I agree with both of you. This is one of the things I most dislike about how some gamers are. Exclusives tend to get overhyped (for obvious reasons), while multiplats generally get downplayed or only grudging recognition. I think that excellence should be celebrated wherever it is found.
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DF: Is Uncharted 4 the generational leap we were hoping for?
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I agree with both of you. This is one of the things I most dislike about how some gamers are. Exclusives tend to get overhyped (for obvious reasons), while multiplats generally get downplayed or only grudging recognition. I think that excellence should be celebrated wherever it is found.
Even the clothes look HEAVY, like they're made out of wool and have heft. I've never seen a game get clothing physics and weight anywhere in the same ballpark as The Order.
PLASTICA-MAN
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And they bend realistically wether by movement or by hitting a hard surface like the ground when crouching and they also have self collisions unlike many other games where clothes don't have self collisions.
IdreamofHIME
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Looked like Uncharted Remastered to me.
luca_29_bg
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yeah me too, it's incredible!
YatÅkiri_Kilgharrah
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Freudian slip.
Quick question. How many of you have actually played this game? Besides Grayskull over there?
OsirisBlack
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YatÅkiri_Kilgharrah
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The clothing physics are very good, but there is still a lot of work they need to do.
jacksepticeye
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Even the MOUSTACHES look heavy !!
PLASTICA-MAN
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Dat Steampunk era XD
MrJonnyBigBoss
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The reveal was a bit too over the top. That said, the gameplay demo was definitely something else.
Primethius
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Yatōkiri_Kilgharrah;142459564 said:
I haven't, but if you go into the Order PSX thread, you'll see a few Gaffers that have. But their impressions run contrary to yours.
HORRORSHØW
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such as? be specific, please.Yatōkiri_Kilgharrah;142460482 said:
I really think that the visuals in this demo are closer to that trailer than a lot of people give it credit for, the major change is at 30fps instead of 60.
This still is undoubtedly in the top tier of games I've seen on PS4 and still has a whole year left of development.
jacksepticeye
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Freddy Mercry DLC inbound
Primethius
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I agree. The actual cinematic shown at the end is pretty much the reveal (no differences that I can see).
The actual gameplay is also super clean IQ wise, which is really impressive.
Of all the things in the E3 video, the IQ was the most unlikely to me. To see that it's so close to that really makes me happy. The sheer amount of foliage and excellent draw distance is impressive too.
I'm also glad someone pointed out the deformation from bullets, the grappling hook, and destructible cover. Love details like that and cover not being a permanently safe space spices up gameplay quite a bit.
PLASTICA-MAN
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I love when subtle graphical effects aren't here just to look pretty but also to affect the gameplay too.
Primethius
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God yes, the foliage mixed with the excellent IQ really made the demo shine. Just seeing it come altogether was great but what really gets me everytime I rewatch it is when he gets shoved into the wall and water is dropping on him. Absolutely fantastic. ND and RAD and really killing it.
Astral Dog
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Yatōkiri_Kilgharrah;142454212 said:Well its hard for me to be impressed by a corridor shooter that from all appearances is less dynamic than Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, Vanquish or the Last of US.
Ready at Dawn isnt a great developer and any old person an make a corridor shooter and pump it with some mad high res textures and add visual effects will nilly in a haphazard manner then whittle down a bit when they hit performance blocks.
I picked an old game because its easier to understand what being technically impressive is. Starfox is especially a good example because its one of the first 3D games ever made. Dylan Cuthbert and his team did amazing work and there is a lot of material to read up on about it.
Would you rather I mentioned a PC game? PC's are scaleable hardware.
Tomb Raider and Crysis in 3D on PC are freaking gorgeous but they're not technically impressive. They're just really fucking good looking games.Anything that you can just throw more hardware power at isnt really something to be proud of. Technology will get there anyway. Technological Impressive games are the ones that come from or lead to innovations in how games are crafted and written.
Look at Cryengine. Its real easy to make a game that looks good in it, but its really not dynamic. It suffers from similar issues that Unreal 3 did. They're pretty restrictive.
CD Project Red, John Carmack,Conker 64, The folks Gaben buys out,internal and external Nintendo, hell even Capcom. These guys are the ones who've really broken through in terms of development.
