You sure about that? Doing that will make Konami say something like, "Looks like no one's buying the Xbox One versions of our games; Maybe we should either make our future games PS4 exclusive, or continue to give future Xbox One versions of our games shoddy ports & call it a day."
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PES 2015 : 1080P 60 FPS on PS4 - 720P 60 FPS on X1
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You sure about that? Doing that will make Konami say something like, "Looks like no one's buying the Xbox One versions of our games; Maybe we should either make our future games PS4 exclusive, or continue to give future Xbox One versions of our games shoddy ports & call it a day."
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I'm too tired to entertain this more. The world will turn.
PM as you noted. I'm going to bed.
Ricerocket
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Konami just simply need to make a phone call to MS and Phil will send an engineer over to magically make it 1080p. I mean we keep hearing about this from MS, why aren't all devs taking advantage of it?
Windom Earle
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boredandlazy
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Trolling? Stupid? Gullible? All three?
It depends on what you do with your renderer and how far you go. Like someone said, Infamous SS has a 290MB render target.
So what about Metal Gear?
I doubt konami cares about XB1 resolution.
They sell most of MGS in US where PS4 dominates the market.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
The fire happened in September, consoles launched in November. It's completely irrelevant to the story of how the X1 ended up with 8GB, because two months from launch it was too late to change anything in a meaningful way.
DDR3 prices have been going up along the years because manufacturers are gearing up for other types of RAM, not because one factory had a fire.
Microsoft banked on quantity, Sony banked on speed. Factory fires are completely irrelevant to how these machines shaped up.
Windom Earle
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Probably a kid, but this narrative of denying the technical facts is pretty cringe worthy.
This gives a pretty good description of deferred rendering.
The issue with the Xbone is with the g-buffer. The effects you want to render, the larger the 'bytes per pixel' becomes. With all the effects they wanted, Infamous SS ended up with 40 bytes per pixel. Which for a 1920x1080 image requires 80MB for the g-buffer
If the resolution was 720p, the g-buffer would be 1280x720x40 = 35.1MB, so even then too big to fit into eSRAM. You could use the main DDR3 RAM, but that's slow as fuck so would have massive performance problems.
To get a g-buffer into eSRAM, you have to reduce both what is being rendered and the resolution. A very basic scene could output at native 1080p on the Xbone with deferred rendering. At most, you can have 16 byte per pixel in your g-buffer. But that's not enough with the expectations of next gen, with improved lighting, materials etc. In relation to PES and the Fox Engine, the lighting is the stand out improvement over last gen. This can only be achieved on the Xbone at lower resolutions.
Edit: all the talk about SDKs and 'closing the gap' is missing the point. The bottleneck isn't GPU performance (which the June update helped with by removing the 10% GPU reserved by Kinect). It's about the (lack of) RAM it in the Xbone's VRAM.
You guys can be quite entertaining at times.
..... we know exactly what's inside these boxes. So you are the one who should stop believing in unicorns (inside the Xbox One).
The PS4 IS actually more powerful and there IS a nice gap between these two consoles.
DAT DINAMICAL GRASS
DirgeExtinction
Member
I think he already posted about this game.
Should we tell him that Sony has ICE Team working on improving the SDK for PS4 as well?
Crimson_Gold
Member
No. Let him dream.
iamvin22
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Louis Cyphre
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"We can't just flip a switch every time we hear about lazy devs." - Larry
Um, just because it's 1080p doesn't mean it's not gimped. For Example, the PS4 could support more effects but since they had to remove them from Xbox One version of a game, for parity the devs removed them from the PS4 version also.
A game could play 1080p/60fps on PS4 but for parity sake only play at 1080p/30ps, to be more in line with the Xbox One version.
That IS gimping the game, it's removing things that the system can achieve so that it is more on par with the other version.
Can't believe some people think just because the game has the same resolution or framerate means it's not gimped.
Not surprised. PES is not huge on Xbox platform since 360 era.
