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All I want is a hint on whether vergil will have a campaign or not..
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Vergil teased for DMC4:SE! (Also, DmC Definitive Edition trailer)
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Hot damn.
I remember having my expectations so low for DMC3 when it came out thanks to DMC2. Saying my mind was blown by 3 is an understatement, it's more like my mind experienced the big bang.
I sincerely doubt it. It'd be hamfisted, if so, using the same environments.
I would love to be wrong, by the way.
Heh, now, THAT is a throwback.
Good old college days and how someone shared this vid with me over irc!
Man I love pre-release hype and speculation.
When we first saw that trailer no one actually expected that the cutscene with Dante about to get hit by the rocks was him acquiring Quicksilver... we just thought it was Dante being a bad ass.
Also the scene with the guy with purple lightning around him everyone thought that was Dante acquiring the lightning guitar weapon for the first time. It was actually Arkham gaining power of Sparda.
Fun, fun times.
When we first saw that trailer no one actually expected that the cutscene with Dante about to get hit by the rocks was him acquiring Quicksilver... we just thought it was Dante being a bad ass.
Also the scene with the guy with purple lightning around him everyone thought that was Dante acquiring the lightning guitar weapon for the first time. It was actually Arkham gaining power of Sparda.
Fun, fun times.
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I wouldn't care if it was just vergil replaying Dante's campaign, but I know many people would claim this is lazy and as a result capcom probably wouldn't do it.. sigh..
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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I hope they add back the guitar weapon (Nevan?).
Even though it was kinda of a limited utility secondary weapon I just loved it so fucking much. Probably my favorite weapon from a character action game.
Even though it was kinda of a limited utility secondary weapon I just loved it so fucking much. Probably my favorite weapon from a character action game.
And here, I'm just wishing that they'd bring Alastor back.
Ever since DMC3 retconned it so that Rebellion was always Dante's "signature weapon", it's made me sad. Da
te Masamune from BASARA, and now a Felyne from MonHun, have been using Alastor more than Dante has in the last few years!Maybe since Vergil wouldn't have access to Force Edge anymore, he could put Alastor to use, instead. Only fair, since Dante's been cribbing his Style...
We are asking for retro weapons now? Capcom has never really done that for DMC, the only thing they have done that is like this was in the Onimusha series.
The only 3-4 weapons that should come back are A&R, Cerberus, Nevan and maybe Artemis/Spiral. Mostly because the other weapons have their analogues already present in the game.
If anything I don't want them to bring back old weapons just so that they can give Dante more weapons. Put in weapons to give Nero or Vergil... not Dante.
Alastor was never Dante's "signature" weapon. Dante started out with Force Edge so that has more priority over Alastor. Alastor was a weapon he acquired in his journey like Ifrit.
At the ending of DMC1 Dante is wearing some generic sword which if you follow DMC3 canon he should be using Rebellion. It can't be Force Edge because Trish is using that even though the hilt clearly matches that of Force Edge. You can go either way on what that sword should really be, it could be Alastor or Rebellion.
So DMC1 really messed up its own canon with that scene which DMC3 has to correct by making Rebellion the sword that Dante uses in that scene (the weapon he already had in his shop).
The only 3-4 weapons that should come back are A&R, Cerberus, Nevan and maybe Artemis/Spiral. Mostly because the other weapons have their analogues already present in the game.
If anything I don't want them to bring back old weapons just so that they can give Dante more weapons. Put in weapons to give Nero or Vergil... not Dante.
Alastor was never Dante's "signature" weapon. Dante started out with Force Edge so that has more priority over Alastor. Alastor was a weapon he acquired in his journey like Ifrit.
At the ending of DMC1 Dante is wearing some generic sword which if you follow DMC3 canon he should be using Rebellion. It can't be Force Edge because Trish is using that even though the hilt clearly matches that of Force Edge. You can go either way on what that sword should really be, it could be Alastor or Rebellion.
So DMC1 really messed up its own canon with that scene which DMC3 has to correct by making Rebellion the sword that Dante uses in that scene (the weapon he already had in his shop).
If I had to pick one retro weapon to bring back it would probably be a neck and neck race between Agni/Rudra and Nevan mainly because they are probably the two most unique weapons in Dante's arsenal IMO.