People who like pushing hardware and getting creative in how they create and code these games. Perhaps we'll be able to add Guerrila games to the list. They're not so good at making FPS campaigns, and I have a feeling its not something they've wanted to do at all. Their new RPG is probably something they've wanted to do.
As for why I didnt pick a PS1 game for my example? Hmm those are mostly FMVs
lolYatōkiri_Kilgharrah;142450555 said:
I like the cut of you jib.
You fit well here, wil be a full member one day
CaptainofIndustry
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Don't know, game isn't finished.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
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Guys, guys, more importantly, since a "a lot of time has passed" between 3 and 4, would that make Elena a MILF? This is an important question on a serious gaming forum
DirgeExtinction
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You're arguing against someone that's actually PLAYED the game using your own impressions of what you've seen? Damn, son.Yatōkiri_Kilgharrah;142455799 said:
Yes, this is true, but the same thing is going to be true for 60fps as well. In order to achieve a solid 60fps the game is going to have to pump out an average framerate well above that. So we would still be talking about doubling the framerate. Unless of course they are really managing to hit around 50fps average right now and just capped it for consistency.
We simply don't know for sure. But if they really were that close to 60fps I think they would have felt pretty confident about hitting a solid 60fps by release and would have made it clear that 60fps will still be the final framerate for the game.
nelsonroyale
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Somebody needs to ask ND about the framerate. I am probably fine with a solid 30, but they outright came out at the reveal indicating they were going for 60. I am surprised this is not the focus over the visuals. Personally I think the visuals are pretty close to the reveal in the real time cutscene at the end. 30 vs 60 is obviously a big difference. Still it being totally solid at this stage is great.
Here's the Uncharted 3 announcement video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIOS_nLa-E I'd say the final game looked quite similar.
OsirisBlack
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Finally found an example of what I was talking about earlier. Look at the cloth physics and at Galahads feet as he scales down the Zeppelin. There is a lot of footage that you cannot see anywhere else in this video. http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/...+(HateTheGamer+-+GameTrailers.com+Videos+Hub)
Golgo 13
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Funny... I got blasted in the first Uncharted 4 gameplay thread for expressing my disappointment at the graphical downgrade. But now that DF has confirmed it, all the naysayers are like really, really quiet.
Anyway, yeah... The game looks good, but it definitely won't be the generational leap many of us were hoping for. Still gonna be a fun game, no doubt. I just expected to be blown away, and the released gameplay looks like a prettier Uncharted with some cool effects.
Anyway, yeah... The game looks good, but it definitely won't be the generational leap many of us were hoping for. Still gonna be a fun game, no doubt. I just expected to be blown away, and the released gameplay looks like a prettier Uncharted with some cool effects.
shadowsdarknes
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Stupid post! Hurray!
I agree. I always judge a game by the final product (when a game has gone gold), not when the games are at the pre-alpha, alpha, beta, etc. stages.
nelsonroyale
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Hehe, did you actually read it? They seem plenty impressed, but not as much as what they expected from the reveal footage. Your opinion was full of hyperbole in the other thread, so I don't think you should feel particularly vindicated. Game looks stunning. 'Generational leap' is the new nonsensical term. Killzone, Driveclub and Ryse are all generation leaps. Hell even Unity, technical mess though it is in parts, is. This definitely is as well. Whether it is a big leap over other top current gen games is a totally different question.
XxRampage07xX
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So the game is still at the very first stage of development. I'm wondering how the graphics will turn out in the retail build
Hidden One
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Personally I think The Order looks better than UC4 graphics wise. We'll see on UC4's release though.
Naughty_Doge
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So the game is still at the very first stage of development. I'm wondering how the graphics will turn out in the retail build
Some people would tell you it won't get any better or that it'll even look worse.
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No, they're all impressive. And they all do some things better than the others. You saying UC4 looks better than The Witcher 3 and ACU maxed out on PC is just more of the over-hype that some of us are talking about. I'm fully open to the possibility that the finished version of UC4 may look better to me overall than either of those games, but it also might go the other way. Like I said, they all look fantastic and have their own strengths and weaknesses.
What I've seen of UC4, while gorgeous, doesn't look better than ACU.
Agreed - many people are way too hasty with the opinion of a game that is still very much into development. The polish usually comes last, I would bet money that this game will look much better in the final build. People forget who's behind this game, so it seems.
