If CoD:AW will be 882p/900p/whatever vs. 1080p like it's rumored to be, what then?
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PES 2015 : 1080P 60 FPS on PS4 - 720P 60 FPS on X1
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If CoD:AW will be 882p/900p/whatever vs. 1080p like it's rumored to be, what then?
P.T. uses Fox Engine and it's one of the best looking games I've ever seen. It's unfair to KojiPro to say that they have no interest in pushing tech.
That was actually quite funny even though it was at my expense
Then I will see you in the COD thread when the time comes
Not correctly securing them to the ground? They'll move quite easily if they're up in the cloud.
Duxxy3
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So if you're a publisher and you know that one of the new systems does not play well with deferred rendering, what do you do?
Keep it the same, but leave one of five platforms effectively sub-par? It sucks for xbox one users, but it works out for everyone else (more or less).
Changing from deferred is not an option on the older machines. They simply can't do forward+. So if you're looking at cross-gen, then there's really only one option. If it's next gen only, do you make the modifications, if they are even possible, of changing to forward+ in your engine?
The next year will be interesting. The Microsoft engineers better get their passports ready.
Keep it the same, but leave one of five platforms effectively sub-par? It sucks for xbox one users, but it works out for everyone else (more or less).
Changing from deferred is not an option on the older machines. They simply can't do forward+. So if you're looking at cross-gen, then there's really only one option. If it's next gen only, do you make the modifications, if they are even possible, of changing to forward+ in your engine?
The next year will be interesting. The Microsoft engineers better get their passports ready.
wait for next years games obviously.
So this couldn't simply be they have a budget for optimizing games per system and they reached 1080p/60 on PS4 and 720p/60 on XB1 using an equal allotment of that budget?
Dev studios are now required to spend extra time making their game equal on a lower spec system or drawing back the better spec version to be the same?
Dev studios are now required to spend extra time making their game equal on a lower spec system or drawing back the better spec version to be the same?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Konami Working With Microsoft To Increase PES 2015 Xbox One 720p Resolution
http://www.gamepur.com/news/16399-k...-pes-2015-xbox-one-720p-resolution-after.html
http://www.gamepur.com/news/16399-k...-pes-2015-xbox-one-720p-resolution-after.html
dat forced parity
Chobel
Member
I guess MS found 720p "unacceptable".
Nothing in that article (which just links tweets that have already been linked here) actually indicates they will increase the resolution.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Could just be that PS4 will use Fox Engine and Bone will use the gimped but 1080p-friendly Hen Engine.
I agree that it looks great.
That's not what I said.
Haha...I see what you did there.
RowdyReverb
Member
At least it's the good kind of forced parity. It sounds like they're improving the build for their console, not gimping the other one.
Oh god, not Gamepur....
They're worse han Dualshockers -_-'
BuggeryBugz
Member
I don't think anyone is surprised that games run at a lower resolution on xbox one, the surprise is that a sport game, which doesn't look any better than FIFA 15, is running at 720p when the other is 1080p.
I hope Konami is smart and tells Microsoft that in order to run the game in 1080p on xbone, they need the FIFA licence.
I want you guys to remember mrb1972 started out on GAF with this fucking hilarious post:
DriveClub is a rail racer.
And that, of the like three or four other topics he has ever posted in, the majority of them are him trying to 'fight the myth' that the PS4 is not 50% more powerful in any way.
Destiny Digital Foundry topic
Lords Res confirmed 900p on XBO, 1080p on PS4 thread
Of all his posts, 96% are about him trying to fight the myth PS4 is 50% more powerful.
AND, on top of that, let's fight this shit:
Alright, you want to listen to devs?
Adrian C., Former People Can Fly Developer
Anonymous Developers tell Edge there is 50% difference
Benchmark Test
I CAN GO ON ALL DAY
mrb1972 said:
DriveClub is a rail racer.
And that, of the like three or four other topics he has ever posted in, the majority of them are him trying to 'fight the myth' that the PS4 is not 50% more powerful in any way.
mrb1972 said:
Destiny Digital Foundry topic
mrb1972 said:
Lords Res confirmed 900p on XBO, 1080p on PS4 thread
Of all his posts, 96% are about him trying to fight the myth PS4 is 50% more powerful.
AND, on top of that, let's fight this shit:
mrb1972 said:
Alright, you want to listen to devs?
