Sales are undoubtedly above 8.6 million but I doubt that sales have exceeded 10 million yet. I would put the range somewhere at 9-9.7 million.Another way of saying it is this.
3.0m sold in 2013
USA: 1.8m
ROW: 1.2m
2013 to 2014 ratio
USA 1800k = 4400k (x3.0)
UK 364k = +1100k (x3.0+)
FRA 126k = 416k (x3.3)
GER 100k = 270k+ (x2.7)
In 2014, sales across 4 markets increased 3x as much compared to 2013.
USA from 1.8m to 4.4m.
If we apply that to the 1.2m for ROW then we get 3.6m
Add that together and we get 11m. Now that's just an extreme example. But it shows that sales in 2014 for X1 (in ROW) will be higher than sales in 2013 which just accounted for two months, especially when you consider 26 new markets got X1 as well in 2014.
Even just keeping the same number of sales for ROW in 2013 (1.2m) for 2014 would show a minimum of 8.6m sold through, but we've already shown how sales are higher than that using just the UK, USA, GER, FRA and Japan. So no doubt sales will be more than 8.6m and closer to 10m if not exceeding.
This shit's hilarious.The best evidence is half of GAF members trying to do a simple math through countless pages to figure out the real sold numbers where there's nothing more than "almost 10 mi shipped" plus "18,5mi sold-through" equals "nearly 30 million shipped"...
There are actually morons here that are arguing against official sales numbers? This is a waste of time...
you think it's okay?
apparently though, he's not the only individual who thinks something is off about sony's numbers.
This shit's hilarious.
We don't have to figure out anything. Sony comes out and tells us PS4's sales numbers. You really think they would lie to the public? To their shareholders? That's some paranoid shit.
Of course they didn't lie to their shareholders nor the public. But the shareholders know best what "sold-through" means!
Of course they didn't lie to their shareholders nor the public. But the shareholders know best what "sold-through" means!
There are actually morons here that are arguing against official sales numbers? This is a waste of time...
I guess gaf's gonna run that joke into the ground. But No, I meant crapgamer possibly making others believe in his conspiracy theories.They are ok. These are official sell through figures. Why are we going around in circles?
(Unless you mean Sony forgot to factor in the 1% of population in China buying PS4?)
No not me. but from the looks of some other posters in this thread.So, you believe some crazed fanboy's interpretation of sales over an international company's official sales report that is most likely accumulated and processed through a ton of third-parties?
Lol
Yeah, I suppose you're right. No true need to continue giving his video and beliefs attention.I find it funny. But it's a trivial issue. People are entitled to believe whatever they want, even if what they hold to be true is the exact opposite of that. They are just not interesting to discuss...
When is Microsoft suppose to release their Q4 report?
Monday at 6pm EST(?).
Just two days from now?
Just two days from now?
Those 28 countries are kinda tiny, so no, it seems unlikely they would roughly equal the other 8. Don't forget, a lot of those countries were originally scheduled to be part of Tier 1, but they didn't make the cut like Spain did, where they've likely sold a total of like 60k over 14 months.400k-500k in a 5-6 week period. Sales jumped in the UK thanks to bundles and a price drop. Also that 1 million number was announced before Black Friday, and there was news that both the PS4 and Xbox One sales doubled on that day. Then you factor in December, 400k is doable. 500k is sorta stretching it. Also it doesn't matter if the PS4 was outselling the Xbox One in December.
At the bold, are you assuming that during a 4 month period, which includes launch month, 1 off month, and 2 holiday months, 28 countries would not add 400k-500k sales, when 8 countries back in 2013 with only 2 months did 558k combined?
Bish sez: "I understand your emotional investment - but it was four dudes, from multiple districts, with screenshots and stubs to back it up.900k unsold can be attributed to MS thinking that more people would buy the system at launch, and the demand wouldn't fall. Also, we only have word about one DC having ~3k units sitting in the US, and German retailers are having trouble selling the console after Christmas. Those two situations don't tell us what every other country is experiencing. It's actually unlikely that MS would have more than 1 million units unsold, because unlike in 2013, they would know what kind of demand the console has.
What I'm saying is, your argument is that 10.3M sold through is "entirely possible." Sure, it's possible. You're also saying that 8.7M is entirely possible, though not nearly as emphatically. My argument is that while both numbers fall within the realm of possibility, neither are bloody likely.And we already know that in 2014 there was at least 5.7m units sold through in 2014 in 5 out of the ~40 or so regions MS launched X1 in. add that to the 3.0m for 2013 and you're already at 8.7m without accounting for an additional 35 or so regions in 2014. And I'd fully expect sales in 2014 for ROW to be higher than sales in 2013 for ROW so that means that I'd say at a bare minimum we're talking 9.3m+. But to be safe I'm only really saying 8.7m is the number we have without estimating anything else.
What I actually think and can see evidence for is 10m+ sold through at this point.
Yeah.
We'll be able to make some educated extrapolation by then whether or not AMD's 'nearly 30 million' is them saying it out of knowledge of actual shipment, or just using publicly available figures.
Too bad it'll most be a 'guess' only because chances of "Xbox Family" figures are pretty high.
I just bought mine today and I totally regret it. Realized I didn't want to buy any games for it... yet... please blood borne redeem my purchase.
Yup.
But chances are they'll combine Xbox One and Xbox 360 shipments which will make it impossible for us to 100% accurately assess how well the Xbox One did in 2014.
Of course they didn't lie to their shareholders nor the public. But the shareholders know best what "sold-through" means!
