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Digital Foundry: Performance Analysis: Destiny on Xbox One
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nothing... just like the Apple comment.. it shows nothing.
Deputy Moonman
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Personally, I don't ever remember a time when there wasn't general parity for cross-platform games in any generation - even the PS3. If I'm wrong, I suspect it was because one system wasn't capable rather than one system being substantially more powerful. In the case of the PS3, that thing just had ridiculously complicated architecture.
I find all this bickering about cross-platform games needing to be superior on the PS4 evidence of a few entitled people complaining and then a bunch of other people jumping on the complain wagon. Perhaps the rest of the complainers just want to justify their PS4 purchase, which is silly. The PS4 is more powerful and its 1st party games will likely make a lot of people very happy. I chuckle when people defend their reasoning for purchasing one console over the other simply because of the cross-platform games. Differences are never that substantial. So have fun with that.
I find all this bickering about cross-platform games needing to be superior on the PS4 evidence of a few entitled people complaining and then a bunch of other people jumping on the complain wagon. Perhaps the rest of the complainers just want to justify their PS4 purchase, which is silly. The PS4 is more powerful and its 1st party games will likely make a lot of people very happy. I chuckle when people defend their reasoning for purchasing one console over the other simply because of the cross-platform games. Differences are never that substantial. So have fun with that.
Hip Hop
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Wish @NeogaffShitPosts was still here. This would be gold.
RandyBobandy
Banned
You should honestly put this in the op of every XB1/Ps4 thread to get the parity comments out of the way
It shows that percentages don't necessarily translate to real world results. PS4 has 40% more power than Xbox One. That doesn't mean a third-party game optimised for both systems will "look 40% better to the consumer" on PS4. That's not how it works.
This proves some developers and publishers are maintaining artificial parity, the power gap is real. That's how it works.
An game optimized for both systems will always run better on PS4.
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JoJo UK
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WTF happened to ShitPosts?
but ...
this is why I don´t understand the Apple reference.. 40% more of anything is a significant raise.. (ok maybe not 40% more of zero)
Why do people keep being up ps3 and 360? There was almost never parity between those systems.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
For a AAA 30fps title, it's really lacking in the anisotropic filtering and anti-aliasing departments.
I guess that it may be annoying for some when you think about the fact that Bungie probably worked harder to get the Xbone version in line with the PS4's. It can be frustrating to see that extra effort lost on the PS4 version because Bungie probably wanted both as similar as possible. Not because of a conspiracy, but possibly because, simply, that's what they wanted.
Maybe if both consoles had the same specs (PS4 specs for example), Bungie would've aimed to get both games to where they actually are right now. Maybe they're ambition in visual bells and whistles end there.
Maybe if both consoles had the same specs (PS4 specs for example), Bungie would've aimed to get both games to where they actually are right now. Maybe they're ambition in visual bells and whistles end there.
Yes but it doesn't necessarily translate into a real world perception. Do you see what I mean? If you show a PS4 game and an Xbox One game to somebody, they're not going to say "oh that looks 40% better".
The only problem with that theory is that destiny is plagued with lod on the ps4 just it is on all versions.
If it reached its mark so easily it surely wouldn't have such aggressive lod right?
In all likelihood, Bungie pared down the PS4 version to Xbone levels. The same thing happened with quite a few PS4/Xbone launch titles - but with them, most received a patch before launch to remove artificial parity.
Deputy Moonman
Member
That was less about power differences and more about the PS3's complicated architecture.
Ahh good point. Didn't think about it that way.
Red Chocobo
Banned
The chromatic aberration seems a bit pointless. I wish there was an option to remove it.
The game isn't exactly next Gen quality. It's made on all 4 consoles. No console is going to be taken advantage of. The main goal was probably to get it to work on all of them. It's not surprising there's no difference between the XB1 and PS4. At least that we know of so far. The words "very closely" says there is maby a few differences. We'll have to wait and see the full comparison.
Leafhopper
Banned
This does make this thread a lot more bearable.
ok is it just me or does Destiny look better on XB1 than PS4?
The biggest one for me was Wreckless when it was ported from Xbox to PS2. That was just painful to look at.
