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RowdyReverb

RowdyReverb

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Why do so many seem dismayed/surprised at the marketing spin for resolution? It's pretty much a direct response to the big fuss that gaming forums have made about the XB1's resolution over the past couple years. It's at the point where publishers have to do something to make the resolution sound good to save face and avoid having the discussion about the game revolve around its rendering capabilities.

I'm not arguing that it's ok to call it "Dynamic 1080p" when the game rarely, if ever, achieves full 1080p (though, I'm not sure what else to call their resolution strategy), but threads like this are contributing to the atmosphere that encourages the trend of releasing misleading resolution specs or framerate sacrifices in the name of 1080p will become more prevalent.
So, discuss the resolution inadequacies to your heart's content, but don't be surprised and upset when we see more 1080PR and guarding of technical details on games in the future.
 
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Wereroku

Member
Noobcraft said:
The narrative that big bad Micro$oft is trying to deceive consumers is so much more fun than entertaining the idea that CDPR added the feature because they wanted to push the hardware more when available.
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You mean they wanted to push the hardware while it is on the start screen? Cause I know that's a sign of using the system to it's full extent. Hell they should have gone with a native 4k start screen. The problem is in this case Dynamic 1080p is literally nothing but marketing bullshit.
 
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Noobcraft

Member
Wereroku said:
You mean they wanted to push the hardware while it is on the start screen? Cause I know that's a sign of using the system to it's full extent. Hell they should have gone with a native 4k start screen. The problem is in this case Dynamic 1080p is literally nothing but marketing bullshit.
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Except for the part where the resolution changes during gameplay like DF noted (inside buildings for example).
 
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GoonerTRON

Banned
RowdyReverb said:
Why do so many seem dismayed/surprised at the marketing spin for resolution? It's pretty much a direct response to the big fuss that gaming forums have made about the XB1's resolution over the past couple years. It's at the point where publishers have to do something to make the resolution sound good to save face and avoid having the discussion about the game revolve around its rendering capabilities.

I'm not arguing that it's ok to call it "Dynamic 1080p" when the game rarely, if ever, achieves full 1080p (though, I'm not sure what else to call their resolution strategy), but threads like this are contributing to the atmosphere that encourages the trend of releasing misleading resolution specs or framerate sacrifices in the name of 1080p will become more prevalent.
So, discuss the resolution inadequacies to your heart's content, but don't be surprised and upset when we see more 1080PR and guarding of technical details on games in the future.
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Only people that seem to complain about 900p are people without xboxes, then they pretend it is the bluriest image they have every seen.
 
pixelation

pixelation

Member
RowdyReverb said:
Why do so many seem dismayed/surprised at the marketing spin for resolution? It's pretty much a direct response to the big fuss that gaming forums have made about the XB1's resolution over the past couple years. It's at the point where publishers have to do something to make the resolution sound good to save face and avoid having the discussion about the game revolve around its rendering capabilities.

I'm not arguing that it's ok to call it "Dynamic 1080p" when the game rarely, if ever, achieves full 1080p (though, I'm not sure what else to call their resolution strategy), but threads like this are contributing to the atmosphere that encourages the trend of releasing misleading resolution specs or framerate sacrifices in the name of 1080p will become more prevalent.
So, discuss the resolution inadequacies to your heart's content, but don't be surprised and upset when we see more 1080PR and guarding of technical details on games in the future.
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What if they had just stayed silent and released the best performing games they possibly could at whatever resolution fit best?, 720p or 900p or whatever?, why allow themselves to get caught up in all of the internet talk?, just focus on delivering the best performing game that you possibly can. Stuff like this just make all of the resolution talk worse for them, like many have said... had it been advertised as a 720p or 900p game no one would've said anything because that is expected on the XBO. But to come out and pimp out this dynamic resolution thing only to have it fall flat on its face...
 
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cakely

Member
GoonerTRON said:
Only people that seem to complain about 900p are people without xboxes, then they pretend it is the bluriest image they have every seen.
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The only people that ever over-generalize, are ... well, they're everyone, just everyone.

(I own an Xbox One, and I prefer native 1080p resolution over a lesser, non-native resolution)
 
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L4nnist3r

Member
pixelation said:
What if they had just stayed silent and released the best performing games they possibly could at whatever resolution fit best?, 720p or 900p or whatever?, why allow themselves to get caught up in all of the internet talk?, just focus on delivering the best performing game that you possibly can. Stuff like this just make all of the resolution talk worse for them, like many have said... had it been advertised as a 720p or 900p game no one would've said anything because that is expected on the XBO. But to come out and pimp out this dynamic resolution thing only to have it fall flat on its face...
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I don't think it will have any repercussion though, beside some rants on the internet.
 
