run enemy and challenge, every stage boss, every item, every assist trophy, and every pokeball pokemon. Everything will be known before 95% of this thread will be able to play this on October 3rd

They don't have to be secret to be worthwhile unlockables.

 

[Village]

But it's Smash Bros. You know that's not gonna happen. Why get all twisted up about it?

What the fuck excuse is that? Thats shit game design. Sakurai isn't averse to critcism, let me play as them.

 

[Jaeger]

What the fuck excuse is that? Thats shit game design.

And that's where I disagree.

 

[Geminosity]

The Lucina hype never dies with my from behind avatar victory!

Spoiler

and I want to post more Miku gifs in the vain hope that she's another 3rd party trophy lol

What if Lucina is the last character to be unlocked in a roster of 58 characters?

*ahem* that quote isn't actually from Voltaire /nerdgasm

Heh, I was wondering if anyone would call me on that ;D
I've seen it attributed to a good few people but was never particularly sure who actually said it so I just went with Voltaire :3

 

[Hatchtag]

What the fuck excuse is that? Thats shit game design. Sakurai isn't averse to critcism, let me play as them.

I don't think that's shit game design at all. It rewards the player for playing the game more, and it allows them to get acustomed to characters at a more gradual pace. It might mess up tourneys...except copying saves is a thing. So it doesn't.

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

i'm calling billshit on that one
Who the fuck was unlockable in those games I do not remember that shit.

What the fuck excuse is that? Thats shit game design.

Wow, dude, you need to calm down.

 

[Toxi]

What the fuck excuse is that? Thats shit game design. Sakurai isn't averse to critcism, let me play as them.

"Because it's Smash Bros" is a depressingly common excuse in this thread.

 

[Lunar15]

but i've already played kid icarus uprising

Have I ever told you that you are one of my favorite posters?

Because you are.

 

[kuroneko0509]

The Lucina hype never dies with my from behind avatar victory!

Spoiler

and I want to post more Miku gifs in the vain hope that she's another 3rd party trophy lol

heh enjoy

What if Lucina is the last character to be unlocked in a roster of 58 characters?


Heh, I was wondering if anyone would call me on that ;D
I've seen it attributed to a good few people but was never particularly sure who actually said it so I just went with Voltaire :3

Horizon

Spoiler

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