BeautifulMemory
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Ifrit would be cool if it makes a return and mixed moves with Beowulf. Love that flame, especially when jumping
TheBanditKing
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Basically confirmed in this trailer at the end:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MruA6AfRpU&feature=youtu.be
Im in for this, hopefully not digital only
Edit - Yeah, Alastor I don't think was ever his "signature" weapon in DMC1. However I think it was the most commonly used weapon in the game.
A tweaked Nevan would be my pick too because it's the most "Dante" weapon in the franchise as far as I'm concerned. Dante will show you up so hard that he can kill you with rock and roll.
If Agni and Rudra would someday return I'd want them to bicker back and forth a lot more while Dante fights with them.
A tweaked Nevan would be my pick too because it's the most "Dante" weapon in the franchise as far as I'm concerned. Dante will show you up so hard that he can kill you with rock and roll.
If Agni and Rudra would someday return I'd want them to bicker back and forth a lot more while Dante fights with them.
Vergil could never get to use the Sparda sword because then Dante would never be able to beat Vergil.
After that the game would have to come up with some extra transformation that allows Dante to SURPASS Sparda's power (like a DDT) in order to beat Vergil... in which case there's no point in getting Sparda's power as both Dante and Vergil would be able to surpass that power by themselves.
I kinda want that to happen just so that the Sparda sword/power isn't the go to plot device for every single DMC game.
Dante lets Trish use the Sparda sword because otherwise everything would be an even bigger joke than it already is.
After that the game would have to come up with some extra transformation that allows Dante to SURPASS Sparda's power (like a DDT) in order to beat Vergil... in which case there's no point in getting Sparda's power as both Dante and Vergil would be able to surpass that power by themselves.
I kinda want that to happen just so that the Sparda sword/power isn't the go to plot device for every single DMC game.
Dante lets Trish use the Sparda sword because otherwise everything would be an even bigger joke than it already is.
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I was never very good with Nevan, Agni & Rudra were always my weapons of choice alongside Rebellion in DMC3.
But Alastor was the weapon that Dante was seen in most art for DMC1, including the game's box art. It was also used in the original commercials for the first game.
Even ignoring Dante's appearance in the PS2 port of Viewtiful Joe (where he was again using Alastor), Kamiya has always puts emphasis on having Dante and Alastor together. You could see that on some of the tweets he's made in the last few years like here, here and here.
Whatever happened after Itsuno came into the series is one thing. But it seems safe to presume that Kamiya intended for Alastor to be Dante's signature weapon. And anything that truly honors Dante's original appearance (like SB4 and MH4's DLC) seems to fall in line with that.
Ulysses 31
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Where that PC version announcement at?
Or is the current PC version already vastely supperior to the PS360 versions? =P
SargerusBR
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Rebellion + Beowulf + E&I is the GOAT combo
If we are going to use the box art excuse then you might as well say that the Shotgun is Dante's signature firearm:
Box art is just going to use the coolest thing available and in that regard Alastor is definitely the coolest sword that Dante has but it's not his "signature". Signature means that he has to be using it for the majority of his life time and there's no indication that Alastor is that weapon.
Also I never really buy anything Kamiya says especially on Twitter and especially in regard to DMC1, a game already so filled with plotholes. If Alastor is "Dante's real pal" why the hell is he using Force Edge at the end of DMC1?
Rebellion was made in order to actually give Dante this signature sword which he lacked before. It might not be the flashiest sword but at least it has remained consistent throughout various DMC media. I also like that the Rebellion's transformation was tied to Dante's own transformation... that give Rebellion more character than your standard devil arms.
Box art is just going to use the coolest thing available and in that regard Alastor is definitely the coolest sword that Dante has but it's not his "signature". Signature means that he has to be using it for the majority of his life time and there's no indication that Alastor is that weapon.
Also I never really buy anything Kamiya says especially on Twitter and especially in regard to DMC1, a game already so filled with plotholes. If Alastor is "Dante's real pal" why the hell is he using Force Edge at the end of DMC1?
Rebellion was made in order to actually give Dante this signature sword which he lacked before. It might not be the flashiest sword but at least it has remained consistent throughout various DMC media. I also like that the Rebellion's transformation was tied to Dante's own transformation... that give Rebellion more character than your standard devil arms.
Honestly I think DMC4 Dante is already more powerful than Sparda.
DMC3 is Dante and Vergil trying to reach their father's level of power.
