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PS4's AF issue we need answers!
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You know right they could fixed the LOD because probably the grass flickering from this distance? That's very pretentious use a single shot to talk of reduced LOD.
I don't know even someone could consider this a case. We need of more evidence at least.
Are you even reading what I'm typing? Yeah, a couple of the ground textures are kind of close in the lower left, but you can see the entire perspective of everything is different between the two because the character isn't standing in the same place. The character is standing in a different place and therefore the camera is pointing in a slightly different direction to try and line landmarks up. Unless you want to suggest they also made the tree, the fence and the end of the concrete wall smaller with the patch too, then I'll take the actual measurable difference in size I saw myself, and the statement from the person who made the screenshot, as evidence enough.
If you want to keep arguing about it go ahead. This is silly.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
G'damn not 180p!
The cracks in the asphalt on the left are lining up too well for him to be several feet back; the camera is positioned a little different. The cracks would be farther up the road if he was several feet back. He may be slightly enough back that the LOD hasn't kicked in for the grass, I guess.
I'm not saying anything about the game, AF or LOD, other than that picture doesn't show a difference of several feet back.
Why do you keep posting images in 720p?
Congratulations, you've made me spend more time on this than I cared to.The cracks in the asphalt on the left are lining up to well for him to be several feet back; the camera is positioned a little different. The cracks would be farther up the road if he was several feet back. He may be slightly enough back that the LOD hasn't kicked in for the grass, I guess.
I'm not anything about the game, AF or LOD, other than that picture doesn't show a difference of several feet back.
In this video I made, unlike your schizophrenic gif, you can clearly see how when lined up properly, the items in the background are farther back. You can literally see the trees/fence/cars/concrete wall get smaller and farther as it fades back and forth. I don't know what else I can do beyond that.
Well the ESRAM is too small to do everything so really all the devs can do with it is stuff that is the most bandwidth critical which does not include AF so in the end it ends up getting the data from the DDR3 anyway and if your theory was correct it would run into performance issues. Besides in essence Xbox One has 3 clients vying for DDR3 memory bandwidth, CPU, GPU and ESRAM. The PS4 only has 2 clients which are CPU and GPU so contention on the bus will be lower on the PS4 if the ESRAM is being updated constantly, which it would need to be with texture data.
Speculation is fine if it is grounded in reality but just talking nonsense and calling it speculation is not. There are many simpler explanations for the lack of AF in PS4 games and they pretty much boil down to a setting being overlooked in the API, a wonky porting tool or maybe a default driver setting difference between the platforms.
To my eyes the shot with worst FOD seems caused to the different distance but the 'weird' persepective give the wrong impression to be same of the other before the patch, I noticed that after to seen the video . Really I don't know where coming from this new 'case'. I have the suspect too many people are more interested to prove at all costs the xbone has a sort of mystical advantage in his hardware configuration than to discuss seriously of the real issue in the ps4 porting. And, frankly, I don't understood how the combination of the ddr3 and esram could give a sort of advantage without a most powerful cpu.
I'm not saying anything about the game, AF or LOD, other than that picture doesn't show a difference of several feet back.
You know your right on closer inspection, the angle had me fooled it looks pretty close.
Damn, the site i used for hosting must downgrade the pics. The source files are 1080p.
BONKERS
Member
Dimps' custom engine for Dragon Ball Xenoverse also lacks AF. More so on PS4 than XBO. PC version has no AF setting.
Also: I'm Pretty sure Strider doesn't run on UE3.
Destiny doesn't use 16x AF either AFIRemember.
None of the Halo games on XBO can manage 1080p60 and they dont' even have 16xAF
Dead or Alive 5 also , no AF to be seen
Metal Gear Solid 5 also has weak AF
Grand Theft Auto 5 has nonexistent AF on PS4/XBO as well
Also disappointing they apparently didn't even consider RDRAM.
That would be unbalanced.
Before
New shot in the exact same spot. LOD may have been decreased after all ? Pretty big difference.
I'd still rather have the AFx4, or x8 or what ever they have it at instead of none. Its just a pity if they've had to make the already low detail even lower.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
I'd still rather have the AFx4, or x8 or what ever they have it at instead of none. Its just a pity if they've had to make the already low detail even lower.
The LOD is so nerfed the zombie is gone.
I'll show myself out.
Corrected about Strider, not sure where I saw mentioned UE3 for it, when it is much more likely that Double Helix would use their HEX engine there.
For the rest, my list is concentrating on trying to find a pattern as specifically relating to the PS4 versions, so when things are otherwise equal, I did not delve into it.
Updated list:
Afaik so far, 4 commercial engines and 1 proprietary are known in games that have had problems on PS4:
- Chrome Engine 6 (Dying Light) [edit] Now Fixed by Patch (1.05 - March 10th 2015)
- Cry engine 3 (Evolve)
- Unreal Engine 3 (Thief, Murdered: Soul Suspect, DmC)
Unsure :
- Unreal Engine 4 (Daylight) / Need an XBO version to confirm, but the PS4 version is very lacking vs PC version in AF
- HEX Engine (Strider definitely has AF issues on PS4, butit is the assumed engine used, but not 100% sure)
- ? Unfinished Swan Engine (was Gamebryo on PS3, not sure if still the case on PS4)
About UE3, it's a bummer that DF didn't do a Tech Analysis or Face off on Sherlock Holmes Crimes and Punishments, as it is a prominent title that uses UE3. If anyone who has the game can pitch in on the quality of AF there, you are more than welcome.
