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NextGen Wheels peripherals PS4 and Xbox One Thread: NeoGaf Wheel Club Updates in OP
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Deleted member 752119
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I've got a Thrustmaster T300RS coming from Amazon tomorrow and the corresponding stand from Wheel Stand Pro on Wednesday. Looking forward to trying it out with Driveclub. I've never owned a wheel before.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Said it a billion times already but one more won't hurt, so:
THIS.
No FFB support, it's useless imo.
But make up your own opinion, just go back a few pages when the discussion was going on and quite in-depth too.
soundscream
Member
V1 had a bunch of problems. There are some YouTube videos showing the revisions they had to make on later batches of the wheel to fix the issues, before they discontinued it. I think they had a serious quality control issue after they released the GT2 wheel through the V1 clubsport. But in general their products are usually very good.
At the risk of instantly making mine catch fire, I've got to say my GT2 has worked flawlessly for the past four years. Ditto my Clubsport pedals. The set was a big investment at the time but worth every penny.
I've never heard of it, what's it do?
In all seriousness, this device works perfect if you just want to play with your buddies in Horizon 2, Forza 5, or Driveclub and not spend 100s/1000s to upgrade your current hardware. If you are looking for a competitive solution, as others have said you might find not having full FFB to be lacking. There is different rumbles for all effects that you would get with the gamepad, and you can manually set your center spring strength to give weight to the wheel.
With that said, I have plenty of top 100/500 times in most leaderboards on Forza 5 with this kind of setup. Though, you will have to be the judge if it will be enough for you.
Thanks for pointing this out, I ended up buying it after seeing your mention. Forza just hasn't been the same without a wheel.
Do these need firmware updates or should I be good to go out of the box?
This will show you how/if you need new firmware. Congrats, looks like a good deal!
http://ts.thrustmaster.com/eng/index.php?pg=view_files&gid=12&fid=83&pid=366&cid=15
a wheel with no FFB is still going to work better than a controller...period...
I'm willing to give up FFB to make my T500 work on the Xbone...would you recommend that controller max thing as a legit option?
psn
Member
FFB is working according to users:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4wpEGLMp0s
At around 30 seconds.
soundscream
Member
Beaten^
So I caved and ordered a T300RS. Couldn't justify the cost of the ClubSport especially given the recent price hike. Plus their spotty history with quality control spooked me. The T300RS is basically guaranteed to work with any racing game on my current gaming platform and includes on the easy nav buttons on the wheel including Share, Options, PS, D-Pad etc
The pedals look shit but there's some cheap brake mods around that can make a big difference. I could get an adapter for the G25 pedals but I'm probably better off parting with the G25 and putting the cash towards some T3PA Pro's. I'll see how we go with the cheapy pedals and mods first.
Would he ever!
So much misinformation out there. No wonder people are confused.
The pedals look shit but there's some cheap brake mods around that can make a big difference. I could get an adapter for the G25 pedals but I'm probably better off parting with the G25 and putting the cash towards some T3PA Pro's. I'll see how we go with the cheapy pedals and mods first.
Would he ever!
So much misinformation out there. No wonder people are confused.
Just quickly (and a sidenote), did any more happen with the FFB from Outrun C2C on PC? I haven't checked up on it in a while.
soundscream
Member
Haha that's one of the mods I was considering
I'm also going to check out the option of a conical rubber mod. Depends on clearances behind the pedal case etc but considering installing something like this:
Will definitely be there on launch day if the G27 is supported.
The Logitech logo on the PCars homepage gives me hope.
I think if you hit some people over the head with a baseball bat they'd think it was FFB...
Scaramanger
Member
Help! I just bought a TH8A to go with my T300.
Works fine USB connected to the PC but it won't work connected to the wheel. When I have it connected to the T300 the wheel isn't even recognised by the PC. Any ideas?!
Works fine USB connected to the PC but it won't work connected to the wheel. When I have it connected to the T300 the wheel isn't even recognised by the PC. Any ideas?!
I do recommend it for your situation, but know that you will be treated like an outcast non-conformist sympathizer..
I have always tried to be honest about what you get and don't get with this setup, alas, the masses will always fight against alternatives to the status quo I suppose. Oh well.
It can't be helped amar. It's a result of NeoGaf simply being too big of a forum, and consequently there are a LOT of people here who don't get a chance to educate themselves on what's really going on with the state of these devices that supposedly deliver so called "FFB".