DMC1 is Dante actually reaching and probably passing that level.
DMC4 is Dante knowing he's the boss and being swag about it.
This is why DMC5 I think needs to go the route of either introducing Prime Demons more powerful than Mundus or have Heaven/God become the next enemy for Dante.
SargerusBR
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I think Dante in the end of DMC1 and in DMC4 has the same power level as Sparda. And Nero with potential to surpass both.
No way is DMC4 Dante stronger than Sparda.
DMC1 Dante needed the power of Sparda to combat Mundus... without the sword he was done just like Vergil.
Sparda's sword allows Dante to even fight at the same dimension as Mundus. Without that Dante would've just died to being skewered by his 3 eyes attack (which once Dante activated Sparda was easily reflected like it was nothing).
Mundus was MIND CONTROLLING Vergil who was almost as powerful as DMC1 Dante (remember he gave DMC1 Dante a whooping in their first fight). There is no way that DMC1 power leveled so much in the course of DMC1's event to go from being fodder vs Mundus to beating him without the help of the Sparda sword.
DMC1 Dante needed the power of Sparda to combat Mundus... without the sword he was done just like Vergil.
Sparda's sword allows Dante to even fight at the same dimension as Mundus. Without that Dante would've just died to being skewered by his 3 eyes attack (which once Dante activated Sparda was easily reflected like it was nothing).
Mundus was MIND CONTROLLING Vergil who was almost as powerful as DMC1 Dante (remember he gave DMC1 Dante a whooping in their first fight). There is no way that DMC1 power leveled so much in the course of DMC1's event to go from being fodder vs Mundus to beating him without the help of the Sparda sword.
Possibly. Is there any canon knowledge about what Dante was doing between DMC1 and DMC4 (besides the anime)? It's likely that in the time between Dante probably got a tad bit stronger.
I thought that was Dante just straight up getting pissed and going Demon Super Saiyan? I always interpreted the final act of DMC1 as Sparda awakening because Dante had reached a certain level of power that awoke the sword, and Mundus killing Trish just simply sent Dante into full Demon mode. I always interpreted it as Dante reaching his potential, not Sparda's power roiding him up.
I dunno I think Dante is beyond what the power of the sword gave him to beat Mundus, its like Goku using Kaioken then getting Super Saiyan, it makes it redundant.
But having the sword could be a "what if" situation rather than real plot.
For even more DBZ references, have Mundus show up in Fortuna, only to be effortlessly sliced to pieces by Nero just to show how much power has changed.
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I never liked using A&R much honestly. Beowulf was fucking sweet though. I remember not liking the DMC4 analogue as much for some reason though.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
"Oh my god! How many new games had to get cancelled to re-release this?
This must have been a HUGE resource drain!"
This must have been a HUGE resource drain!"
yes, this was major sarcasm
Found Gilgamesh pretty badass personally, with the face mask and the steam/jet releasing when charged. Not to mention the two levels of just-frame releases.
Sparda's sword allowed Dante to hold permanent flight in fucking space, summon giant dragon, have a sword length the size of a small building and throw out meteor fireballs with impunity.
The power level difference is appreciable not only in the story but in game play as well. If they let you play with DT Sparda through DMC the game would be a joke. Actually it IS a joke because there's a Gameshark code that lets you do that.
The only thing that came close was DMC2 Dante's DDT. That power was close to resembling what DMC1 Sparda DT was capable of but that mechanic was not available to Dante in DMC4 so I am firmly in the camp that Dante has not yet achieved Sparda's power level by himself.
The power level difference is appreciable not only in the story but in game play as well. If they let you play with DT Sparda through DMC the game would be a joke. Actually it IS a joke because there's a Gameshark code that lets you do that.
The only thing that came close was DMC2 Dante's DDT. That power was close to resembling what DMC1 Sparda DT was capable of but that mechanic was not available to Dante in DMC4 so I am firmly in the camp that Dante has not yet achieved Sparda's power level by himself.
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Capcom has to be making actual games in order to cancel them :lol
The Silver
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I wonder what demon the Lucifer weapon came from was like, you'd think someone called Lucifer would be a big deal but apparently he already got beaten and turned into a devil arm.
In the DMC universe there is no more powerful demon than Mundus who already died back in 2001.