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BleedOrange

Banned
I can almost guarantee the reality of the situation is benign and not insidious at all, but hey, it makes for some really easy one liners for sure.

I honestly feel for devs these days. Make every attempt to improve the technical quality of your game and if it doesn't work out perfectly day one of production implementation and get bitched out and accused of collusion.
 
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Juanfp

Member
Noobcraft said:
The narrative that big bad Micro$oft is trying to deceive consumers is so much more fun than entertaining the idea that CDPR added the feature because they wanted to push the hardware more when available.
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Yeah, making false accusation must be treated like false insider. There are a lot of that here and each day is more common.
 
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L4nnist3r

Member
BleedOrange said:
I can almost guarantee the reality of the situation is benign and not insidious at all, but hey, it makes for some really easy one liners for sure.

I honestly feel for devs these days. Make every attempt to improve the technical quality of your game and if it doesn't work out perfectly day one of production implementation and get bitched out and accused of collusion.
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That's what console wars do, It brings out the worst on people.
 
RowdyReverb

RowdyReverb

Member
pixelation said:
What if they had just stayed silent and released the best performing games they possibly could at whatever resolution fit best?, 720p or 900p or whatever?, why allow themselves to get caught up in all of the internet talk?, just focus on delivering the best performing game that you possibly can. Stuff like this just make all of the resolution talk worse for them, like many have said... had it been advertised as a 720p or 900p game no one would've said anything because that is expected on the XBO. But to come out and pimp out this dynamic resolution thing only to have it fall flat on its face...
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Because as was demonstrated after the Xbox One's initial announcement and subsequent loss of potential market share, the voice of the internet can have a profound impact on the reception and success of a product. Marketers take this stuff seriously in an age where Internet buzz can make or break you.

Also, I would disagree that it fell flat on its face. I believe the dynamic 1080p statement (and similar marketing terms) have succeeded in muddying the waters in these discussions, which is really the end goal. They want to kill this narrative, presumably so they can refocus discussions on other, more marketable aspects of the game.
 
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d9b

Banned
Noobcraft said:
The narrative that big bad Micro$oft is trying to deceive consumers is so much more fun than entertaining the idea that CDPR added the feature because they wanted to push the hardware more when available.
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And now it's broken. Fix it CDPR!
 
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Ricky Ricardo

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GoonerTRON said:
Only people that seem to complain about 900p are people without xboxes, then they pretend it is the bluriest image they have every seen.
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I buy my multiplats on PC because I have a beefy rig that is far more capable than the 8th gen twins and I have no desire to pay MS or Sony to use my own internet connection.

Prior to actually playing a 900p game (Sunset Overdrive), the amount of nonsense I read about 900p actually made me think that it was some terrible, horrible, god-awful blurfest and when I finally played SSOD, I was almost disappointed at how good the game looked LOL.

It's not 1080p sharp, but then 1080p isn't 1440p or 4K sharp either, which is what PC gaming is moving on to ... besides, the amount of shock and faux "outrage" whenever these things hits is hilarious because it's like people forget every time that the XB1's sweet spot is 900p.

CDPR said dynamic resolution ranging from 900p to 1080p. 1080p menus still count and the dynamic resolution actually marches above 900p in some places, we don't know how much. All in all, the xbox version is still a good deal, providing CDPR can clean up some performance hick-ups.
 
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Combichristoffersen

Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I haven't really followed the tech debates about this game (but plan to pick it up), but how does the PS4 version run in comparison and does the day 1 patch affect the PS4 version in any way?
 
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Jomjom

Banned
FATALITY said:
yep.
900p looks good. at least for me. hell most of people are coming from crappy ps360 resolution and framerate.
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It kills it for me since I'll be playing all my games on my new home theater with a 120' screen. Sitting at about 7-8 feet away. I think probably even the Podcast Unlocked guys would likely agree that you can tell a difference at that point.
 
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Jomjom

Banned
L4nnist3r said:
At that size 1080p would not be great either, better than 900p though.
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Yeah totally agree. I can't afford the kind of PC to run at 4k though. My projector is a 1080p native one though.

Gah on a separate note though I can't wait to play all my backlog on this giant screen though!
 
