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Digital Foundry: Performance Analysis: Destiny on Xbox One
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The PS4 has other areas in its hardware that has a huge advantage over XB1. I think saying it's 40% more powerful is selling it short. Heh.
Somebody bring out that list.
I agree with this. Like i said above Destiny isn't pushing anything graphically intensive. It's really not surprising it looks the same on all platforms.
It's only one game. There are plenty of others to be released that, hopefully, take advantage of the extra performance the PS4 has.
Somebody bring out that list.
I agree with this. Like i said above Destiny isn't pushing anything graphically intensive. It's really not surprising it looks the same on all platforms.
It's only one game. There are plenty of others to be released that, hopefully, take advantage of the extra performance the PS4 has.
Holographix
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Uhhhhh, I never made that argument. Not sure what changed here, sorry I think you're mistaken or just rambling nonsense. And funny enough for the majority of the time PS4 was the least costly console, so that I paid X argument doesn't really hold.
It's in their best interest to have both versions run as similar as possible, as I think most cross-platform titles running on same-gen hardware strive to achieve. Bunjie just hit all the right marks in making it a reality. Rather they underutilized the PS4 as some have claimed... personally would not surprise me. But, it's an easy argument to put forward given all we've learned about the differences between the two platforms and what we've seen from past cross-plastform games running on them.
That's a dumb destinction to make. If the ps4 had 780s would his point be more valid in your eyes, more power is more power. Although I don't agree with bungies position on the matter it is what it is.
Edit: also it doesn't make sense to say that next gen needs to be equal to not alienate fans when last gen destiny is not on equal footing.
I don't believe the myth that the PS4 is 40%/50% more powerful than the XB1 - most devs say the PS4 has little or slightly more powerful hardware but in real terms they are close.
The reason the early titles were 1080p on PS4 and 720/900p on XB1 was down to the poor XB1 sdk that it launched with compared the PS4 sdk.
Don't believe the media hype and fanboy rubbish, do your research from the devs that code the games, this will give you a more accurate assessment of the two consoles.
I think the next AC and COD will be a good test
The reason the early titles were 1080p on PS4 and 720/900p on XB1 was down to the poor XB1 sdk that it launched with compared the PS4 sdk.
Don't believe the media hype and fanboy rubbish, do your research from the devs that code the games, this will give you a more accurate assessment of the two consoles.
I think the next AC and COD will be a good test
Allez Phill
Banned
I saw this running on XB1 and I didn't see anything truly wrong. Maybe aliasing but I was probably tired and the fact that it was on a 100" screen didn't help. Looks better than the ancient 360 I'm playing on for sure.
Basically my thoughts. It's nice for XBO owners but a kick for PS4 owners. Both pay the same price for the same product except one cost more to deliver.
Not sure if serious...The 40-50% is in the hardware, no dev can change that. They sure can choose to underutilize that though...
MMaRsu
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Lol this guy. Trolling or just gullible, who will tell?
So based on this, you think that they should spend equal man-hours on each? That this is the fair way to do it?
this is not the Loch Ness monster or a Yeti...
geordiemp
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How is number of GCN in the GPU a myth ? Or number of ROPs or any other metric you can judge a AMD GPU by ?
1.8 TF vs 1.3 TF ? Thought everyone knew that by now (except for Mr X and the crazy gang)
Back on topic, a game that runs on last gen consoles should of been 60 FPS.
Paracelsus
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Awful argument, parity was never really truly achieved in the 7th gen, because nine out of ten times it was a 360-to-PS3 port, which resulted in a sloppy PS3 product.
qa_engineer
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Good job, bungie. Now go enjoy playing the game.. Gamers.
lol
Alcoholikaust
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good to know when I pop that cellophane on my Ghost edition copy
too busy with my PS4 copy-
soon...
too busy with my PS4 copy-
soon...
Night Angel
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Yep. One game is the same. Hardware parity achieved. Pack it up, folks, the gap has closed.
(What the fuck is going on here? Did MrXMedia set up a Gaf raid on his site?)
pixellated_man
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I say if there's a way, test both versions without the 30fps frame cap. I wouldn't be surprised if the ps4 version is substantially ahead in fps. Where games have a 30fps cap,
there is likely to be an illusion of parity even when in reality it's not the case.
there is likely to be an illusion of parity even when in reality it's not the case.
If you have a chippy go round you house and spend 2 hours working would you be upset if he charged you the same as he charged me for a half a days work?
we both end up with the same product, except yours isn't as good as it could have been if he spent more time on it.
Sadly this is very true, it's pretty embarrassing.
You should honestly put this in the op of every XB1/Ps4 thread to get the parity comments out of the way
Bungie is not a first party studio
Reading the Destiny OT,I don't recall any posts complaining about performance outside of loading.
Dude, you sound mad... no pun intended, but chill a bit.