The strongest entities in DMC are the following:
Sparda
Blood of Sparda wielding power of Sparda
Mundus
Despair Embodied
Argosax the Chaos
Everything else is in irrelevant camp. If we want to start ranking the demons then Belial would be next and after that all the demons that had a beef with Sparda (Beowulf, Phantom, Bolverk etc) ie the generals of the underworld.
The strongest entities in DMC are the following:
Sparda
Blood of Sparda wielding power of Sparda
Mundus
Despair Embodied
Argosax the Chaos
Everything else is in irrelevant camp. If we want to start ranking the demons then Belial would be next and after that all the demons that had a beef with Sparda (Beowulf, Phantom, Bolverk etc) ie the generals of the underworld.
That's not to say this can't be retconned. Mundus is the most powerful being that we know. There could always be some ancient being, ancient even by the standards of Mundus, that could rise up.
Oh yea of course I am talking about from the characters we know.
The series desperately needs characters stronger than Mundus. Dante needs to be put to the test...
And THEN he can style on fools.
In addition, this all hinges on how canonical DMC2 is. Stuff like Despair Embodied is actually a very strong character because he is probably the closeest to Mundus tier but again Sparda whooped him too (this time he had help from Vie de Marli).
If Despair Embodied is around as strong as Mundus and Sparda yet Dante beat him without using the Sparda sword than DMC2 Dante is probably the strongest character in the canon but again... it's fucking DMC2.
The series desperately needs characters stronger than Mundus. Dante needs to be put to the test...
And THEN he can style on fools.
In addition, this all hinges on how canonical DMC2 is. Stuff like Despair Embodied is actually a very strong character because he is probably the closeest to Mundus tier but again Sparda whooped him too (this time he had help from Vie de Marli).
If Despair Embodied is around as strong as Mundus and Sparda yet Dante beat him without using the Sparda sword than DMC2 Dante is probably the strongest character in the canon but again... it's fucking DMC2.
The logical thing to assume was that it was a likely a glitch/gross oversight, especially since Trish with Sparda was indeed right there. Not unlike how he pointed out the glitch that's present for the cutscene where Dante blows Mundus away.
"Sometimes, a glitch is just a glitch."
The Silver
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How the heck did all those demons fight Sparda and live anyway?
Sparda could flex his arm and kill guys like Beowulf, were they his friends and he didn't want to kill them? Was he in a rush and was just blowing past fools? Did he think they were so beneath him he didn't even bother finishing them off?
We need that Sparda game.
Sparda could flex his arm and kill guys like Beowulf, were they his friends and he didn't want to kill them? Was he in a rush and was just blowing past fools? Did he think they were so beneath him he didn't even bother finishing them off?
We need that Sparda game.
Itsuno's involvement with DMC4:SE got me thinking. I'm sure he's working on other projects as well, but the fact that he seems to be in charge of this undertaking gives me a lot of hope. I could totally see Itsuno really wanting to take the time to refine and expand on the original work considering how rushed the first effort was, and how it is now competing with DmC in terms of features.
What team was handling the REmake HD? Even Ultra wasn't directly handled by Ono, was it?
What team was handling the REmake HD? Even Ultra wasn't directly handled by Ono, was it?
If we go by the DMC2 canon then The Despair Embodied is stated as being "the most powerful and malevolent demon master that ever existed"... who Sparda trounced and sealed away. He did the same to Mundus. This would also make DMC2 Dante the strongest there is and almost on par with Sparda himself (especially when factor in DDT)... but again, it's fucking DMC2.
Characters like Bolverk, Beowulf etc. considered themselves rivals to Sparda but that was more of a "if I beat him I will be strongest there is". Sparda probably considered them insects and just toyed with them like Dante would. He was obviously kind of a good guy so that's why he didn't kill them. Remember that fucking Vergil two shotted Beowulf in a cutscene... these demons are small fry for the Sparda lineage.
I guess we just have different interpretations of it.
IMO DMC1 foreshadows Dante reaching his father's power level even before the Sparda sword awakens. Like when Dante kills Phantom and Phantom momentarily gets a glimpse of Dante's full demon form, which we end up seeing later on after he gets pissed when Mundus kills Trish. I always viewed it as the son becoming the father, not the father becoming the son, which is why Force Edge didn't transform into Sparda until Dante seemingly reached a certain level of strength.