NeoGaf has over 2 million members and there are certainly over 100,000 members reading and participating in this thread. Because the thread is so active and large, there will inevetively be folks coming in posting about these wheel dongles while being completely oblivious to the facts.
Perhaps the OP should edit the first post with a statement in all caps that reads.....
"ATTENTION: THE ADAPTERS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN FLOATING AROUND CLAIMING TO ALLOW FFB WHEELS TO WORK ON CONSOLES DO NOT.....I REPEAT....DO ****NOT*** DELIVER TRUE FORCE FEEDBACK TO YOUR STEERING WHEEL!!!!! IT IS A RUMBLE SIGNAL *****ONLY****"
....then perhaps they will all be up to date.
No. But Howard is posting at BYOAC again and said basically in a nutshell that despite some minor health problems he plans to pick up the project again sometime this summer. Fingers crossed.
Is there any lag that you experience? I don't mind being looked at as an outcast lol, I'm far from hardcore enough the care. Rumble is more than enough for me to enjoy Fozza over using a controller..I just can't justify the cost of another wheel (already own a T500 and a DFGT)...I can enjoy real FFB on PCARS and eventually GT7 on the PS4...
Have you updated both devices' firmware?
There's not really any noticable lag imo(look at my input in my vids to the in-game, specifically when shifting as i think that is the best example of how little lag there is, they are pretty synced), maybe 5-10ms actual lag? I say "not really" because I think the biggest thing you will notice is since the game thinks you are using a gamepad, there will be filters put onto the steering by design. Specifically in Forza 5/Horizon 2, these filters keep the gamepad users from turning too sharply and going beyond the threshold of friction on the tires to the road surface, even with simulation steering assist, so there is that to consider.
It takes a bit to get use to, but once you get comfortable, the setup can be quite competitive. I have a few multiplayer videos on my channel from Forza 5 and Horizon 2 as well as a decent little hotlapping session at Road Atlanta in which I get loose a couple times and make some decent corrections. I also didn't know much about heel/toe when I did these vids, so I have gotten a bit better since, hehe.
If you are still unsure of anything, just ask(you can pm me as I think they are annoyed with us at this point), or you can hit up the official forum as we are quite a helpful bunch(fyi, i'm a volunteer mod over there, please don't burn me at the stake).
All in all, does it beat an officially supported FFB wheel?!
HELL NO, but it still can be damn fun anyway
Funny, I had asked for info to be added to the OP on these kinds of adapters over 6 months ago.
But the request was ignored and have since been told by most of the "community" to pretty much gtfo, go figure..
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Period? Lol.
I wouldn't spend that much cash and go through that frankenstein hackjob setup to use a crappy no FFB wheel with often horrible deadzones and finicky controls just to play pretend-driving, I'd simply not play the games at all. To each is own I guess, but it's hardly something where you can shut me off saying "period!", nope, it's not at all a verified fact but just your preference and a highly subjective opinion. Those (Forza/PCars/etc) sims/sim-like are also games where wheel support is specifically catering to proper FFB wheels, they ain't something like Outrun Online or Daytona XBLA where you can make do with just rumble support because of how the ports were coded (and even then they're still disappointing but at least being pure arcade racers they re still a good deal more fun with a rumbling wheel than using a controller imo).
No, I'd just save the money buy a cheap backup wheel or wait for one to come around... even something like the 'ole Fisher Price-like X360 MS wheel (which I've owned so I know what I'm talking about) at $99 would be infinitely more satisfying to use than a T500+Chronusmax or similar combo any day of the week. It's a fuckin' waste of money, honestly we should help educate potential buyers on what they'd REALLY be buying and not let CM&Co's borderline scum advertising and viral marketer fly around here because they just pry on the confused consumers whom have had to rely on the incomplete informations that are out there online... it's unfortunate and a situation arose "thanks" to the unwillingness of the platform holders to be straightforward and open about the whole "legacy wheels/FFB licensing" ordeal but gaffers should know better than recommend this setup nontheless, imo.
That's not FFB.
Just a poor rumble effect.
I'm trying mate, I'm trying...
Yes, I would say period...assuming the wheel functions as it should in regards to control input, then yes, a wheel with no FFB is still going to be better than a controller...there are no if, ands, or buts about that IMO...