Also, not sure what engine Saints Row 4 uses (it does have some AF problems on PS4), it probably is an in house engine, but I guess it could also be UE or something else.
Engines known to have had decent/ noticeably present AF on PS4:
- IdTech 5 (Wolfenstein TNO, The Evil Within...)
- Frosbite 3 (in house EA engine for DAI, BF4, BF Hardline...)
- Anvil (in house Ubisoft for Assassin's Creed series)
- Disrupt (in house Ubisoft for Watch Dogs)
- Dunia (in house Ubisoft for Far Cry series)
- Lithtech Engine (in house Monolith for Shadow of Mordor)
- Crystal Engine (in house Crystal Dynamic engine for Tomb Raider series)
- No specific problems had been reported (afaik) on the Activision ones (whether COD or Destiny, both using in house engines)
It is to be noted that Alien Isolation also features an in house engine which pushes 16x Anisotropic filtering @ 1080p30 & VSync on PS4 (according to DF/ some very minor fps drops and no tearing throughout thanks to vsync).
xenorevlis
Member
Never said it was frame-rate performance cost.
ItsTheNew
I believe any game made before 1997 is "essentially cave man art."
Man, that game looks stellar if you crop out that ground texture, yeezus.
I know the game is a year or more out, but let's be real, AF isn't going to make it in. I can't wait to play this after work, but man so much texture soup. Is it trilinear striking again?
Napalm_Frank
Member
Looks almost PS3 tier to me :lol.
I never really appreciated good AF until these problems with the PS4. I hope DmC get's fixed. That XV shot is horrible.
HORRORSHØW
Member
yikes. that shit looks a muddy blur.
I know the game is a year or more out, but let's be real, AF isn't going to make it in. I can't wait to play this after work, but man so much texture soup. Is it trilinear striking again?
Grooooooaaaaaaan
Devs, Sony, PLEASE somebody, anybody - make it stop.
KainXVIII
Member
I know the game is a year or more out, but let's be real, AF isn't going to make it in. I can't wait to play this after work, but man so much texture soup. Is it trilinear striking again?
Please bring xbox one equivalent screenshot from this game before we blame Sony! =)
New shot in the exact same spot. LOD may have been decreased after all ? Pretty big difference.
I'd still rather have the AFx4, or x8 or what ever they have it at instead of none. Its just a pity if they've had to make the already low detail even lower.
Yeah, I could tell with the asphalt that it was just the position of the camera throwing the image off. Disappointing the LOD was decreased, but people want their AF, so something's gotta give.
I don't see him blaming Sony in any way.
KainXVIII
Member
I don't say him, but we are (also see 140.85 post) =)
I'll admit that it's too early to know what's to blame in the case of FFXV's AF.
But it is yet another example added to a growing list of PS4 games bizarrely missing the feature, so inevitably I'm hoping for some sort of clarification from the platform maker. This problem has persisted long after that ICE comment on the subject.
the xbones is the same but that doesn't make it ok.
Doesn't make the shit AF (of a pre-release game) okay, but it also makes it irrelevant to what the thread is ostensibly about.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=156287329&postcount=2319
Some screens from the XBO version
No shots that would be good to judge AF though i think. I only see the once cave shot that shows a lot of ground.
We'll just have to wait I guess :/
what ? no it doesnt at all. this isnt a xbone vs ps4 thread.
it is a why is af missing on the ps4.
PS4 should be able to afford AF in these games.
The thread is built on the various DF face-offs showing AF missing in PS4 versions of games when it's present in the XBO version.
Posting one shot of a pre-release game with bad AF isn't more evidence of that problem without an XBO shot for comparison, and if it's bad in both than it's merely evidence of the continued trend of console games having low AF in general.
The thread you made is specifically titled "PS4's AF issue" which to an informed person would imply the former issue, where PS4 is missing when it's present on other platforms.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I know the game is a year or more out, but let's be real, AF isn't going to make it in. I can't wait to play this after work, but man so much texture soup. Is it trilinear striking again?
Yikes, fix that shit Square.
the reason why we are using the DF images in comparison is because it shows when AF is clearly missing. if both versions don't have that doesn't mean it is ok. it just means both are bad.
I didn't state otherwise. It's a separate issue though.
R10Neymarfan
Member
Still no sense. With the SoC and GPU PS4 has 16x AF should be now problem at all.
I think only pros like DF could get people to talk, sadly.
The devs dont even acknowledge the issue so they don't talk about it obviously.
Should ask ninja theory then square.
Added AF was a problem with some of Dying Light's grass LOD. Devs might want less pop-in or, at least, popping in at a farther distance to the player. PS4 needs more bandwidth it seems.
So why isn't that a AF thread for XB1 because it also has cases of poor AF.
Dictator93
Member
Does anyone have any pictures of the ground texturing in a field on xb1 for that game? I havent seen any yet.
Are you serious with that comment? You can't really believe that right?
Reallink
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