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3DS Homebrew Channel imminent (?)

Rich!

Member
technically they "fixed" it by releasing the wii mini, but that has no SD card slot at all

or wifi, ethernet support or even component support

its like trying to stop a guy from going out to buy a beer by chopping his limbs off, blinding him partially and sewing their mouth up. extreme measures to try and stop the sale of something like beer

edit: that makes no sense sorry
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
My guess would be Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars.

Launch game, fairly buggy, could be a decent avenue for an exploit. up on eshop

in fact you can almost guarantee that you can make the game crash eventually by leaving the wi-fi on while you play, so if you're trying to get a game to screw up in a repeatable fashion that helps
 
Its not getting a game to crash or bugs, its injecting your own code in something that isnt supposed to be code (strings, save files, images are common) and exploiting things like copy overflow to get it to run. So unless they found a way to decrypt save files and re-encrypt them you need a game that loads assets off the sd card.
 
Its not getting a game to crash or bugs, its injecting your own code in something that isnt supposed to be code (strings, save files, images are common) and exploiting things like copy overflow to get it to run. So unless they found a way to decrypt save files and re-encrypt them you need a game that loads assets off the sd card.

Early game save files had a fatal flaw in their encryption... Those saves were broken into very early on (within weeks of the 3DS launch).

I believe that backed up saves on the system are locked by a per-system encryption so using them as an attack vector seems very unlikely... We know from smeagal that no special hardware is needed (so you don't need anything to write a save directly onto a game) which means the attack vector almost CERTAINLY has to be in a game that accesses the SD card directly.

There have already been a couple examples listed in the thread so those are all good ideas of what we're likely looking for.
 

pootle

Member
I like the idea of 3DS homebrew (and it should have been region free from the start) but I'm struggling to think of anything I would really want.

I can only think of watching 3d movies on it but the screen is too low res. I used the 3ds converter to break up a couple of movies (that I own, before anybody gets excited) into chunks and tried watching them. Not really a success.

Virtual boy emulator maybe? What else would 3DS homebrew let you do that you can't already do elsewhere?

Although "Because I Can" is as good a reason as any of course.
 

Hasney

Member
Well it should be the most powerful mainstream handheld with physical controls for emulators. Saves forking out for a Shield if any decent progress is made.
 

pootle

Member
That's an excellent point. I hadn't thought about how mainstream or not the way I do things is. I must admit I have no idea of the specs of the 3DS and what it might be capable of emulating.

I assumed that people who are into retro stuff would already have some kind of handheld way to play, either a device like a Pandora or Shield or a gamepad for phones, tablets etc.

The 3DS could be good for emulation.
 
I like the idea of 3DS homebrew (and it should have been region free from the start) but I'm struggling to think of anything I would really want.

Yeah same here. There's very little that could be done that wasn't already done on PSP in terms of homebrew/emulation -- and my PSP still works just fine and I have no problem taking both if I really want to.

Region free matters a lot less when you have a JPN 3DS, backups have little appeal for me on 3DS since most of my games are eshop anyway so they're already on the sd card...
 

rjc571

Banned
It's too bad the 3DS isn't strong enough to emulate the N64 at decent speeds. Adding 3D support to N64 emulators is fairly trivial and would be an awesome feature on the 3DS. It MIGHT be powerful enough for decent PSX emulation but 3D would be difficult to implement properly because the PSX lacks a hardware z-buffer, apparently.
 
I just noticed this thread for the first time. Also, it seems pretty likely that it's DOA (not confirmed yet).

I am so excited for Homebrew for 3DS. If it means that we'll get mods like Brawl did, then sign me up.
 

Hasney

Member
I just noticed this thread for the first time. Also, it seems pretty likely that it's DOA (not confirmed yet).

I am so excited for Homebrew for 3DS. If it means that we'll get mods like Brawl did, then sign me up.

Except for that pesky part where he's bought Cubic Ninja off eBay.

Grab DOA by all means, it's a great game, but it's far from certain that it's the game for this.
 
I wouldn't read too much into eBay purchases unless you expect smea to do all their shopping on eBay. All you can conclude is that they have looked at Cubic Ninja.

I believe that backed up saves on the system are locked by a per-system encryption so using them as an attack vector seems very unlikely... We know from smeagal that no special hardware is needed (so you don't need anything to write a save directly onto a game) which means the attack vector almost CERTAINLY has to be in a game that accesses the SD card directly.