JacksUsername
Member
Agree 100%. There's no evidence that the PS4 was compromised in any way other than speculation of what could have been. Sure, in a perfect world, every piece of software would be completely optimized and take full advantage of hardware, but IMO that's a pretty naive and idealistic view. The PS4 hardware doesn't exist in a silo, it exists in a competitive marketplace; you can't realistically expect every piece of software to be 100% custom-tailored to your platform of choice. If that were the case, multi-platform games wouldn't exist because it would cost too much time and money to deliver a product. And this is coming from a PS4 owner who's currently playing Destiny.
Or because MS worked harder to get the Xbox One version in line with the PS4's? Maybe Sony shoulda sent some ICE guys down to optimise the PS4 version to make it even better.
Or is Bungie required to put extra resources of their own into the PS4 version, to compensate for any help MS offered? Or maybe they should refuse MS' help to make the game the best they could on their platform, because it wouldn't be fair to the PS4 owning members of NeoGAF.
RandyBobandy
Banned
Tbf, it's not even about the XB1 performance anymore
Spottiettiedop
Member
Exactly and I think that will continue this gen. I seriously doubt there will be any significant separation between 3rd party games.
That's my biggest take away from this article. Good for Bungie.
MilkyJoe
Member
You should honestly put this in the op of every XB1/Ps4 thread to get the parity comments out of the way
This is the best thing ever created by man.
It's not a straightforward sentiment, that's exactly what I'm saying.
What you're saying, taken to its logical endpoint, is that each version of the game should have a separate SKU, and be developed differently, so that each version is 'the absolute best it can be on the given hardware'. And that's not some fantasy; it happened on Xbox/PS2.
I think it has to be a tradeoff between maximising the usage of each platform and aiming for something resembling parity for both commercial and more general financial reasons.
Leafhopper
Banned
At least that's good news.
3rdamention
Member
Well, I think right there points to the hardware difference. Sony didn't have to send devs to Bungie to help get the game to 1080p. It was running at 1080p a lot earlier than the Xbox One version. When you have that 40% power difference, it is going to be much easier to achieve those results without help. Both systems are pretty straight forward to develop for.
Windom Earle
Member
That's mostly art direction though. Technically the game is kinda weak with a FOV in the range of 70 and a framerate of 30fps. I thought with this gen we could finally get rid of tunnel vision FOVs on consoles but nope.
Yeah clearly they had to pare down the cross gen game to "xbox one levels" for parity. Clearly.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
To what end? To make the PS4's fan spin even less than it already does during this game? To save a few watts? If Bungie is determined to have parity they'll have it.
That's pretty much what I said in my post. Whether or not MS helped, if they worked harder on the Xbone version just to reach parity, then I can understand the displeasure to see that they didn't work extra on the PS4 to take benefit of its more capable hardware. However, if Bungie didn't want to do it, then that's that.
Bungie isn't required to do anything. I'm just pointing out that I can understand why some people are annoyed, but I also understand that if Bungie set a goal and they reached it, regardless of any extra or less effort, then there's nothing we can do about it, but to accept it and get the game, or avoid it and move on.
They won't get rid of it until they have to, and they will have to with VR because vomit.
I really don't think the FOV choice is a technical limitation in this choice. That is, I don't believe for a second that raising it in this game would have dipped the frame-rate. I don't know why they chose it but I think it's clear that it's intentional.
That being said, a lower FOV works reasonably OK when you sit back a fair distance from the screen. This is why, with PC games, a wider FOV is necessary. I can play lower FOV games from my couch but in front of a monitor it becomes terrible.
From my experience on pc that translates to maybe a 10 frames per second difference...all else being equal. It would be a much bigger difference if the gpu's were a different gen with different tech/shader abilities.
10m vs 5m seems like an okay reason.
Destiny is a lot of fun and looks nice for what it is, but doesn't really seem to push any envelope tech wise, if anything, it feels held back in large part by the fact that it's cross gen.
Corronchilejano
Member
We should really wait for the faceoff before doing this XB1 vs PS4.
Please stop trying to derail the thread.Game looks great on Xbox One.
I see it that way, however is dissapointing that one of the most expensive games in history does not push tech a bit further. Being cross gen didn't help either. Let's see what Destiny 2 offers.