My anticipation and hopes are very high for this game, I am sure we will be well pleased with the final results from Naughty Dog.
The Order has some of the most satisfying shooting I've ever experienced, and I say this from playing the 20-minute demo. Yes, it feels even better than Killzone Shadowfall (but to be fair, I wasn't a fan of Killzone).
But on topic, I think Uncharted is the best looking game out there, even with this early footage. Sure, other games may be better at certain things that are plainly evident in stills, but where Uncharted has them beat is where it counts most: the animation.
It doesn't really matter how great the textures look, the resolution, or even the lighting when everything animates like crap. Unity is good, but the glitchy animations and wonky physics completely shatters the illusion and reminds me that this is unquestionably a video game.
I've always felt that the animation in the Uncharted PS3 games was a bit jittery, especially when you jump and grab onto a ledge. There's a bit of jerkiness and stuttering between transitions, but in the UC4 demo, this has been all but eliminated. The animation blending and transitions into contextual scenarios (like the close up scuffle, or kicking the guy holding on to Drake's leg) is almost flawless.
If they kept the fidelity of the assets already in place, doubled the framerate, and added some per object motion blur, it would be the greatest graphical showpiece ever.
I'm not holding my breath on 60 fps though since they haven't remarked on it.
And the only downgrade I see is the framerate. Everything else is comparable. It's just the overcast lighting, the lack of wet shading, and the camera angle that's fooling people into thinking downgrade.
But on topic, I think Uncharted is the best looking game out there, even with this early footage. Sure, other games may be better at certain things that are plainly evident in stills, but where Uncharted has them beat is where it counts most: the animation.
It doesn't really matter how great the textures look, the resolution, or even the lighting when everything animates like crap. Unity is good, but the glitchy animations and wonky physics completely shatters the illusion and reminds me that this is unquestionably a video game.
I've always felt that the animation in the Uncharted PS3 games was a bit jittery, especially when you jump and grab onto a ledge. There's a bit of jerkiness and stuttering between transitions, but in the UC4 demo, this has been all but eliminated. The animation blending and transitions into contextual scenarios (like the close up scuffle, or kicking the guy holding on to Drake's leg) is almost flawless.
If they kept the fidelity of the assets already in place, doubled the framerate, and added some per object motion blur, it would be the greatest graphical showpiece ever.
I'm not holding my breath on 60 fps though since they haven't remarked on it.
And the only downgrade I see is the framerate. Everything else is comparable. It's just the overcast lighting, the lack of wet shading, and the camera angle that's fooling people into thinking downgrade.
No, they're all impressive. And they all do some things better than the others. You saying UC4 looks better than The Witcher 3 and ACU maxed out on PC is just more of the over-hype that some of us are talking about. I'm fully open to the possibility that the finished version of UC4 may look better to me overall than either of those games, but it also might go the other way. Like I said, they all look fantastic and have their own strengths and weaknesses.
What I've seen of UC4, while gorgeous, doesn't look better than ACU.
Again folks - you are basing a game that is out now to a game that is still very much in heavy development. Give it time folks...hold your opinions when the game is finished, then comparing it to other games that are already out will be fair.
scoobs
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... Uncharted... niche? What?
TheGuardian
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As amazing as ACU and the Order look, I think uncharted's issues is more that the single area we've seen so far is less given to visual spectacle than the rich locations in the other two games. I have no doubt that naughty dog has some great tech pushing everything, they just need to show something like the temples/villages in previous games before we can draw comparisons.
The Artisan
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It wouldn't have been disappointing if the entire demo looked like the E3 teaser.
JordanN
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I don't think the vegetation comes anywhere close to UC4. It feels a gen behind with what looks like low poly plants/trees hiding behind textured alphas.What I've seen of UC4, while gorgeous, doesn't look better than ACU.
UC4 seems to be a mix of real plant life geometry and textures that's still being rendered into the far distance in addition to stuff like the leaves casting specular reflections.
However, the other two shots you posted do come close (or look better) than UC4. The last pic in particular, appears to be doing HDR/tone mapping which is very good.
I've already voiced my opinion that I didn't find UC4 that impressive when they showed the actual gameplay footage, but looking at the massive improvement Drive Club made over time and looking at Naughty Dog's track record, I'm sure this will be very visually impressive when it comes out.
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