There have already been a couple examples listed in the thread so those are all good ideas of what we're likely looking for.
A thing that should be noted is some work breaking into encrypted save data on the SD card has happened. Essentially you "prime" a program with some data it knows (examples are a completely black photo or an empty Pokemon box) and compare that to that data you want to know to get yourself the key. That probably only works in fairly simple cases though.

the game with the exploit is not on every eshop, but is on some

steel diver isn't on any though afaik
Last I checked Steel Diver was on the Japanese and European eShop (UK price £40). Is this another Nintendo Land* or NOA won't put it up (though to be fair when NOE put it up I was confused as you could easily find retail copies for far less than £40 at that point, maybe NOA thought there was no point putting up a $40 Steel Diver so did nothing).

But I think steel diver is an unlikely target.

*-Physical version got a price drop. NOA thought pulling eShop version was best course of action.
 

Hasney

Member
Oh yeah, but it fits all the criteria like DOA does too. Either way, DOA is great so jump on it. Cubic Ninja... Not so much.

EDIT: Unless you see Cubic Ninja for £1.50 with only one in stock and jump on that bad boy because you're weak.
 

danielcw

Member
I'm curious if the hack works like Zelda TP's on Wii, or like Brawl's. TP's ran code through the system itself, so Nintendo easily patched it, but Brawl used data straight from the SD card, meaning that Nintendo's never been able to "fix" it.

Nintendo could have fixed Brawl's by patching the game at each start.
And in the case of TP they just tought the system menu to detect and delete malicious savegames



If it were able to "rip game cards directly to the SD card", then it would allow downloaded roms. No way around that.

The rips could be encrypted an marked with a per-system key.

That wouldn't stop one from "renting" or "borrowing" someone else's game anyway.



A thing that should be noted is some work breaking into encrypted save data on the SD card has happened.

Did that achieve any results?
 
Did that achieve any results?
The dead or alive photo decrypter and a tool for Pokemon (to see PC contents, useful for unhatched eggs for seeing their IVs and shiny values*, I think there might be multiple Pokemon tools actually as I heard of one to work out your shiny value using replay data...).
*-Problem is if cart owners are able to use this tool they probably have powersaves anyway making it moot.

Come to think of it neither of those do the following step. Encrypting the data back.
 

Rich!

Member
bad timing:
now Nintendo can release the New 3DS with a default firmware that may be imune to the exploit.

on the contrary, great timing.

Now I can keep my current XL as a homebrew device and have the new 3DS for upcoming games and releases.
 
bad timing:
now Nintendo can release the New 3DS with a default firmware that may be imune to the exploit.
I don't think the New 3DS is coming to the west for a while (why else leave the direct JP only and only tweet about Shulk and menu themes).

If anything menu themes are more of the carrot deployed to keep 3DS firmware up to date.
 
Yeah same here. There's very little that could be done that wasn't already done on PSP in terms of homebrew/emulation -- and my PSP still works just fine and I have no problem taking both if I really want to.

Region free matters a lot less when you have a JPN 3DS, backups have little appeal for me on 3DS since most of my games are eshop anyway so they're already on the sd card...

SNES games are broken up into layers, it would be rather trivial to give these games depth via emulation, which would be pretty damn cool right there. (yes it would take a little bit of tweaking on some games).

An in real time version of this...

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http://imgur.com/gallery/kuupv
 

danielcw

Member
on the contrary, great timing.

Now I can keep my current XL as a homebrew device and have the new 3DS for upcoming games and releases.

I guess one has to be on the newest firmware, if he wants to transfer his games from a 3DS to a New 3DS or any other system.
So if you have purchased games and want to keep them, there will be some hurdles.
 

Rich!

Member
I guess one has to be on the newest firmware, if he wants to transfer his games from a 3DS to a New 3DS or any other system.
So if you have purchased games and want to keep them, there will be some hurdles.

I have two XLs. Not an issue.
 

Nester

Member
I traded in my copy of DOA during the Target triple trade in promotion. :(

So I really hope it's Crush 3D. Is that on any eShop besides a demo?
 

Rich!

Member
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF


what are the odds

you have gotta be shitting me

ah well

smea @smealum · 21s

I've worked way too long and hard (...) on this to throw it away. I'll keep you guys posted of course.

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smea @smealum · 1m

I'm really sorry, I know this is shitty and bait&switchy but I don't want to make any rash decisions.
 

Hasney

Member
Fuck this new 3DS. Nothing good has come of it so far.

Going to be far too funny if Nintendo find the exploit before he does by working out the game and blocking it.
 
This isn't too surprising that this would at least throw a wrench in his current plans for a release.

Fuck this new 3DS. Nothing good has come of it so far.

Going to be far too funny if Nintendo find the exploit before he does by working out the game and blocking it.

It wouldn't matter much though... The exploit would always work on the current versions of the firmware as long as people didn't update.
 
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