As PS4 is the leading console of development and sales of PES, KONAMI might just determine not to spend more time to optimize the One version.
Don't think it is highly due to FOX engine.
Seems I will do the same thing as past years: FIFA on Xbox, PES on PS. Problem solved for me.
As PS4 is the leading console of development and sales of PES, KONAMI might just determine not to spend more time to optimize the One version.
Don't think it is highly due to FOX engine.
Seems I will do the same thing as past years: FIFA on Xbox, PES on PS. Problem solved for me.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
If anything devs aren't putting effort into optimizing for PS4. Like with Destiny, before or during the alpha they gave up on making graphical improvements to the PS4 version.
I'm 99% sure that both FIFA and PES will sell better on PS4 in EU/UK region.
Coulomb_Barrier
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If you think me saying that I think the PS4 is slightly more powerful is trolling then I must be
Perhaps you should read the post's slowly and try and understand what is being said
I'm not denying anything - I listen to dev's and experts not armchair fanboys
I never said the PS4 wasn't more powerful - and again I will ask, please post a link to the official spec's of both consoles showing the hardware .. thanks
Coulomb_Barrier
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No you are calling PS4's 40/50% processing advantage a 'myth' then go on to say that the gap is just down to the 'poor sdk' of the Xbone.
Which is just as much as a myth. So no-one is going to take you seriously.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
What specs are you interested in, exactly? What do you consider official? You know we have die shots, right?
On paper you could say certain raw numbers are 50% better, but that is over simplifying things.
Again remember I am not saying the PS4 is not more powerful
cripterion
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They can't even be bothered to optimize the pos that was pes2014 on pc so not really surprised.
This has to be attributed to "lazy" devs right? I mean, Ground Zeros uses the same engine sure, but that game looks freaking outstanding. PES 2015 looks... like PES, there really shouldn't be need to use all the lighting techniques used for say GZ on this game (and if they need to use it, they need to make the game look better), I mean just cause it uses same engine, doesn't mean it shouldn't be somewhat modified to fit the game they're trying to make right?
This power gap topic has been discussed and proven thousads of times already and with PES and Fox Engine it's pretty obvious, just like MGS GZ. The advanceded lighting with 60 fps isnt possible on xbone and its badly designed memory system. It's a design choice by Kojima and the PES team to have it at 60 fps locked and to let it happen on xbone they would have to cut down the framerate, which is a no go in a sports game or cut some effects. Sure, Konami doesnt have the budget for huge teams and they decided to optimize Fox Engine for PS4, not only because of better sales but for better performance and easier and more efficient architecture.
No, nothing to do with lazy dev talk. You can only do so much with a limited budget.
I dont know why so many people think that sports games should look considerably better because there is not so much going on on the screen as in heavily scripted hand guided action games with corridor levels. You have to simulate a crowd of people, have real time AI for at least 23 players, many physics calculations, thousands of animations, that all under taxing lighting, 60 fps, etc.
Have you ever compared PES13 with PES15? Its a gnerational leap jump...
Yes I know about those raw numbers - but there is more to it than just raw numbers - but I can see this is a pointless discussion and is going nowhere
dead monkey uk
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Penello is that you?
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Xbox One upscales all titles to 1080p & they look amazing*
*according to Greenberg
*according to Greenberg
I'm guessing you mean SDK updates, The Cloud and secret sauce? There's just so much they can squeeze out of the hardware with SDK updates....
Hydrargyrus
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It's not only the numbers. It's easier to deal with PS4's architecture
You forgot to factor in the power of the human spirit.
You come across like you're in denial.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Lol oh man. I'm happy with both system....well actually I traded my Xbox one for an iPad air.
I'll get the new revision xbo hopefully some secret sauce gets unlocked with the so called 2015-2016 DX12?
With that said. Resolution isn't everything.
Yes, absolutely.
But is it related to my post about my choice: play FIFA on Xbox One and play PES on PS4?