Cyborg

Cyborg

Member
The only scenes we've found to run at a full 1080p are the in-engine rendered title screen, and the video cut-scenes.
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This is just ridiculous, how can people defend this kind of bullshit.
 
Journey

Journey

Banned
pixelation said:
Is it really stupid though?, they were making a big fuzz out of the dynamic resolution and i find it quite laughable that it only comes in effect in menus... IN FREAKING MENUS.
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Link? I don't remember any fuzz about it. This topic is ridiculous, should we install the patch or not? I'm still confused because all I see is talk about the dynamic resolution :p
 
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SURGEdude

Member
Ricky Ricardo said:
I buy my multiplats on PC because I have a beefy rig that is far more capable than the 8th gen twins and I have no desire to pay MS or Sony to use my own internet connection.

Prior to actually playing a 900p game (Sunset Overdrive), the amount of nonsense I read about 900p actually made me think that it was some terrible, horrible, god-awful blurfest and when I finally played SSOD, I was almost disappointed at how good the game looked LOL.

It's not 1080p sharp, but then 1080p isn't 1440p or 4K sharp either, which is what PC gaming is moving on to ... besides, the amount of shock and faux "outrage" whenever these things hits is hilarious because it's like people forget every time that the XB1's sweet spot is 900p.

CDPR said dynamic resolution ranging from 900p to 1080p. 1080p menus still count and the dynamic resolution actually marches above 900p in some places, we don't know how much. All in all, the xbox version is still a good deal, providing CDPR can clean up some performance hick-ups.
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To be fair people complaining about the resolution of exclusives have little ground to stand on unless they have a ton of background developing for that system. However people complaining about what is looking to be possibly deceptive talk of dynamic resolution on a multiplat are quite likely just wanting the best version since a significant number of gaffers have the hardware to choose between versions.

I have nothing against 900P if that's what the hardware is able to produce. Just wish they wouldn't try and make it seem like something it isn't. Though the fact that it doesn't even adjust staring at the sky makes me hope this is just a bug not an intentional PR move to cause confusion.
 
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Pikma

Banned
I thought this thread was going to be about people criticizing the useless/stupid/inefficient patching practices evidenced by the OP but... I see it's another resolution pissing contest
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presagetogood

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Cyborg said:
This is just ridiculous, how can people defend this kind of bullshit.
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because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?

simple, they choose to ignore common rationality and what other people have to say in order to continue with the dominating narrative and tone of discussion, because they feel it's necessary to topple the giant MS doomdaddy.
 
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Stanng243

Member
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?

simple, they choose to ignore common rationality and what other people have to say in order to continue with the dominating narrative and tone of discussion, because they feel it's necessary to topple the giant MS doomdaddy.
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Common rationality is that people want to make sure they're getting the best value for their dollar. So if the same product costs the same on 2 different platforms, it's helpful to know the differences. Also, people are more upset about it being called 1080p dynamic resolution when gameplay never seems to hit 1080p.
 
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aspiegamer

Member
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
As for the bolded, this is a tech thread. Standard GAF policy; Tech threads are objective affairs, not about your feels. I offer this as advise to a Junior Member from someone who is only one year removed from Junior Member status. In fact I believe there's already a downgrade ranting thread, plus the OT for subjective observations.
 
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Jomjom

Banned
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?

simple, they choose to ignore common rationality and what other people have to say in order to continue with the dominating narrative and tone of discussion, because they feel it's necessary to topple the giant MS doomdaddy.
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Then just say it's 900p. If no one but forum dwellers care, then there's no need to list it as 1080p.

Where does this stop? Some games have the UI in 1080p for more clear text. I hope no developer starts calling the game 1080p because of that now.
 
Cyborg

Cyborg

Member
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?

simple, they choose to ignore common rationality and what other people have to say in order to continue with the dominating narrative and tone of discussion, because they feel it's necessary to topple the giant MS doomdaddy.
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Junior...I dont read the fcking whole thread, I dont care what other have posted already. The fact that MS is marketing this game as 1080p is just ridicilous.
And 900p vs 1080p is a big deal to me......
 
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hawk2025

Member
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?

simple, they choose to ignore common rationality and what other people have to say in order to continue with the dominating narrative and tone of discussion, because they feel it's necessary to topple the giant MS doomdaddy.
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I don't understand how the second bolded phrase can follow the first.
 