Adrian C., Former People Can Fly Developer
Edge/Developers said:
Anonymous Developers tell Edge there is 50% difference
Benchmark Test said:
Benchmark Test
I CAN GO ON ALL DAY
travisbickle
Member
Probably have about 3 weeks before it goes gold. Now we see what the inventors of DirectX can do!
Duxxy3
Member
I don't think it's uncommon for developers to spend more time optimizing one version. PS3 was a giant pain in the ass to work with, but companies still got out good versions of games for the system.
Except that PES does actually look noticeably better than FIFA.
Conspiracy Theory: Microsoft engineers developed an inferior memory solution for the Xbox One so they could see the world on the company's dime!
People will complain that if they can get the XB1 version closer then they're obliged to go back and spend the same amount of time to add "extra bells and whistles" to the PS4 version.
Amir0x Has Come And Conquered
I don't thin that is the case, he states they have pulled the document that links that the Xbox is 720p
I think that is as good as a confirmation the resolution will be increasing, even if they delay the Xbox version...
The question that should be asked of Konami is why did they not go to MS for help in the first place
Given Ryse struggled to hit consistent 30fps that's more a confirmation than a denial of situation, no?
I mean what resolution would Ryse need to be to hit solid 60fps on XB1. Clearly it couldn't be 900p as it couldn't maintain 30fps so maybe... 720p?
The point is different engines/game content means you shouldn't just make snap comparisons.
I think PvZ might be deffered rendering at 900p on XB1 but the general knowledge of deferred engines does imply they would have issues with ESRAM size and memory design on XB1 whereas PS4 should have no such issues.
Cost vs expected return (or cost to achieve) then comes into play: how much would it cost to rework the engine specific to XB1 and what real return is expected? Looking at current sales trends it's not hard to imagine the return not being worth the effort for PES. Maybe is MS offered to cover costs but they can't keep doing that and MS probably want to focus their team on titles like Destiny and Diablo.
I'd imagine if MGS V is 720p then MS might decide to offer free help but there's no way to know until it happens.
Of course the more XB1 games are seen to get extra effort just to come closer to or achieve parity the more devs will come under pressure from the larger PS4 base to put additional effort into pushing PS4 more so I could this scenario rinse/repeating throught the gen.
Duxxy3
Member
I think Mattrick was part of the conspiracy as well. He was sick of being stuck in Washington, so he gave the go ahead.
Black Mantis
Member
They can release a patch anytime they want, I wouldn't mind the wait.
pointless if you get 1080p60fps with screen tear (sniper elite style) than 720p with rock solid 60fps.
or maybe they'll chosse a weird resolutoin like 892p
Seems like someone is a little obsessed with me - oh dear
And seriously are you really showing me that benchmark test!! That was a joke
Exposed? Exposed.
I think that's as good as a confirmation that they removed the document. No one said they will work to increase the resolution.
Anything further is speculation.
Why is it a joke?
Yes, "obsessed." As in click your name, see the one page of posts you've ever made, and notice that they're all about the same fucking nonsense.
And now, witness the goal posts being moved - someone who has yet to even once explain any of his technical know-how suddenly trying to decry that a link from people who know more than him are not up to snuff.
I can list every technical analysis that has ever been made about the system - they all say the same thing, PS4 is 30%-50% more powerful overall. This is very significant.
They didn't use any benchmark tools .. its just an estimation based on the spec numbers
Lmaooooo facts are now jokes.... Oh my. Misterx will be proud of this spin. Objective
Its always the same tactic from these posters.
post some bullshit -> get called out -> discredit the one calling you out.
i dont even bother anymore.
one would I feel be fairly safe to surmise that for them to come back and say "actually it is staying at 720p after liaising with MS engineers" would be quite embarrassing for both parties
all this says to me is that they did not do as well as they could, that is not to portion blame and there may be some political motivation behind this... perhaps the MS consultation is now 'free'
Regardless I would be amazed it now stayed 720p, you don't call in the experts for no reason after all
And they never actually address the points brought up against them, it's either "time will tell" or "you're just picking on me" etc.
Please point out to me in the tweets where they are saying they are "calling in experts" or "liaising with MS engineers".
Slain.
But isn't cloud development kind of useless now since everyone is not connected online?
And what understanding of the architecture, that we don't already know, will change in the future that will help with these resolution differences with PS4?