The general argument against parity across the systems is that if you bought a system that is more powerful then the software should demonstrate that. The comparative cost isn't important, just that the hardware isn't being utilised, thus not giving the player the proper return on their purchase. The GameCube was cheaper than the PS2 for pretty much its entire life, but was still more powerful.
If the argument switches to being that the PS4 should be fully exploited on every multiplat due to it being the more popular console, then you're really just making a business case, rather than a hardware one. In terms of hardware capabilities the OG Xbox to PS2 is easily as relevant as the Xbox One to PS4. There being fewer OG Xbox owners doesn't change that.
Would we not be having this discussion then if the Xbox One was selling better, but most games had parity despite the performance differences?
pixellated_man
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Everyone remember this quote. It'll be fun to bring it up in future discussions...
Windom Earle
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Which makes it even more baffling... Why limit the vision so much? It's true that it's more bearable on a TV though.
Looks like the PS4 version doesn't even have decent AF? (If this picture is from PS4).
Is this the "goal" that people are talking about in this thread?
Good job Bungie.
You should honestly put this in the op of every XB1/Ps4 thread to get the parity comments out of the way
Sad, but true.
XBOX ONE Version Looks great, but the game is still boring, IMHO.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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It was much bigger. They had to largely redesign much of the Splinter Cell games for the PS2 versions. Hell, the Xbox was capable of things that the PS2 (and Gamecube) literally couldn't do.
WastedDeer
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I know there's a difference in power but the question is how big is it now? All the examples people come up with where there is a big difference tend to come from the earlier titles when it was rumoured that the X1 sdk was really poor and the kinect was eating up power.
From what I can see games seem to be closer right now. (Looking at Destiny,Diablo 3). I think a better test of how close they really are will be seen this holiday when AC,COD and other multiplats are released.
From what I can see games seem to be closer right now. (Looking at Destiny,Diablo 3). I think a better test of how close they really are will be seen this holiday when AC,COD and other multiplats are released.
No, it isnt big difference. Look at any PC GPU in 200-250$ and compare that. Let alone any decent CPU. Not my fault that current gens are based on low-end up to lowest mid-end hardware.
But hey, keep fighting a good fight that consoles are far off in terms of processing power.
I would absolutely fucking love to see an alternate dimension where this was the law, and see how everyone felt about the resulting PS3 multiplats (such as Rage). I'd record everything, and bring it back to this thread.
Oh dear, is that your argument? Something that "on-paper" is 50% better? Im talking in real terms, as in the final game, have you seen anything recently that looks 50% better?
And I don't know how I am trolling when I said the PS4 had slightly more powerful hardware - I just to believe the end results are not showing they are 50% better!
MaximusPayne
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R3TRODYCE
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Lol, so true.
I'm not mad at all, and I'm not really sure what I've said that makes you think that. I'm just interested in what people mean when they say that 'each platform should be fully exploited'. It's an easy thing to say but in practice it seems virtually impossible to cash out into a sensible rule of thumb that you'd like developers to stick to.
Is just whacking extra AA and AF onto the game 'fully exploiting the platform'? It doesn't really seem like it to me. Should they add extra effects? Dial up asset detail? Use higher quality shader algorithms? Totally reengineer the renderer to take advantage of architectural strengths?
Or should it be economic considerations? Equal man-hours on each platform? Divided by userbase percentages? By projected sales breakdown?
'They should utilise each platform to its fullest' is a shallow answer to a complex problem.
Is there any evidence that the Xbone version took several times more time and/or money to develop than the PS4 version?
It really seems to me more like if you took six hours to do the job and I took five hours and fifty-five minutes. Would you really besmirch me the five minute difference?
Mr_Antimatter
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Pretty awesome technical achievement from Bungie. Was obviously easier to hit that target on ps4, given it was at that way back in the alpha.
Still, I don't see this as any lazyness on their part with the ps4 version, but rather, a heck of a lot of effort on the XB1 version to get it up to snuff. I don't expect a cross gen multiplatform game to push the hardware of the ps4/xb1 to their limit.
Still, I don't see this as any lazyness on their part with the ps4 version, but rather, a heck of a lot of effort on the XB1 version to get it up to snuff. I don't expect a cross gen multiplatform game to push the hardware of the ps4/xb1 to their limit.
Is this the "goal" that people are talking about in this thread?
Pretty much. Why some are fine with a giant tentpole release looking and playing like a 360 game is baffling in 2014.
I suppose we should be thankful that they weren't using tablets as the baseline, like with Skylanders.
I bet you also believe that math is black magic.
RandyBobandy
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Welcome to every XB1 thread
As a PS3 owner that was different
But even then not many X360 games seemed to be held back by PS3, more they made it on X360 and 'shoe-horned' it into PS3. That doesn't seem to be happening now...well at least not with this game.
The Inventor
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Indeed! Looks beautiful all the time with little aliasing in specific places, nothing to worry about.