Granted, DMC3 and DMC4 do kind of potentially retcon (or just clarify) this by saying that Sparda's sword transfers power to whomever wields it. Which is why Akrham suddenly becomes a demon after grasping it and why Sanctus gets strong from it.
If there's one thing I want Devil May Cry to borrow from Bayonetta, it's the "power levels be damned" mindset. Bayonetta 1 escalates to the point where you are basically punching a god into the sun and Bayonetta 2 has boss fights that escalate to comically huge proportions without a second thought. I think Uncle Dante would be so entertaining in situations like that.
The Silver
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Hell is really aching for a good leader, Berial was Mundus's "successor" and he got beat by a straight up noob in Nero.
The talent pool in hell sucks, it's like they lost John Cena and now they have no one.
The talent pool in hell sucks, it's like they lost John Cena and now they have no one.
This is why I'd want DMC5 to go the "Dante/Nero/Vergil/Trish vs God" route. Demons and Hell need a game off in order to regroup and come back as a believable threat.
Except that the form that Phantom sees of Dante is not his own form it's Sparda's form. And even when Dante transforms with the Sparda sword that's not his DT that's Sparda DT which he got from the Sparda sword.
If this was true then DMC4 Dante would've had Sparda's DT without the Sparda sword but he doesn't... he has an evolved form of his own DT.
Characters like Phantom/Bolverk/Beowulf have probably never seen the full scope of Sparda's power to really judge. When they got whooped by Dante they were like "oh he beat me he really IS a son of Sparda" when in fact they themselves weren't that strong to begin with.
I do not believe that DMC1 Dante could've beaten Mundus without the powers given to him by the Sparda sword. If he could then there would've been no point in acquiring the Sparda sword to begin with. There would be no big deal over acquiring both the amulets and Force Edge.
Now do I believe that DMC2 Dante could've beaten Mundus? Possibly however there has to be a game in between 4 & 2 that explains the power difference and how Dante attains his more powerful DT and particularly his DDT form. The DDT form that he has in the game is equivalent to Sparda's power but he doesn't have that in DMC4. Once he achieves it then I believe he achieves godlike power of Mundus/Sparda. But again... if he can achieve that power without the Sparda sword... why is Vergil wasting time getting the Sparda sword to begin with? I feel that DMC5 should address that and have Vergil most post acquiring Sparda sword and try to achieve this mystical DDT form by himself.
Also the DDT form for those who are unfamiliar:
Compared to the normal DT in the game (which is more in line with DMC3/DMC4):
Think of it like X factor in DMC2. When Dante has low health you can turn on DT and you get this way more powerful transformation instead and it wipes out bosses in seconds. Has moves similar to Sparda DT in DMC1 where he just spams fireballs, has very extended hit boxes and can fly.
If this was true then DMC4 Dante would've had Sparda's DT without the Sparda sword but he doesn't... he has an evolved form of his own DT.
Characters like Phantom/Bolverk/Beowulf have probably never seen the full scope of Sparda's power to really judge. When they got whooped by Dante they were like "oh he beat me he really IS a son of Sparda" when in fact they themselves weren't that strong to begin with.
I do not believe that DMC1 Dante could've beaten Mundus without the powers given to him by the Sparda sword. If he could then there would've been no point in acquiring the Sparda sword to begin with. There would be no big deal over acquiring both the amulets and Force Edge.
Now do I believe that DMC2 Dante could've beaten Mundus? Possibly however there has to be a game in between 4 & 2 that explains the power difference and how Dante attains his more powerful DT and particularly his DDT form. The DDT form that he has in the game is equivalent to Sparda's power but he doesn't have that in DMC4. Once he achieves it then I believe he achieves godlike power of Mundus/Sparda. But again... if he can achieve that power without the Sparda sword... why is Vergil wasting time getting the Sparda sword to begin with? I feel that DMC5 should address that and have Vergil most post acquiring Sparda sword and try to achieve this mystical DDT form by himself.
Also the DDT form for those who are unfamiliar:
Compared to the normal DT in the game (which is more in line with DMC3/DMC4):
Think of it like X factor in DMC2. When Dante has low health you can turn on DT and you get this way more powerful transformation instead and it wipes out bosses in seconds. Has moves similar to Sparda DT in DMC1 where he just spams fireballs, has very extended hit boxes and can fly.