Chobel

Chobel

Member
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?

simple, they choose to ignore common rationality and what other people have to say in order to continue with the dominating narrative and tone of discussion, because they feel it's necessary to topple the giant MS doomdaddy.
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Oh fuck off.
 
Portugeezer

Portugeezer

Member
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?

simple, they choose to ignore common rationality and what other people have to say in order to continue with the dominating narrative and tone of discussion, because they feel it's necessary to topple the giant MS doomdaddy.
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Relax yourself. I don't even think he is even talking about the fact that it's 900p because people get it by now, XB1 is not as powerful as PS4. He is referring to CDPR/MS saying it has dynamic scaling when (according to digital foundry) it barely ever is 1080p during gameplay (if at all).

But I find it funny how you are so adamant there is no difference then tell us about the blurriness of sub-1080p on a 1080p display. 900p to 1080p is non-essential, then 720p to 900p is non-essential, soon you might as well have 480p games because that looks like 720, which looks like 900, which is pretty much the same as 1080.

edit: lol who will combo break this?
 
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Wavebossa

Member
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?
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This post... is unreal

EDIT: After experiencing 900P and 1080P in person, I can say with conviction that 4K is just a slight blur effect and is not really any different from 480P. If you disagree with me you simply do not understand/are ignoring my feelings.
 
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Apoleptica

Banned
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?

simple, they choose to ignore common rationality and what other people have to say in order to continue with the dominating narrative and tone of discussion, because they feel it's necessary to topple the giant MS doomdaddy.
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I actually agree with this for the most part. From my experience I honestly can't tell the difference between 1080p and 900p that's upscaled to 1080p. I would literally need two screens side by side in order to tell you which is which. Based on this I would much prefer a game to be 900p with a stable framerate without stutter than a game at a native 1080p that lags, and I believe this is the best path for developers to take concerning the X1. There is no more need to pretend that multi platform games can have the same fidelity on both ps4 and X1, we know the specs for both consoles and it just makes sense that if you want the performance to be similar on both that the resolution needs to be toned down on the Xbox.
 
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score01

Member
Why did CDPR stop at 1080p? Why didn't they just go the whole hog and make the xbox one version dynamic 4k resulolution? I'm sure there is enough juice in there to run the movies and title screens with that amount of pixels.
 
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L4nnist3r

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Apoleptica said:
I actually agree with this for the most part. From my experience I honestly can't tell the difference between 1080p and 900p that's upscaled to 1080p. I would literally need two screens side by side in order to tell you which is which. Based on this I would much prefer a game to be 900p with a stable framerate without stutter than a game at a native 1080p that lags, and I believe this is the best path for developers to take concerning the X1. There is no more need to pretend that multi platform games can have the same fidelity on both ps4 and X1, we know the specs for both consoles and it just makes sense that if you want the performance to be similar on both that the resolution needs to be toned down on the Xbox.
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Agree with this, XBO should concentrate on delivering 900p games with stable frame rates, there is nothing left to hide or twist, we all know the console constraints. As for the PS4 version I'm not sure if the 1080p is doing any good either as reports suggest it also suffer from frame rate problems.
 
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Three

Member
score01 said:
Why did CDPR stop at 1080p? Why didn't they just go the whole hog and make the xbox one version dynamic 4k resulolution? I'm sure there is enough juice in there to run the movies and title screens with that amount of pixels.
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People are struggling to fit a 1080p framebuffer on XB1 already. You tried fitting a 4k framebuffer in just 32MB? Even in a simplified menu that would be too large. Don't believe what major nelson and polygon told you.
 
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cakely

Member
presagetogood said:
because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about].
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Leaping in the fray with six posts blazing, it's presagetogood!
 
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watership

Member
presagetogood said:
because the difference between 900p and 1080 is a non-essential trait to many who have experienced them in person. your post is so mindless that it literally repeats the same exact message that has been repeated thousands and thousands of times in the corridors of this board, and adds absolutely nothing of substance to the argument, to bear out the motivation behind your point of view. because there is nothing there, the difference between 900p and 1080p is just about a bunch of petulant teens with nothing better to do [other than the slight blur effect that if you really cared about, you would just buy the PS4 and build a bridge somebody actually cared about]. how can people not understand this or ignore that someone else may have different feelings from them?

simple, they choose to ignore common rationality and what other people have to say in order to continue with the dominating narrative and tone of discussion, because they feel it's necessary to topple the giant MS doomdaddy.
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This response made people swear at you and then call you junior. I like this post.
 
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