You do realize that in a few weeks Sony is going to do their quarterly reports, right? And that they give their shipped numbers there, right? And that their shipped number will be significantly higher than their sell through to consumers number of 18.5 million and this will paint you into a corner because you are claiming the numbers are the same, right?
.Ehhh, return it then.
Those 28 countries are kinda tiny, so no, it seems unlikely they would roughly equal the other 8. Don't forget, a lot of those countries were originally scheduled to be part of Tier 1, but they didn't make the cut like Spain did, where they've likely sold a total of like 60k over 14 months.
I guess my point is that while there's a good chance I'm underestimating not-US, I think there's a good chance you guys are overestimating it.
America represents at least 60% of Xbox 360 install base so yeah about 2/3.no, I'm fairly sure you are underestimating it if you honestly think the US suddenly crawled up to like 2/3 of total sales not just YTD, but LTD
America represents at least 60% of Xbox 360 install base so yeah about 2/3.
America represents at least 60% of Xbox 360 install base so yeah about 2/3.
Those 28 countries are kinda tiny, so no, it seems unlikely they would roughly equal the other 8. Don't forget, a lot of those countries were originally scheduled to be part of Tier 1, but they didn't make the cut like Spain did, where they've likely sold a total of like 60k over 14 months.
I guess my point is that while there's a good chance I'm underestimating not-US, I think there's a good chance you guys are overestimating it.
What I'm saying is, your argument is that 10.3M sold through is "entirely possible." Sure, it's possible. You're also saying that 8.7M is entirely possible, though not nearly as emphatically. My argument is that while both numbers fall within the realm of possibility, neither are bloody likely.
If I say that something in the 9.3M-9.7M range seems like a reasonable guess given their likely shipments and apparently slow sales outside the US, you just come back with, "No, no, no! 10.3M is entirely possible!!" If I countered everyone's best guess with, "8.7M is entirely possible," would you feel like I was being a tad misleading?
That's why I've been suggesting working the problem from the other direction, while it's possible MS sold 10.3M, it's unlikely, given that they likely shipped around 10.5M. Maybe they shipped 10.7M, leaving Sony with merely 19.3M shipped and 800k unsold, but again, what reason do we have to think that Sony are sitting on twice as much unsold stock as MS? Retail musings seem to indicate the opposite, if anything.
Do you see where I'm coming from? You seem to be calculating their optimal performance, and then using it as some kind of baseline, and completely ignoring any potential ramifications on stock levels.
Bish said that in early December, XB1 was at 8.3-8.5 million sold-though WW. XB1 sold 1.3 million in December NPD, between November 29th and this "early December" date XB1 should have sold 100k-300k units so that leaves 1.0-1.2 million unit for the rest of December NPD tracking period.
So ignoring sales from RoTW in the month of December, XBO is 9.7-9.3 million sold.
Instead of all this arguing back and forth, we should all resolve this unnecessary sexual tension
with an avatar bet.
Instead of all this arguing back and forth, we should all resolve this unnecessary sexual tension with an avatar bet.
k.
6.2/9.3= .6666666667Bish said that in early December, XB1 was at 8.3-8.5 million sold-though WW. XB1 sold 1.3 million in December NPD, between November 29th and this "early December" date XB1 should have sold 100k-300k units so that leaves 1.0-1.2 million unit for the rest of December NPD tracking period.
So ignoring sales from RoTW in the month of December, XBO is 9.7-9.3 million sold.
6.2/9.3= .6666666667
or 2/3
just saying
6.2/9.3= .6666666667
or 2/3
just saying
Okay, so let's assume for a moment their sell through was 10M at the end of 2014. What would you estimate their sell in to be for the same period?But it's not hard to see that 10m units sold through to end users can be a reality when you consider that it took 5 regions (out of 39) to sell through 5.7m units this year when 13 regions only sold through 3m last year.
Instead of all this arguing back and forth, we should all resolve this unnecessary sexual tension with an avatar bet.
e-gamer, I got your back.
They launched in an additional 29 countries in 2014. The total would be 42.But it's not hard to see that 10m units sold through to end users can be a reality when you consider that it took 5 regions (out of 39) to sell through 5.7m units this year when 13 regions only sold through 3m last year.
Instead of all this arguing back and forth, we should all resolve this unnecessary sexual tension with an avatar bet.
e-gamer, I got your back.
They launched in an additional 29 countries in 2014. The total would be 42.
Thanks for the correction.
I wasn't sure myself to be honest but knew it was more than 26.
Not that those extra 3 countries matter though haha.
I just bought mine today and I totally regret it. Realized I didn't want to buy any games for it... yet... please blood borne redeem my purchase.
we know the split is 60/40 with the USA/ROTW. 40% of 1.3 million is only 520k. This is best case scenario and it still falls short of 10million. So.... unless can show a major bump in sales besides the UK....I think you missed the part where I said "ignoring sales from RoTW in the month of December". XB1 sold more than 9.3 millions, most likely more than 10.0 millions.
Okay, so let's assume for a moment their sell through was 10M at the end of 2014. What would you estimate their sell in to be for the same period?
we know the split is 60/40 with the USA/ROTW. 40% of 1.3 million is only 520k. This is best case scenario and it still falls short of 10million. So.... unless can show a major bump in sales besides the UK....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sell-throughOf course they didn't lie to their shareholders nor the public. But the shareholders know best what "sold-through" means!
In the home video industry, sell-through simply refers to consumer sales. That is, units which are sold directly to consumers, rather than to stores that rent them out.