Now, crazy dead zones, or controls that don't work, is a different story...but if the inputs from the wheel function, its infinitly better than a controller..
Are you in some way implying that a wheel with FFB is somehow not "pretend driving?" Because it still is...even real FFB doesn't give you shit compared to the real world feedback you get from a car and the road you're on...
There is nothing I've experienced in any game from FFB with either the DFGT or the T500 that would lead me to believe that a controller would ever be as close to as good, even if the wheel didn't rumble at all...
As I said, I'm not interested in owning a third wheel
Come on, dude. A persecution complex with added hyperbole is not a good look.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Are Polyphony still shacked up with Thrustmaster for GT PS4's new wheel?
If no Logitech support is forthcoming, I'll hold steady and wait to see what they're cooking up before splurging out on a new rig, didn't Kaz say he wanted FFB pedals?
If no Logitech support is forthcoming, I'll hold steady and wait to see what they're cooking up before splurging out on a new rig, didn't Kaz say he wanted FFB pedals?
soundscream
Member
Haha that's one of the mods I was considering
I'm also going to check out the option of a conical rubber mod. Depends on clearances behind the pedal case etc but considering installing something like this:
I was shocked how much the conical mod that came with the T3pa pedals improved my braking. If the pedals were all metal they would give my Fanatec clubsports a run for their money.
I'm here on my own accord, aside from what most of you have assumed. I don't need to look like anything in particular, as I'm not trying to sell anything, and my only motive is to help others get their legacy equipment working on current gen hardware. I'm sorry more of you can't appreciate that.
zephervack
Member
Been out of the loop for a while, wondering if anyone can help me.
What are my options for a sub $300 wheel that works on Ps4/Xbox One and PC?
Last gen I had the Driving Force GT which was awesome for PC and PS3, and I also had the shitty but serviceable Xbox 360 FFB steering wheel which carried me through Forza Motorsport/Horizon and PGR 3/4.
Is there a combo like that this gen that can be had for less than $300 or should I just give up on the hobby, whats the cheapest option out there?
Im still happy with my DFGT, but I hate playing Drive Club with the DS4 and im also starting to get the itch to get Horizon 2 on Xbone.
What are my options for a sub $300 wheel that works on Ps4/Xbox One and PC?
Last gen I had the Driving Force GT which was awesome for PC and PS3, and I also had the shitty but serviceable Xbox 360 FFB steering wheel which carried me through Forza Motorsport/Horizon and PGR 3/4.
Is there a combo like that this gen that can be had for less than $300 or should I just give up on the hobby, whats the cheapest option out there?
Im still happy with my DFGT, but I hate playing Drive Club with the DS4 and im also starting to get the itch to get Horizon 2 on Xbone.
soundscream
Member
Doesnt exist.
You can find a TX for $299 but xb1 only
T300 for ps4 is around $400 but will drop down soon, like the TX did after a year.
The only cross platform option will take you north of $1000 when you get everything needed to make it work.
zephervack
Member
Man, thats discouraging.
How is the support for the T300 on PC, specially with older games?
I guess I have to give up the dream of ever playing Forza games with a wheel, no way Im paying $299 for that
Man, thats discouraging.
How is the support for the T300 on PC, specially with older games?
I guess I have to give up the dream of ever playing Forza games with a wheel, no way Im paying $299 for that
I guess I could suggest an alternative to all these listed above, but the $1000+ option just sounds so good.
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Deleted member 752119
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I got my T300rs and the Wheel Stand Pro for it the other day. Have got a few hours in with it and Driveclub. I'm loving it! It's my first wheel, so I can't compare it to others. But I find it super responsive, and the force feedback is great. Looking forward to wrapping up some work and getting home to play more.
TheNamelessOne
Member
I'm interested in buying a wheel and try to get into some sim racing. From what I can gather, the G27 seems to be the best entry level wheel, right? Is it still smart to buy one considering how old it is, or should I wait for another wheel to release?
It all depends on what platform you are using and which games.
Also money wise....
TheNamelessOne
Member
I'm gonna play on PC, and don't really want to shell out another 100 on a Thurstmaster when I'm not certain how much I will be playing.
soundscream
Member
Yeah if you're only going to do PC the G27 gives you the most bang for your buck. There are rumors of a new Logitech wheel but it will most likely be more expensive.
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